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Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (25 Viewers)

Old State said:
Most of my old poker crew could shuffle correctly. But yes, many don’t….but they still waste time with other distractions that people don’t account for.

I rarely play tournaments…90% cash. But I’d love to see a hidden camera of a table shuffling with two decks. I guarantee you the time lost handing the decks around, people stacking chips and plain table talk negate almost all the time you think you save. With one deck the person is on the spot to shuffle quickly.

The top most annoying thing is dealing around the cards shuffling…or as the shuffler picking up the cards to make it easier for the dealer. So annoying

I play in cash games with two decks and one deck and notice virtually no practical difference in the actual execution of it…but people think it’s faster. I’m 100% convinced through 30 years of observation the two deck system in theory makes sense but when executed in a real games setting offers little advantage.
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I very much like what you're saying. Do you have any pamphlets and can I join your religion?
 
Old State said:
I’d love to see a hidden camera of a table shuffling with two decks.
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I have the footage. Not sure how to share it though, and the files are large (2 GB per hour). There was a significant increase in speed when we shifted from one deck to two.

However, once a year we run a "Ladies night" game. Men that attend are used as servers for the ladies they ring a bell and we pour drinks. The men play circus cash games in the kitchen, but use a single deck - largely because we aren't concerned with hands per hour in the cash game, and you don't want to get felted too many times when your wife is still playing in the tournament. So I will concede one deck from a cash game perspective isn't terrible, as long as you don't mind fewer hands.

Old State said:
I would use this same set for limit… if I could get anyone to play it anymore
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I love limit - but I wouldn't want to play it either if it wasn't on a set with 100 chips per player (to start). Get a limit set and players will pester you for more limit!
*not guaranteed advice. Some people only want to play NLHE, eat plain vanilla ice cream, and think beige khakis are formal wear.

Old State said:
The top most annoying thing is dealing around the cards shuffling…or as the shuffler picking up the cards to make it easier for the dealer. So annoying
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I think the problem is your other group is shuffling ahead - that's it's own controversial topic (and shuffle ahead is wrong for the very reasons you noted).

BarrieJ3 said:
If someone at a table bets $69 or $55 or $350 or $31.50 or whatever, and another player adamantly complains about it or doesn’t allow it, I’m at the wrong table/game.
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It's only the wrong table if they bet $350, and they don't say "Tree-fiddy".
 
cpac54 said:
My mistake. For some reason I thought this was a poker chip forum.
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The reality is it’s a poker chip nerd forum. Regular people don’t get off on absurd amounts of chips in play…unless they want to pretend they are in TV…but that would be nerdy
Poker Zombie said:
I have the footage. Not sure how to share it though, and the files are large (2 GB per hour). There was a significant increase in speed when we shifted from one deck to two.

However, once a year we run a "Ladies night" game. Men that attend are used as servers for the ladies they ring a bell and we pour drinks. The men play circus cash games in the kitchen, but use a single deck - largely because we aren't concerned with hands per hour in the cash game, and you don't want to get felted too many times when your wife is still playing in the tournament. So I will concede one deck from a cash game perspective isn't terrible, as long as you don't mind fewer hands.


I love limit - but I wouldn't want to play it either if it wasn't on a set with 100 chips per player (to start). Get a limit set and players will pester you for more limit!
*not guaranteed advice. Some people only want to play NLHE, eat plain vanilla ice cream, and think beige khakis are formal wear.
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I think people also don’t consider breaks table talk, people thinking on bets, hand controversy, etc that all eat into the total amount of hands

As for limit I couldn’t get them to play no matter what. My old crew would laugh at 100 chips. The only way I might be able to convince them is to play higher limit levels like 5/10 or something.

