Tourney Deepstack t50,000 Starting Stack Help Needed (1 Viewer)

[justsomedude]

I’m running a t50,000 for my annual BBQ tourney this year and need some starting stack breakdown. Im anticipating 22-26 total entries (including rebuys).

First few blind levels will be:

75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400

So 25s will be needed.

Given this information, what would your ideal starting stack be?

I’ve been considering...

8x 25
13x 100
5x 500
6x 1000
3x 5000
1x 25000

Is this good/bad? Should I avoid the t25k chip in the starting stack? Is another breakdown better? Please let me know!!

 

[rowlin]

No experience with T50k stacks myself, but this might be worth reading:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/deepstack-tournament-advice.27931/#post-519539

 

[RichMahogany]

8/8/2/8/8

I believe that’s what the WSOP uses for the main event

 

[T_Chan]

I would avoid the 25k chip in to start, having half of your chip stack tied up in 1 chip can be troublesome.

 

[Kyle]

Whatever stack the bikini girl gives me is good with me.

 

[CraigT78]

I vote the stacks all in singles - for tipping the bikini girl(s)

 

[rowlin]

Pro tip: Use twos.

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Have you considered eliminating the T25 and the two rounds that need it (75/150 and 150/300)?

IMO it's not a huge difference - you're still really deep for the first 2-3 rounds, and you can always bump the starting stack up to T60K (300 bb if your first round is 100/200).

You could go with 0/10/8/10/7/0 (or 0/10/8/10/9/0 for T60K). Keep the T25s and the T25Ks in the carrier at the beginning, maybe bring the T25Ks out later if you want.

 

[AWenger]

8/8/2/8/8 I believe that’s what the WSOP uses for the main event

Good starting breakdown. With these breakdowns, and with only 2 T500s in the starting stack, I assume the WSOP might introduce more T500s chips to color up the T25s and/or T100s when it's time to color-up. Also, as someone pointed out to me once, the WSOP is managing thousands of starting chip stacks, so they may try to minimize the chips in the starting stack. Going with more T-25s, T-100s or T-500s in the starting stack may work just as well for a game with 2 or 3 tables.

I would avoid the 25k chip in to start, having half of your chip stack tied up in 1 chip can be troublesome.

I'd second this.

 

[AWenger]

First few blind levels will be:

75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400

So 25s will be needed.

I played a deepstacks at the Venetian once where they gave only 4 T25 chips in the starting stacks. It seemed to work ok, especially with a dedicated dealer who could make change, and then the T25s were used for antes soon after. IIRC, the blinds started very similar to your first 4 blind levels above.

 

[nostan]

I would avoid the 25k chip in to start, having half of your chip stack tied up in 1 chip can be troublesome.

Could the same problematic situation arise with using one T25.000 chip in every starting stack in a 60k 9-players tournament? I'm thinking of 10/6/11/4/1 - but this is maybee a bad idea

 

[T_Chan]

Not as bad but still not recommended. The problem is that if you get short stacked, you'll have to make change for that 25k chip. If you game multiple people short at the same table, then you'll be making change very often as money changes hands.

 

[nostan]

Not as bad but still not recommended. The problem is that if you get short stacked, you'll have to make change for that 25k chip. If you game multiple people short at the same table, then you'll be making change very often as money changes hands.

Thanks. Even worse only 6-players game?

Is there any "rule of thumb" of how big the highest denomination should be relative to total tournament amount or stack amount each player?

 

[BGinGA]

Is there any "rule of thumb" of how big the highest denomination should be relative to total tournament amount or stack amount each player?

I try to keep the highest denomination chip equal to one-third or less of the stack total. For example, a single T5000 in a 15K stack (12/12/5/6/1 or 8/8/4/7/1) is 33%, and two T5000s in a 20K stack is 25% (12/12/5/6/2 or 8/8/4/7/2).

Could the same problematic situation arise with using one T25.000 chip in every starting stack in a 60k 9-players tournament? I'm thinking of 10/6/11/4/1

A 60K T100-base stack (10/6/11/4/1) with a lone T25k chip is nearly 42%.... which seems excessive to me, but probably still playable with at least a full table of players and plannng on using T5000 chips for T100/T500 color-ups.

I wouldn't try it six-handed without having additional T5000 chips in the bank to break down a couple of T25Ks if needed.

 

[MaxB]

I’ve been considering...

8x 25
13x 100
5x 500
6x 1000
3x 5000
1x 25000

Is this good/bad?

Too many colors at one time. Six denoms for starting off for me is way too much (3 to 4 is ideal). Do you have enough 500s and 1000s to eliminate the 3 T5ks and remove the T25k all together (cutting the starting stack in half and bumping down to four denominations)?

