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Hello!

Im new to the poker chip world and just wondering if anyone can advise the difference between cpc(rounders, asm, the kind with the horse head inlays) vs classic paulson thc and rhc? are they the same material and finish? Is there a previous thread that i can refer to?

Thank you and sorry if this has been asked before!
 

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First of all, I think 99% of us agrees that Paulsons >>>>>CPCs. With that said, CPCs are great! They are the only way one will get brand new clay chips and chips with the design of one’s own choice at that. Both are compression made clays but they use different formulas. CPCs are harder and have sort of a rough finish (feel will differ a lot between the different molds). New CPCs require oiling to really shine while new Paulsons generally do not. Most notable difference though is the much wider color palett of Paulsons. Compared to Paulsons a lot of the CPC colors appear a bit dull, and in some cases very dull or washed out. This is especially true with the yellows.

I really like CPCs and have an order in for a custom cashset but if you’re considering a set you should definitely get samples to decide for yourself whether you like them or not.
 
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Good overview above. I'd highly suggest buying a shuffle stack of each to get a feel before making a large purpose. I love both for what its worth.
 

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First of all, I think 99% of us agrees that Paulsons >>>>>CPCs. With that said, CPCs are great! They are the only way one will get brand new clay chips and chips with the design of one’s own choice at that. Both are compression made clays but they use different formulas. CPCs are harder and have sort of a rough finish (feel will differ a lot between the different molds). New CPCs require oiling to really shine while new Paulsons generally do not. Most notable difference though is the much wider color palett of Paulsons. Compared to Paulsons a lot of the CPC colors appear a bit dull, and in some cases very dull or washed out. This is especially true with the yellows.

I really like CPCs and have an order in for a custom cashset but if you’re considering a set you should definitely get samples to decide for yourself whether you like them or not.
Awesome mate, thanks for the great insight! Are CPCs the same as asm?
 

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There is a newbie thread that passes around different sample chips, paulsons included and if it is the set I got when I started I added some CPC before I passed it on.
 

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There is a newbie thread that passes around different sample chips, paulsons included and if it is the set I got when I started I added some CPC before I passed it on.
Wished i lived in the US for this but sadly im not ;/ but i guess the general consensus is get samples and feel them out yourself !

Likely dozens. Use the search feature. Or just start reading everything.
Long story short, compressed clays are better than everything else. The distinctions between them are small, but we like to make them huge.
Thanks! i guess this rabbit hole goes way further than i thought it would haha!
 

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Basically apples and oranges. But both fruits.
Some similarities on a rudementary level. But very different in composition and feel (which will vary depending on mold choice).
 

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Hi and welcome

I think for that advice there are much more knowledgeable people around here than me , I’m a new chipper just like you.
However , since I got both here I can tell you that Paulson >>>>>>>>>CPC. However , if you care about game security and having you’re own full custom design obviously Paulson can’t offer that to the home market and CPC can and its the only one that does. Get samples before you decide like mentioned here above , ultimately it’s what you like and want.
Custom CPC are not cheap either by any means and for nice spots you will pay a premium although with some creativity and skills this will be limited. Paulsons are softer and CPC are much harder and will take longer to break in . As got the colors , Paulson wins always , and is a ready to use product when mint. Can’t say that for CPC. Both are good however , but to me ; PAULSON
 

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Awesome mate, thanks for the great insight! Are CPCs the same as asm?
CPC was ASM (Maine). In between, It was ASM (Vegas) but run by a completely different person. ASM (Vegas) was terrible and the company was on the verge of failing. It was bought by a 3rd party who put chip production back in the hands of the ASM (Maine) chipmaker. However, the damage to the ASM brand was so severe, they changed the name to CPC.
 

