CPC Custom for craps (1 Viewer)

[JustDave]

Just been playing around for a custom CPC set for my craps game. The breakdown is really different for craps than from poker, so kinda need to support all the way to some pretty high denoms even if not in high quantity.

Inlays are just a place holder, I'd probably go with similar, just reverse the black and white.

Dave

 

[JustDave]

Looking at a more involved frac, would want to do a HS if that makes sense and maybe a two color spot for the white instead of one.

The Hundo may have some changes. I'm not wild about it being the only chip in the set that's three different spot colors even though I do like the chip overall.
Also looking at just straight copying the 1k chip from a HoF set.

 

[allforcharity]

What is your required breakdown, may I ask?

 

[johnjohn]

You killed with the black chip designs. Stunning.

 

[JustDave]

So, normally we play $1 = $100, and they buy in for $20 so they get $2,000 in chips but due to how you bet in craps you need a lot of denominations:

200	$1
300	$5
200	$25
200	$100
40	$500
40	$1,000
20	$5,000

 

[JustDave]

Had a few folks DM me about breakdowns and how we set up the game so I'm just gonna comment in the main thread as well.

First off, the $1,000 and $5,000 chips are probably un needed. The $1-$500 chips represent about $45,000 in value. The 60 chips for $1,000-$5,000 are an additional $140,000 in value, this really isn't needed. In the games we play, we do use the $500 chips regularly, the $1,000 never. They are really in the set because I'd already be getting 1k chips and what other opportunity would you get to get a small count chip and I like the designs for them. They are also $4.50 at L9/10 a chip when the average is L3/4 so I don't want too many of them.

With Poker you have the bank, right, and you can play with the bank and then also use it for making change. With Craps instead you've got the players, you've got the house and then the bank. So in our example above where we have people buying in for $20 and getting $2,000 in chips we have 10 players just for easy math(on a real craps table you'd fit more players but we just play on a kitchen table sized mat). That's $20,000 in value. Now we also have 'the house' sitting on the other side. Normally what happens there is the host or the collective players over the course of time, build 'the house' for an equal value to the players. So the easiest version is that the host puts up $200 cash and has $20,000 in value as the house. The remainder of the bank is the extra $5,000 which is just change.

If you are familiar with craps games, the $1s and the $5s are used all the time for small prop bets even when you are doing like $25-$50 pass line bets and then you always need to be doing things like betting $24 instead of $25 to make the math work out. I'd lean a bit heavier to $1s but I've had sets with 300 of them before and found I never need that many. 200 of them is right there with a busy table deep in a roll and how many chips you want to have in play, certainly not less. If I was trying to support more players I'd immediately start with more 100s.

We've never played this before as $1:$1. That would just be insane to me. If the table was hot or cold the game would be over super quickly and the goal isn't to win money but to have fun and teach craps. Very quickly the players would bust or the house would lose a ton of money. Yikes. We've played this before $1:$10. We gave everyone $200 in chips on their $20 buy in which mirrors a lot how we buy into craps at a real casino. The three times we did it everyone was felted within 20 minutes and we reset the game.

So what we do is we give everyone $2000 off the $20 buy in, but we give them a $500, a bunch of $100s and then $25s/$5s and $1s and people are making like $5 or $10 pass line bets for most of the evening. This gives them a lot of action, a lot of chips out on the table without forcing them to play super tight. I feel like some of the folks who are good at introducing newbs to tournament poker also advocate giving them more little chips so they aren't super tight the entire time and what not.

 

[JustDave]

Also, want to give credit for cool colors/chips.

The Green chip is inspired by @allforcharity Casino Royale tribute set, the T25k with the T5k colors: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...at-ive-been-kicking-around.56820/post-1413324

The Purple chip is a starlite clone.

The Orange chip is just straight stolen from @madforpancakes Rainier Room orange chip: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/the-rainier-room-cpc.64177/

 

[andy699669]

Also, want to give credit for cool colors/chips.

The Green chip is inspired by @allforcharity Casino Royale tribute set, the T25k with the T5k colors: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...at-ive-been-kicking-around.56820/post-1413324

The Purple chip is a starlite clone.

The Orange chip is just straight stolen from @madforpancakes Rainier Room orange chip: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/the-rainier-room-cpc.64177/

To certain extent, the green chip is also based on WSOP 2007 Primaries.

 

[JustDave]

To certain extent, the green chip is also based on WSOP 2007 Primaries.

I'm sure there are 'they look like this chip' either by chance or just by 'complementary colors in a normal spot pattern' but where I'm mentioning those for credit like I actually looked at their proof sheets/mock ups and copied them directly.

 

[liftapint]

Original $100, all the way. It's incredible.

 

[JustDave]

Original $100, all the way. It's incredible.

Yeah, I was kinda bothered by it being 3 spot colors instead of two like the rest of the set, but I don't know, something about it, I just don't care. Really like that chip and in my current mock up the other two hundos are gone.