 

[nostan]

I try to keep the highest denomination chip equal to one-third or less of the stack total. For example, a single T5000 in a 15K stack (12/12/5/6/1 or 8/8/4/7/1) is 33%, and two T5000s in a 20K stack is 25% (12/12/5/6/2 or 8/8/4/7/2).


A 60K T100-base stack (10/6/11/4/1) with a lone T25k chip is nearly 42%.... which seems excessive to me, but probably still playable with at least a full table of players and plannng on using T5000 chips for T100/T500 color-ups.

I wouldn't try it six-handed without having additional T5000 chips in the bank to break down a couple of T25Ks if needed.

Thanks!

For 6-players, would 10/6/11/9 for T60k be playable? And a 50% rebuy/add-on ×1 T25 + 1 T5k?

100/500 color up with?

 

[BGinGA]

For 6-players, would 10/6/11/9 for T60k be playable? And a 50% rebuy/add-on ×1 T25 + 1 T5k?

100/500 color up with?

That should work. Color-up the T100/T500 chips with T5000s, and color-up the T1000s with T25K chips if it gets that far.

 

[nostan]

That should work. Color-up the T100/T500 chips with T5000s, and color-up the T1000s with T25K chips if it gets that far.

And if I introduce BBA, is there too few of any denomination in 10/6/11/9 (6-players tourney)? Maybe 15/9/14/8 is better

 

[BGinGA]

And if I introduce BBA, is there too few of any denomination in 10/6/11/9 (6-players tourney)? Maybe 15/9/14/8 is better

I'd tend to agree with you. For example: with a BBA, the 200/400 level will require 10x T100s to post the blinds and antes -- and with only six players, that's 1/6th of the available chips in play.

Less of an issue when it gets to 2000/4000, since there will be fewer players and more than 66x T1000s in play due to color-ups.

But in either case, you won't need 9x T500s per stack. 15/7/10/9, 15/7/15/8, and/or 15/5/11/9 are probably best.

 

[nostan]

I'd tend to agree with you. For example: with a BBA, the 200/400 level will require 10x T100s to post the blinds and antes -- and with only six players, that's 1/6th of the available chips in play.

Less of an issue when it gets to 2000/4000, since there will be fewer players and more than 66x T1000s in play due to color-ups.

But in either case, you won't need 9x T500s per stack. 15/7/10/9, 15/7/15/8, and/or 15/5/11/9 are probably best.

I'm in the final stage creating a custom set and maybe this is the way to go. Is it really any downsides with T100 > T25?

My requirements:

- 18 players T50,000
- Possibility of 9 full Rebuys/Add-On
- Possibility to use BB
- Rounding up color-up method

15/5/11/9 (or better option?)

T100 - 270pcs

T500 - 90pcs

T1000 - 198pcs

T5000 - 177pcs (Coloring up T100 and T500 gives 162+6+9)

T25,000 - 27pcs (Coloring up T1000 and extra for rounding up and nine Rebuys gives 8+1+18)

Awful breakdown and wont be beautiful racks I know - but just want to know the minimum required

2 barrels each starting stack thow But if 10/6/11/9 is enough with my requirements (BBA) I prefer that I guess...

Also thinking of using T2000...and T10k:

10/10/7/3

T100 - 180pcs
T500 - 180pcs
T2k - 135pcs (rounding up T100)
T10k - 63pcs (rounding up T500)
T50k - 12pcs

I got to sleep...

 

[Mojo1312]

Had to scroll to the top of the thread to double check whether the O.P. was Justsomedude or Nostan.

Ditch the T25 and start the blinds at 100/100 and adjust the 150/300 level downwards to 100/300. (Who in your group is going to fold their SB over a 75 or 200 chip difference playing 300+BB's deep?)

I support the idea of limiting the denoms in the starting stacks to T100 - T5000.

 

[nostan]

I'm in the final stage creating a custom set and maybe this is the way to go. Is it really any downsides with T100 > T25?

My requirements:

- 18 players T50,000
- Possibility of 9 full Rebuys/Add-On
- Possibility to use BB
- Rounding up color-up method

15/5/11/9 (or better option?)

T100 - 270pcs

T500 - 90pcs

T1000 - 198pcs

T5000 - 177pcs (Coloring up T100 and T500 gives 162+6+9)

T25,000 - 27pcs (Coloring up T1000 and extra for rounding up and nine Rebuys gives 8+1+18)

Awful breakdown and wont be beautiful racks I know - but just want to know the minimum required

2 barrels each starting stack thow But if 10/6/11/9 is enough with my requirements (BBA) I prefer that I guess...

Calling @BGinGA and @Mr Winberg

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

If you want to skip the T25, just start with :

100-100
100-200
100-300
200-400
...