For context, I’m 50 years old and live about an hour from AC. Most of my original poker crew started playing cards in casinos before the poker boom. Casino play is what they consider “normal” poker. We used to all play limit holdem in AC and they never gave anyone that many chips. When I cashed in $100 for a limit $3/6 game in the early 2000s they gave you a barrel of red $5s …not a rack of $1s. The dealer made change from the pot for you
 
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Poker Zombie said:
It's only the wrong table if they bet $350, and they don't say "Tree-fiddy".
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Eh. PCF games that don’t allow fun sized bets get the “thanks it was a great time wonderful game” aaaaaaaand never see em again treatment.

As Sophie Hunter put it so well, I’m an anxious avoidant attention whore but, I’ll be so cringe before I’ll ever be boring.

Yawn.

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Old State said:
I think people also don’t consider breaks table talk, people thinking on bets, hand controversy, etc that all eat into the total amount of hands
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This is whataboutism. Those things slow down the game AND slower shuffling practices slow down the game
 
Old State said:
The reality is it’s a poker chip nerd forum.
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That is certainly not controversial.

Old State said:
I think people also don’t consider breaks table talk, people thinking on bets, hand controversy, etc that all eat into the total amount of hands
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True, there is a lot of stuff that burns time off the clock. Adding shuffling to the mix is just extra time wasted. That is the reason we started taping the games - to figure out how many hands per hour were actually being played.

Old State said:
When I cashed in $100 for a limit $3/6 game in the early 2000s they gave you a barrel of red $5s …not a rack of $1s. The dealer made change from the pot for you
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When I buy into a game in Vegas, I ask at the cage for at least a barrel of singles, if not two. I keep them in easy to count stacks. Sure, most the bets are going to be in increments of $5, but I honestly prefer stacks of chips. Not so many that I have to struggle around them, but enough that I rarely have to ask for change. In Limit (which is still pitched out there) I get a rack of the playable denomination. Never had a cage say "no". If they did, I'd ask, "How am I supposed to tip?"
 
Old State said:
The top most annoying thing is dealing around the cards shuffling…or as the shuffler picking up the cards to make it easier for the dealer. So annoying
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Jesus, SHUFFLE BEHIND!!

I play in a land of heathens. It’s mature people, and if you give them a deck of cards it will take them 2 minutes to shuffle it. Between talking, pointing at shit, drinking, being 16 again in their head, whatever, it’s not unheard of for them to not have the deck shuffled completely before the next hand is over. With one deck we would be lucky to get three hands per two orbits in a 15 minute level tournament.

Part of it as well is this stupid “one person has to shuffle, one person has to pass the cards, and a third has to cut the deck”. FFS I know absolutely none of the players in our group can mechanic cards - see above for just their basic shuffling skills. It doesn’t matter who shuffled, as long as it’s adequate. Fuck the rest. Just deal the damn cards.

Our group is so afraid of “the rules of shuffling” they will just sit there and look at the deck of cards until their neighbor finishes their story or getting their beer and can then cut the deck at their leisure. Stupid.
 
Old State said:
We used to all play limit holdem in AC and they never gave anyone that many chips. When I cashed in $100 for a limit $3/6 game in the early 2000s they gave you a barrel of red $5s …not a rack of $1s. The dealer made change from the pot for you
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I’ve never in my (admittedly slightly shorter) life seen a casino limit game where a rack of the small chip wasn’t the standard.

3/6-4/8 rack of $1’s
8/16 racks of $2’s and so on.

Piles of chips drive action
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Poker Zombie said:
More controversy: 50 years old is young. :eek:
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Nah. Im 35 or 36 and was surprised to both be youngest attendee at a meetup and how noticeable by others it was.

I don’t think 50 is elderly, but I do think “50 years old is old” would be controversial and railed against.

