Dealer Misunderstanding (1 Viewer)

[shorticus]

In a Limit Cash Game I was playing last night, there was a misunderstanding and I’m wondering if the floor played this out correctly.

Action is around to this guy who is holding pocket QQ’s on the turn. Action checks to him at which time he says “Check?”asking in the form of a question to see if action is on him. Dealer misinterprets this comment to mean he was actually checking. For me, it was clearly a question and not a statement of action, but I understand context matters. She burns and turns the river which is a 3rd diamond and the guy is pissed. He says, “I didnt check!” Dealer responds, “you said check” And they argue it back and forth for a moment. He Eventually checks the river and calls an $8 bet. He shows QQ and loses to a rivered flush. He then tells the dealer, “you costed me money!”Dealer immediately calls the floor and explains the situation from her perspective and the guy argues that he didn’t say check. Floor says the river card was supposed to be burned, but says there’s nothing he can do now that the hand is over.

Was the dealer correct? Should she have stopped when there was an altercation? Very curious about other perspectives.

 

[CraigT78]

Dude should have asked, check to me? Not the dealers fault IMO. Verbal is binding.

 

[Beakertwang]

Something similar happened to me. I was fairly new to casino poker, and headsup with a guy across the table from me. He was first to act, and instead of saying "check", or tapping the table like a normal person, he made a horizontal circular motion with his hand, like someone would make when taking a fancy bow. I said "was that a check?", and the dealer immediately burned and turned, apparently only hearing the "check" part. I argued a bit, and the guy next to me backed me up, but I'm not usually one to make a big stink about things. Turn went check, bet, fold, so it didn't affect anything.

The dumbest part is the other player deals at another casino, so I don't know why he found it necessary to get fancy with his check.

 

[Frogzilla]

Cant fault the dealer for thinking he checked if he said “check” no matter the intonation. It’d be different if he said “did he check” or “did everyone check” or “was that a check”

100% on player in this case. And the dealer probably saved him money unless no one calls flush draws IP in limit

 

[DoubleEagle]

Not the dealer‘s error. Players are required to make their actions clear or suffer the consequences.

 

[shorticus]

And the dealer probably saved him money unless no one calls flush draws IP in limit

that’s was my immediate thought as well.

 

[ekricket]

In a Limit Cash Game I was playing last night, there was a misunderstanding and I’m wondering if the floor played this out correctly.

Action is around to this guy who is holding pocket QQ’s on the turn. Action checks to him at which time he says “Check?”asking in the form of a question to see if action is on him. Dealer misinterprets this comment to mean he was actually checking. For me, it was clearly a question and not a statement of action, but I understand context matters. She burns and turns the river which is a 3rd diamond and the guy is pissed. He says, “I didnt check!” Dealer responds, “you said check” And they argue it back and forth for a moment. He Eventually checks the river and calls an $8 bet. He shows QQ and loses to a rivered flush. He then tells the dealer, “you costed me money!”Dealer immediately calls the floor and explains the situation from her perspective and the guy argues that he didn’t say check. Floor says the river card was supposed to be burned, but says there’s nothing he can do now that the hand is over.

Was the dealer correct? Should she have stopped when there was an altercation? Very curious about other perspectives.

I see this a lot from older players that like to repeat the last thing they heard or verbalize their thoughts with out thinking.

 

[johnnycnote]

"Action to me?" or "My action?" would be better than "Check?". Hard to fault the dealer

 

[shorticus]

I see this a lot from older players that like to repeat the last thing they heard or verbalize their thoughts with out thinking.

Good assessment. It was an older guy at the table.

 

[justsomedude]

Definitely not the dealer's fault.

This happens to me as I am prone to tapping my hands on the table, and have been called (on more than one occasion) for signaling a check when I did not intend to. It's my own fault, not the dealer's. Similarly, saying "check" is a check, regardless of inflection.

Lesson: Always be very very careful with whatever you say/do at the poker table. It's not the dealer's job to babysit your play/action.

 

[WedgeRock]

He then tells the dealer, “you costed me money!”

My first response would be to correct his grammar...

 

[allforcharity]

But it also wouldn't have been wrong for the dealer to clarify. It only take a half-second.

 

[Beakertwang]

My first response would be to correct his grammar...

I thought this myself, but didn't post, because I get uncomfortable with all the adoration I get for being a grammar pedant.

 

[shorticus]

But it also wouldn't have been wrong for the dealer to clarify. It only take a half-second.

I thought this as well, but if you think you heard what he said, why would you ask again? You’d have to essentially ask everyone their action everytime they act.

 

[moose]

My first response would be to correct his grammar...

To "you saved me money"

 

[surfik]

Happened to me once. I was not sure if the player before me acted and I asked "check?". The turn was reviled and eventually I lost a hand. That's why you always need to pay attention at the table.
Not a dealers fault....

 

[Highli99]

To "you saved me money"

right. If the guy wason a flush draw he was calling the turn bet.

 

[Josh Kifer]

 

[TeamNapoli]

im on the dealer side on this one

 

[FordPickup92]

Does Ron burgundy like tacos?

 

[Josh Kifer]

Does Ron burgundy like tacos?

Erry day erry day.

 

[FordPickup92]

Something similar happened to me. I was fairly new to casino poker, and headsup with a guy across the table from me. He was first to act, and instead of saying "check", or tapping the table like a normal person, he made a horizontal circular motion with his hand, like someone would make when taking a fancy bow. I said "was that a check?", and the dealer immediately burned and turned, apparently only hearing the "check" part. I argued a bit, and the guy next to me backed me up, but I'm not usually one to make a big stink about things. Turn went check, bet, fold, so it didn't affect anything.

The dumbest part is the other player deals at another casino, so I don't know why he found it necessary to get fancy with his check.

I would've politely said, "excuse me, can you do that again with your wand?"

 

[FordPickup92]

Erry day erry day.

I want Ron burgundy to be my friend now lol

 

[Josh Kifer]

I want Ron burgundy to be my friend now lol

He's everyone's friend. He is love.

 

[FordPickup92]

He's everyone's friend. He is love.

Does Ron agree that the guy should not have used the word check with a question, rather should have asked if the action was to him?

 

[Josh Kifer]

Does Ron agree that the guy should not have used the word check with a question, rather should have asked if the action was to him?

Ron just plays jazz flute.

 

[FordPickup92]

Ron just plays jazz flute.

Can he play your mom's flute?

 

[Josh Kifer]

Can he play your mom's flute?

........ You made this weird.

 

[FordPickup92]

........ You made this weird.

I win!

 

[allforcharity]

I thought this as well, but if you think you heard what he said, why would you ask again? You’d have to essentially ask everyone their action everytime they act.

No, this is a little extreme. Besides, when I deal, I try to be active to clarify and move the game along, announcing the folds, checks, bets, and raises in turn so everything is clear, making sure everyone knows where the action is, etc. I do this because I don't have a ton of experience playing, and I play in home games where there is usually a range of experience at the table, anything from a brand new person just learning poker to 15 year home game veterans. I also do this at charity poker events where you see the same experience range, but definitely edging toward the newbie and the clueless.