For my T100 based tournaments (T30,000 on starting blinds 100-100), I use :
T100 x 10
T500 x 6
T1000 x 11
T5000 x 3

Arya - One T30,000 Starting Stack

• Kid_Eastwood
• Aug 11, 2020

So if you want to make it 50,000, just add 4 extras 5000 to make it 10/6/11/7. 10/8/10/7 also works of course.

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

@nostan said:
I'm in the final stage creating a custom set and maybe this is the way to go. Is it really any downsides with T100 > T25?

My requirements:

- 18 players T50,000
- Possibility of 9 full Rebuys/Add-On
- Possibility to use BB
- Rounding up color-up method

15/5/11/9 (or better option?)

T100 - 270pcs

T500 - 90pcs

T1000 - 198pcs

T5000 - 177pcs (Coloring up T100 and T500 gives 162+6+9)

T25,000 - 27pcs (Coloring up T1000 and extra for rounding up and nine Rebuys gives 8+1+18)

Awful breakdown and wont be beautiful racks I know - but just want to know the minimum required

2 barrels each starting stack thow But if 10/6/11/9 is enough with my requirements (BBA) I prefer that I guess...

I'd go with starting stack as :

10/6/11/7

I'd color-up the T100 and T500 with T5000 (normally T100 shall be colored-up with T1000 but you've already plenty in the starting stack).
I'd color-up the T1000 with T25,000. Your game should not require to color-up the T5000.

So to cover the starting stacks, you'll need :
T100 x 180
T500 x 108
T1000 x 198
T5000 x 126

For the color-up of T100 and T500, there will be 72,000 in value to color-up. This means 14.5 chips of 5000, Since you'll need the "round up" method, in worst case, you'll need
22 chips of 5000 if I'm not wrong (I multiply the actual number of chips strictly required and I multiply by 1,5).

There'll be 198,000 in T1000 to color-up. So applying the same reasonning as above, you'll need 12 chips of T25,000 to cover the worst case scenario.

For the rebuy, I'd issue the rebuys as T25,000 x 1 + T5000 x 5. You want to cover 9 rebuys, so it makes 9 more T25,000 and 45 more T5,000.

So in total you have :
T100 x 180
T500 x 108
T1000 x 198
T5000 x 193
T25,000 x 21

And from there, I'd round-up for even barrels or/and few spares.

 

[nostan]

Thank you for a detailed explanation @Kid_Eastwood helps a lot.


Do you run theese tournaments with BBA?

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

Thank you for a detailed explanation @Kid_Eastwood helps a lot.


Do you run theese tournaments with BBA?

No, I don't use ante at all in my home tournaments.
But I would if I wanted to decrease the length of my game and if I would use antes, I would use BBA.

 

[nostan]

No, I don't use ante at all in my home tournaments.
But I would if I wanted to decrease the length of my game and if I would use antes, I would use BBA.

I see. I like to have more chips, 15/5/11/9 I wonder if this is the best alternative for using BBA

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

I think if you use BBA, 15 x T100 would make more sense indeed.
Then why not 15/7/10/7 for T50,000 ?

 

[DeeVee8]

For my big stack tourneys, I have a small amount of 10k chips that are used exclusively for buying up the 100's and 500's, which I race off at roughly the same time. I try to keep a max of 4 denoms on the table at a time and because "moar chips".

 

[Mr Winberg]

Calling @BGinGA and @Mr Winberg

Alrighty then!

Possibility of 9 full Rebuys/Add-On

Hmmm... in my crowd, almost everyone adds on. Out of around 20 players maybe 1 or 2 don't add on. Make sure you're sure about these numbers.

Apart from that, your numbers add up correctly.

T5000 - 177pcs (Coloring up T100 and T500 gives 162+6+9)

T25,000 - 27pcs (Coloring up T1000 and extra for rounding up and nine Rebuys gives 8+1+18)

If you want to save a few chips, you can use T25k for all color-ups. Instead of 9+6=15 T5000 you just need 3 T25k.

But if 10/6/11/9 is enough with my requirements (BBA) I prefer that I guess...

I would probably do 15/..., but that's coming from someone who thinks even 12/12/... in a T25 base is too few!

Also thinking of using T2000...and T10k:

Before you invest thousands and thousands of hard-earned Swedish kroner, just use your current chips (or buy dice chips for like 100 SEK on blocket) and have a few tournaments using a T2000. Make sure you and your crew like it. After three tries, I prefer the T1000 over the T2000. The biggest scrub donkey in my town had a CDI set with relabelled T2000 chips, when he sold and instead bought sunflys he didn't think twice about switching to T1000. Most people prefer the T1000. It's natural and intuitive. Maybe you're an exception, in which case go for it! Just make sure!