 

[JustDave]

I got out my CPC sample set and made a few changes not in the core concept or colors, just reviewing some of the 'I'm not a big fan of Red, lets change it to Retro Red' kind of choices.

$1 - Same
$5 - Changed Mandarin Red to Retro Red
$25 - Some debate on Dark Green vs Retro Green and Yellow vs Canary. Really the design tool doesn't help here, only seeing it in samples. I think keeping the Canary but changing Dark Green for Retro Green.
$100 - Looked at Dayglo Peach vs Dayglo Tiger. Very much leaning staying with Tiger at this point.
$500 - Torn on Lavender vs Retro Lavender. The design tool does not do Retro Lavender justice, I feel like I'm likely going to flip flop on this a lot.
$1,000 - No change
$5,000 - Changed Red to Retro Red

 

[RainmanTrail]

 

[JustDave]

Reference:
$5:

$25:

$100:

$500:

$5000:

 

[JustDave]

heh, don't like the pea soup green background?

 

[JustDave]

 

[johnjohn]

The colors pop with the pea green background...lol

I may have to replicate this hundo.

 

[JustDave]

Mold wise I justed jockey because it was what my browser was set at.

I rejected a bunch of molds because they just don't appeal to me at all.

SCrown, H-Mold, Circle Square, Jockey and Diamond Square are what I'd look at.

SCrown - Nice mold but just not the right chip for this set I don't think.
H-Mold - Again, more of a classic mold and also don't want to have Josh come and hunt me down.
Jockey - I get it's CPC's 'THC', but like I just look at the shape all the time and my brain goes 'what is that shape?' Def a candidate though
CSQ - I kinda dig it. A bit busy if I'm honest and kinda gets in the way of the spots, but legit.
Diamond Square - Liking this mold lately. I'm not sure why. The really wide outer ring is appealing and the pattern is there but not too busy.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

A bit busy if I'm honest and kinda gets in the way of the spots, but legit.

Used to think this as well. I think it’s the close up shots giving this impression. Grab a sample set of the rounders on CSQ. In person it doesn’t seem anywhere near as busy as expected and is now the mold I’m going with myself

 

[PlaidDragon]

If it was my set I wouldn’t go blue for the 5k.

maybe either of these?

The rest of your set looks great!

 

[JustDave]

If it was my set I wouldn’t go blue for the 5k.

maybe either of these?

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The rest of your set looks great!

My AS T1000 chips would like a word with you.

Interesting grey chip though.

 

[JustDave]

Used to think this as well. I think it’s the close up shots giving this impression. Grab a sample set of the rounders on CSQ. In person it doesn’t seem anywhere near as busy as expected and is now the mold I’m going with myself

I've got a samples of AMold, SCrown, HMold, CSQ, Scroll, Jockey.

I don't have a DSQ sample set however. Need to get one for sure.

 

[RainmanTrail]

If it was my set I wouldn’t go blue for the 5k.

maybe either of these?

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The rest of your set looks great!

 

[JustinInMN]

To be technical, craps is neither a game of poker, nor cards .

 

[JustDave]

To be technical, craps is neither a game of poker, nor cards .

Craps is a game for degenerates. It's not quite roulette which is barely above 'spin the wheel', but it's still full blown degens all over the place.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Craps is a game for degenerates. It's not quite roulette which is barely above 'spin the wheel', but it's still full blown degens all over the place.

It's also the best non-skill game in the casino in terms of your chances to win. Which is a shit way of trying to say that it has the smallest house advantage of all casino games.

 

[JustDave]

It's also the best non-skill game in the casino in terms of your chances to win. Which is a shit way of trying to say that it has the smallest house advantage of all casino games.

yes and no, it has the only 'no house edge' bet I'm aware of in a casino, the true odds behind the pass line for example, and if you find a field bet that pays triples on 2/12 that's no house edge.

It also has some AWFUL 16.67% house edge bets like 'any 7'. The bets that are 'fun' is where they get you.

 

[RainmanTrail]

yes and no, it has the only 'no house edge' bet I'm aware of in a casino, the true odds behind the pass line for example, and if you find a field bet that pays triples on 2/12 that's no house edge.

It also has some AWFUL 16.67% house edge bets like 'any 7'. The bets that are 'fun' is where they get you.

Ya, I should have clarified by saying it offers the best odds in a casino (skill games aside). But it also offers some shitty bets that are aimed at fleecing you.

 

[natumes]

Great way to run a home craps game, we run very similar. Surprised to not see more $5 chips in your breakdown, if I have 10 players I want 600 fives on the table. Maybe our game just plays smaller, I've never needed $500 chips.

Digging the designs, just started the process for my own customs as well, but mine will be more poker focused.

 

[slisk250]

First off, the $1,000 and $5,000 chips are probably un needed.

Blasphemy! I need a table still but bought the chips. I went crazy and bought enough to fill a 12’ table exactly like a casino. My craps dealer friends gave the assist. Here you go! I like your chips, nice colors, spots.