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Hi and welcome

I think for that advice there are much more knowledgeable people around here than me , I’m a new chipper just like you.
However , since I got both here I can tell you that Paulson >>>>>>>>>CPC. However , if you care about game security and having you’re own full custom design obviously Paulson can’t offer that to the home market and CPC can and its the only one that does. Get samples before you decide like mentioned here above , ultimately it’s what you like and want.
Custom CPC are not cheap either by any means and for nice spots you will pay a premium although with some creativity and skills this will be limited. Paulsons are softer and CPC are much harder and will take longer to break in . As got the colors , Paulson wins always , and is a ready to use product when mint. Can’t say that for CPC. Both are good however , but to me ; PAULSON
Hello and thanks for this! For me personally i think its really about the feel of the chip! paulsons feel really good and i dont know if cpc can match up to it and was wondering if it was even the same material. Im putting together a mixed set so im not so particular on custom chips, which makes all the more sense to go with paulsons! In terms of durability, do cpc hold up as well as Paulsons?
 

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The key is to take your time, which is easier preached than practiced for all of us. "Get samples" is always the correct mantra.

What I have found and what I believe I witness from many veteran chippers is that Paulsons are the best way to start if you want to jump right in with the best quality. As you go you will start better learning the chipping intricacies (denominations, colors, inserts, progression, flow, themes, inlays, personal preferences, etc.). It is at that point you can take what you have learned and will be better suited and prepared to make your own custom set through CPC. Besides a few specific sets, you are not going to be able to have the resale value that Paulsons have, so that needs to be taken into consideration if that could be an issue for you. However, the set should last your whole life unless you are throwing them against a wall, is your own set, and is fun/unique.

Personally, I finished the core of my two Paulson sets, know exactly what I want in my next chip/set, and am currently in the early stages of a custom CPC Cali-color cash set. From what I gather, many take the same path. Not to mention, Paulsons going up in price now make CPCs even more cost-effective than they previously were.

Summation: Take your time, browse, and get samples.
 

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Better since they’re harder and less prone to flea bites. Shouldn’t be a concern with either for home use though
That’s totally true , the downside of this is that they take a whole lot longer to get buttery smooth even if they get buttery smooth because with normal home use even with mint paulsons this takes a long time let alone CPC
 

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You can and should read for days on this subject. But here’s a few quick thoughts.

Not all Paulsons are created equal. Many of us who rave about Paulsons are actually raving about older (pre2000ish) chips, produced with a softer, clay (made with lead) on the THC mold, with inlays that were shaped and textured.
All paulsons made in the last 20 years or so are made with a lighter, harder clay formula. None of them have inlays that are textured or shaped, and the majority are produced on the RHC mold.
Some people will tell you that these modern RHC Paulsons are superior to CPCs. I won’t. There are a handful of CPC molds that I think are vastly superior to RHC, and the rest I’d say are either better, or a wash. And CPC will make textured, shaped inlays. So personally, in terms of chips being produced today, I think CPCs are better than Paulsons.
It’s worth mentioning that Paulson colors are FAR superior to CPCs, so if that’s important to you, that’s a big factor.

But as I said before, as long as you’re buying compressed clay chips, you’re getting chips that are better than what 90% of the rest of the world is using.
 

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What do you mean by a shuffle stack? Just a sample set?
Shuffle stack to me is 10 chips. Enough to get a feel. I think a barrel is necessary to gage a chip.

But I think a shuffle stack is 5 chips...or 6. Whatever you fancy to sit at a game and shuffle with...
 

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Here's my take (aside from the great advice already shared in this thread):

Yes, Paulsons are generally more desirable than CPC. They often hold a much higher resale value. A paulson chip is finite, and not likely to be purchased/made again. Whereas you create a CPC set, and it instantly loses resale value, as nobody is going to pay you more for a chip they can replicate from CPC directly. That said, the value of CPC comes from the carefully crafted designs.

Now, resale amount isn't always the most important factor in value.. There are some truly epic CPC sets! And to give perspective, many of us attend (or host) chip meetups, where 30+ chippers gather to play cards on some epic tables and use some epic chip sets. Sure, there are often custom or special Paulson chip sets that make appearances, but more often the epic custom CPC sets are coveted and admired by those attending. People even bring guest sets to put into play.

Here's another example. I had an amazing set of MINT Paulson tourney chips, in my collection. These are often referred to as some of the best tourney chips ever designed. However, I also have a custom tourney set from CPC that people rave about (at least in my local circles). When we were getting together to play, the CPC chips were requested every single time. No one wanted to play the Paulsons.

