Dealer Induced Issue at Weekly League Game (1 Viewer)

[PlaidDragon]

My weekly league at the local VFW post experienced an issue during it's most recent session. We are self-dealt and sometimes an eliminated player will take over dealing when there is space enough at a given table, and that's what had occurred for this issue.

I was not at the table when it happened but they called me over to help with a ruling given they weren't certain how to proceed.... and after they shared the details, neither was I.

The Situation:

1) BB, UTG, and D are in and see a flop.
2) BB checks.
3) UTG bets.
4) D calls.
5) BB shoves - but is covered by both of the remaining players.
6) UTG calls.
7) D calls.
8) The dealer (again, no longer in the game) mistakenly instructs the players to show, despite UTG and D still both having chips.
9) D shows.... UTG recognizes the mistake and does not.

This is when I was called over from the adjacent table. We deliberated for a time and were pretty much at a loss of what to do.

We agreed it was a compounding mistake on the D position to turn her cards up, but given the dealer instructed everyone to do so we felt some leeway was called for; especially with a dry side pot.

Ultimately we had UTG and BB also upturn their hands and just dealt out the turn and river with no further betting.

What say you all to this?

The hand resulted in BB winning the main pot with top two pair. UTG ended up with a 4-card flush, A-high. D had pocket 10's and would have taken a side pot had there been one.

 

[Machine]

It depends on the atmosphere, but ultimately, I think it should have continued as it was. The button exposed hand, so it has to basically play it face up now.

Without a professional dealer, the player still has responsibilities.

Correct play would have the UTG still checking, trying to put out the BB with the button.

 

[Taghkanic]

My weekly league at the local VFW post experienced an issue during it's most recent session. We are self-dealt and sometimes an eliminated player will take over dealing when there is space enough at a given table, and that's what had occurred for this issue.

I was not at the table when it happened but they called me over to help with a ruling given they weren't certain how to proceed.... and after they shared the details, neither was I.

The Situation:

1) BB, UTG, and D are in and see a flop.
2) BB checks.
3) UTG bets.
4) D calls.
5) BB shoves - but is covered by both of the remaining players.
6) UTG calls.
7) D calls.
8) The dealer (again, no longer in the game) mistakenly instructs the players to show, despite UTG and D still both having chips.
9) D shows.... UTG recognizes the mistake and does not.

This is when I was called over from the adjacent table. We deliberated for a time and were pretty much at a loss of what to do.

We agreed it was a compounding mistake on the D position to turn her cards up, but given the dealer instructed everyone to do so we felt some leeway was called for; especially with a dry side pot.

Ultimately we had UTG and BB also upturn their hands and just dealt out the turn and river with no further betting.

What say you all to this?

The hand resulted in BB winning the main pot with top two pair. UTG ended up with a 4-card flush, A-high. D had pocket 10's and would have taken a side pot had there been one.

That seems like a friendly way of handling things, but if either of the other players objected to just checking it down, I wouldn’t blame them.

The dealer messed up… but the players had every right to refuse his instructions and to demand a floor/house explanation rather than obeying automatically.

That said, if the folks in this game are largely casual recreational players with little knowledge of tourney rules, handling it amicably if possible seems fine.