Plus, you out here looking good for your age ;) (don’t worry @Mrs Poker Zombie, I’m happily married)
 
suchj0sh said:
8/16 racks of $2’s
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And that's the other part of the problem. In my admittedly narrow exposure to Limit, I played at a cardroom that spread $2/$4 using $2 chips, with a few $1s on the table for split pots and small blinds. That makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is that if I want to re-raise on 6th street, I need to slide out 24 chips?
Hey, if that's the norm, that's the norm. I just think its nuts.
 
upNdown said:
And that's the other part of the problem. In my admittedly narrow exposure to Limit, I played at a cardroom that spread $2/$4 using $2 chips, with a few $1s on the table for split pots and small blinds. That makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is that if I want to re-raise on 6th street, I need to slide out 24 chips?
Hey, if that's the norm, that's the norm. I just think its nuts.
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Pretty easy to cut out 24 chips even if you aren’t an experienced limit player. Push a barrel forward with one hand and 4 chips with the other while saying “raise.”
 
ekricket said:
Jesus, SHUFFLE BEHIND!!

I play in a land of heathens. It’s mature people, and if you give them a deck of cards it will take them 2 minutes to shuffle it. Between talking, pointing at shit, drinking, being 16 again in their head, whatever, it’s not unheard of for them to not have the deck shuffled completely before the next hand is over. With one deck we would be lucky to get three hands per two orbits in a 15 minute level tournament.

Part of it as well is this stupid “one person has to shuffle, one person has to pass the cards, and a third has to cut the deck”. FFS I know absolutely none of the players in our group can mechanic cards - see above for just their basic shuffling skills. It doesn’t matter who shuffled, as long as it’s adequate. Fuck the rest. Just deal the damn cards.

Our group is so afraid of “the rules of shuffling” they will just sit there and look at the deck of cards until their neighbor finishes their story or getting their beer and can then cut the deck at their leisure. Stupid.
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We may live 2000 miles apart, but I'm pretty sure we are playing with the same players.
 
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suchj0sh said:
I’ve never in my (admittedly slightly shorter) life seen a casino limit game where a rack of the small chip wasn’t the standard.

3/6-4/8 rack of $1’s
8/16 racks of $2’s and so on.

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I played limit in Atlantic City. Never saw that..but I having played limit in AC in almost 20 years. I’ve never seen a $2 chip in AC and I don’t see massive chip stacks at tables outside a couple people.

People mention all types of things I’ve never once saw in AC or Vegas. I think smaller casinos around the country may do this kind of stuff to attract people. Next time I’m at Borgata I’ll go look.

I recently played in Boston at the Wynn there and everything was the same as AC and Vegas. It’s obvious to me casinos try to limit the amount of chips in play. I’ve always imagined it was because it’s easier to see how much money is on the table on the security camera
 
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BarrieJ3 said:
These I’m very confused on. The set as it is looks…..like something I would make in my first chipping years. Yellow frac blue 1 red 5 green 25 black 100. Subjectively I can’t stand this color selection, and is why I threw away my first tiger set immediately after using it once - lifelong poker players kept almost making wrong bets and miscounting stacks at first glance due to the mishmash (and that was just with yellow fracs, not the blue 1s).
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I know "yellow" is in the name "arc yellow", but that color strikes me as an orange and that's always how I have considered that color. I know people often use CPC arc yellow for $5s, but I still think of it as an orange chip.

That said, there are tons of Vegas orange fracs and it strikes me as the most common 25c Vegas frac color (not that we see many 25c chips anymore). So, to me it makes perfect sense colorwise. Also, I feel it makes sense to have a frac that pops a bit. The arc yellow is super bright, but the soft warm colors of the spots on the Faro Dunes frac help to temper that a bit. I like an orange/pink/purple frac for Vegas colored sets. I don't understand all the people that discuss on here using blue for a frac with a white dollar or white frac with blue dollar. That seems odd to me. Just use either white or blue for your $1. And if you can't decide, white with blue spots or blue with white spots seem to show up all the time on $1 chips.