Now, people pour their hearts into the designs of their particular CPC sets, and they match their particular tastes for color and design. So, of course everyone thinks their chips are the best looking chips. I don't honestly feel like my CPC tourney set is better looking than the amazing Paulson grail set, BUT the level of personalization involved often makes even my players more interested in playing them. So Paulson > CPC for resale/value. CPC > Paulson for cool factor and customization.
 

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If you play cash games, cleaned casino used Paulson’s would be my recommendation. Very affordable and feel wonderful when dragging in a pot.
If you are a tournament player I suggest CPC because higher Paulson denominations are so much more expensive.

I prefer the feel of Paulson’s, prefer the creativity and security of custom CPC sets.

you can’t go wrong either way.
 

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Here's my take (aside from the great advice already shared in this thread):

Yes, Paulsons are generally more desirable than CPC. They often hold a much higher resale value. A paulson chip is finite, and not likely to be purchased/made again. Whereas you create a CPC set, and it instantly loses resale value, as nobody is going to pay you more for a chip they can replicate from CPC directly. That said, the value of CPC comes from the carefully crafted designs.

Now, resale amount isn't always the most important factor in value.. There are some truly epic CPC sets! And to give perspective, many of us attend (or host) chip meetups, where 30+ chippers gather to play cards on some epic tables and use some epic chip sets. Sure, there are often custom or special Paulson chip sets that make appearances, but more often the epic custom CPC sets are coveted and admired by those attending. People even bring guest sets to put into play.

Here's another example. I had an amazing set of MINT Paulson tourney chips, in my collection. These are often referred to as some of the best tourney chips ever designed. However, I also have a custom tourney set from CPC that people rave about (at least in my local circles). When we were getting together to play, the CPC chips were requested every single time. No one wanted to play the Paulsons.

Now, people pour their hearts into the designs of their particular CPC sets, and they match their particular tastes for color and design. So, of course everyone thinks their chips are the best looking chips. I don't honestly feel like my CPC tourney set is better looking than the amazing Paulson grail set, BUT the level of personalization involved often makes even my players more interested in playing them. So Paulson > CPC for resale/value. CPC > Paulson for cool factor and customization.
Thanks for the 2 cents mate! Yeah i kinda get what you mean. For me i feel like paulson has this heritage factor to it being that its not in production for personal use anymore. Like what you said, cpc can be acquired any time and it probably has a lesser value holding. But i guess its leading towards paulsons for now until i probably complete my first mixed set for play, then start to look at different options for a spare set/ secondary set!

If you play cash games, cleaned casino used Paulson’s would be my recommendation. Very affordable and feel wonderful when dragging in a pot.
If you are a tournament player I suggest CPC because higher Paulson denominations are so much more expensive.

I prefer the feel of Paulson’s, prefer the creativity and security of custom CPC sets.

you can’t go wrong either way.

Yeah i guess like what upNdown said, either one is already way better than what i used to play with! Security and customizing is not really impt to me now so i guess its probably paulsons for now!
 

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What do you mean by a shuffle stack? Just a sample set?
Ten chips is a shuffle stack, although some people can shuffle more or less. Shuffling chips is how many of us decide what we like and dislike. Weight, sound, texture, and slipperiness can all be gauges this way. Basically just fondel some before you make a big commitment. Each mold has a different feel so you may need to get quite a few stacks to figure it out.
 

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Yes, but how big is your johnson?
Whenever someone asks me “can I ask you a question?” I ALWAYS answer in inches just in case their question is the one above. Sometimes if I have a ruler handy ill just hold it up with my thumb at the right spot and say “about this big”. I don't have many friends.

With respect to shuffling I also like to do that thing where you shuffle the top 5 chips into a tall stack. It's weirds people out, especially if you spend time aligning the top of the stack with hour fingertips afterwards. Meta game stuff!
 

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the downside of this is that they take a whole lot longer to get buttery smooth even if they get buttery smooth because with normal home use even with mint paulsons this takes a long time let alone CPC
This is not entirely accurate. I cannot speak for all CPC moulds but I can say that both my custom CPC sets (FDL and Jockey) were easier to shuffle right out of the box versus mint unleaded Paulsons. Mint clay chips from GPI have much sharper edges compared to mint CPC chips.
 
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