Have you ever called someone down with J high and thought/hoped you were good? (1 Viewer)

[DontKnowWhen]

How about a who’s folded KK before preflop and was right

Ooh! Ooh! I can play this one - I've folded kings three times that I remember in low stakes NLHE cash games, and each time I was shown aces.

Sadly a game I can’t seem to learn how to play. Been busted all 3 times I’ve been shown.

 

[surfik]

I called pot bet on the river holding Q high...
Why?
1. I saw Tom Dwan calling 9 high and wanted to be hero
2.I had a perfect read on the player and I was right..
3.My call was a fraction of the before mentioned pot in HC

 

[shorticus]

I read the title and want to respond.

My answer is “no, that’s stupid.”

If you won, you were probably cheating.

 

[dinosaur]

Playing devil's advocate as I don't think she cheated:

1. If there is a cheating infrastructure in place (anal beads or by whatever means) why use this opportunity which will surely create suspicion?

2. Likewise, why choose this opportunity with such thin value. She was only 54% to win on the turn. G could easily have won on the river.

1. I would posit that the "cheating infrastructure" could be rudimentary. Like - "youre ahead/behind". I think someone has access to the technology behind reading the cards, but maybe getting that information to the player is more difficult. And a game like this, where there is so much actual money to be made, looks like a prime target for cheats.

2. Because I think this type of cheat is probably more rampant than believed. And maybe she got sloppy. Everyone can agree that she could easily be a bad poker player, why couldnt she be a bad cheat? I mean it doesnt necessarily have to the be first time that shes cheated. Do I know who she is, no. So I dont know her rep or anything. Just basing it off my pessimistic view of what happens around a lot of money. As far as the 54% - I dont think she necessarily has the percentage odds given to her if she did cheat. Or maybe shes just a bad player. I dont really know, but I say cheat. A bet/raise/reraise allin/call - with J4? Iono man, seems fishy.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Ooh, ooh, I can play the folding KK game! I once folded xx on a board once in a Limit Omaha hi-lo WSOP Circuit Event on the river to one more bet. Flop and turn both went check, check, check. I bet the river, got raised, I 3-bet, villain 4-bet, I folded face up and said, "nice hand".

And this is why I'm a terrible limit player. I could never fold top boat to one big bet.

 

[ekricket]

And this is why I'm a terrible limit player. I could never fold top boat to one big bet.

I don’t think this makes you a cheat at all, but from some of the above comments your play would be suspect it seems.

Nobody would four bet that unless they had top boat beat. Ever.

 

[RainmanTrail]

I don’t think this makes you a cheat at all, but from some of the above comments your play would be suspect it seems.

Nobody would four bet that unless they had top boat beat. Ever.

Plenty of people would four bet that river with smaller full houses. Particularly JJ. But not this player. I knew he'd wouldn't. Which is why I folded my hand.

 

[Mr Winberg]

Yes, of course! If I think they just have ace high then I'm calling with J4 everyday of the week and twice on Sundays!

 

[invas1on]

Not on that board

 

[Frogzilla]

Yes but only on things like AKQ33 board (where Jack hi is effectively an Ace) or AAKK3 or where it’s effectively the King and all the small pairs counterfeited. Don’t remember the actual boards but it has happened at least once maybe more

And where the range contains small trash like BvB

And where the action was checked down to river

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

This is what it looks like to realistically call with J high. Oddly enough, Seidel also had J4 in this hand.

Seidel was obviously cheating...

 

[BPTDirector]

I folded QQ pre flop to Josh at WCB 3 the one time I made it to a meetup.

But, has anyone considered that she went on tilt due to the action, short circuit brain melt made the absolute worst ever call and got lucky? Possible??

 

[Schmendr1ck]

I folded QQ pre flop to Josh at WCB 3 the one time I made it to a meetup.

But, has anyone considered that she went on tilt due to the action, short circuit brain melt made the absolute worst ever call and got lucky? Possible??

A lot of us have considered that. We're just not the loud ones in these threads.

 

[BootySnatcher]

Ooh! Ooh! I can play this one - I've folded kings three times that I remember in low stakes NLHE cash games, and each time I was shown aces.

I only remember doing it once in a tournament.

Early in the SatP main event this past April, I was playing a hand against @BootySnatcher and everybody was still very deep. IIRC he opened UTG, player in MP raised, I 4-bet, and @BootySnatcher 5-bet shoved into both of us. After the other player snap-folded, I tanked for a bit, sighed, and did the same. I showed my kings, and he showed me the aces I knew he had.

Yeah, I remember. You pick that particular time to have some discipline playing poker. WTF!!!

 

[chipmastah]

Like a decade ago during a home cash game buddy(A) called another buddy(B)'s jam on the turn with J high on a rag board with no draw. He tank called and his speech was something like I only got J high but I'm going to call you anyways. Buddy(B) shows AK, river brings a miracle J and buddy(A) scoops the 1000+BB pot ($0.25/$0.50 blinds). Everyone at the table was like WTF just happened lol. Funny thing is Buddy(A) reloads for the same stack as Buddy(B) and later on that night gets his revenge and stacks him. This actually made us implement a 100bb max buy rule as we wanted to keep it as a friendly home game.

 

[grebe]

And this is why I'm a terrible limit player. I could never fold top boat to one big bet.

This would make you a good limit player, btw.

 

[JustinInMN]

I made a call with QJ high in a 3/6 limit game like 12 years ago so the details are kinda fuzzy. Preflop I ended up limping with QJs in position against a couple other opponents. I remember semi bluffing the flop with a 4 flush on an a-hi board and elected to check the turn when checked too when improve. (The "Free Card Play" was all the rage in limit poker in the early to mid aughts .) After the flop bet, I got heads up with villain. By the river I had missed the flush draw, and the villain decided to bet the river. This bet struck me as out of place, and there was an OESD available lower than QJ (like 87 or 98 or something) that also missed, Ax didn't make sense from this player who would raise any Ax pre. Which left me with I can beat a bluff, or villain slowplayed something like a set? I put the chips in and he mucked his hand. He may have had K-hi I suppose, but he didn't show and I stacked the chips.

 

[MeridianFC]

If the question is have you ever made an impossibly stupid call that no rational person would ever make while playing poker, the answer is definitely a resounding yes.