BarrieJ3 said:
Okay, so maybe I’m right. The cash colors don’t make sense, the spot patterns clash, etc. But the colors! Look at that bright trimoon, 8v blacks, etc. They’re built to be murdered!!! Okay…..then why the f**k are they hotstamps? Don’t they have to be murdered to be useful then? Or can you over label an intact hotstamp (most people’s choice to retain chip value)?

They don’t appear to be used as is, and they don’t appear to be built to be split and reused.
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The $100 is a throw-away for small cash games and will rarely if ever hit the table unless necessary, but is a great option to add to the overall bank of a set. So, it really doesn't matter how it sits with the other chips. If people are playing 25c/50c and a $100 eventually hits the felt, everyone will know it and that 8v will certainly be noticed.

Spot patterns clashing is kind of exactly what they should do in my mind and what you see on casino chips. The spots on this Faro Dunes set make each chip distinct when looking at stacks and you do get a heavy dose of the base color in the stacks and the base colors definitely stand apart. The frac/$1/$5 base colors pop really well. The $25 green is dark and breaks that trend and won't be mistaken.

The hot stamps are cheaper than inlays and have a cardroom feel to them in my opinion. They also don't cover up as much of the clay and we all like clay, right? They allow the base colors to be very prominent in this set and the subdued spots do their job while not taking away from that.

I think the Faro Dunes sets are absolutely intended to be used as is and just got done playing multiple days with them. There was no confusion about chip values or anything and these were super fun to play with. That said, people can do whatever they want with any chip they want. These can be restamped pretty easily. If someone wants to mill, they can do that. There is absolutely an aesthetic side to all of this and if the set doesn't work for you then no harm, no foul. I will say these chips hit me immediately upon actually playing with stacks of them...very vibrant, rich clay colors that definitely don't come through in the photos the way they do in person. Photography is tricky...lighting/time of day/color of background or felt/reflection off of the foil potentially muting the chip colors in photos, etc. In actual play, I rarely noticed the stamps unless grabbing a chip and holding it up to look at it. All I generally saw was stacks of beautiful, vibrant clay colors.

BarrieJ3 said:
Now the price point I can get behind! $560 per rack for the cash set. That’s not small by any means, but not huge either. I guess the price point makes these a bit more likely to be murdered and utilized.

Regardless, I’m ALWAYS a big fan of MOAR chips to the market and thankful to the chip vault for bringing them, as I am with Jim, Ken, etc. I may even be a buyer! But…..definitely not personally in love, and more to the point, I just don’t get the point.

Maybe design choice was limited, but these to me look like a casino made them, not a chipper/designer.
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Yeah, I think the price point in some part is due to hot stamps. If someone wants to murder, you're getting clay cheaper than inlaid chips. Yes, I am with you that more is better and glad to see projects make it to fruition. Not every project can be for everyone or hit a sweet spot with everyone. So, more and variety is only a good thing.

I think the design choices were wide open, but everyone has different design parameters/sensibilities. I think you will see the frac in person with the rest of the cash set and see that it is a great color. I agree that these feel like a casino set to me and I really like that. That is not to take away anything at all from Tigers/Sunset Beach, etc. Those are works of art for sure. These just hit me in a way that feels real and right.

I truly wish everyone could play with stacks of these and I think you'd be instantly hooked or at least "get it" even if it's a set that isn't for you. My Paulson sets are worn RHC casino sets, so this set at a lower price point and being new mint THC is something I was interested in picking up. These are real deal Paulsons in every way.

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(Edit to say that if a set does have peach or arc or some shade of a yellow type of a frac - ITS A FU***NG SOLID)
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I agree I generally have leaned toward a solid frac, but there are plenty of more recent examples of spotted casino fracs if they are bothered to be made. And, we certainly see spot patterns on these NAGB fracs because people probably like having something a bit more bold on the table if it was one of the three main denoms on the felt for home games. I will say that the purplish hued spots on the tri-moon frac do help to balance the chip and tone it down a bit and look great in stacks. I'm not a big fan of having too many fracs on the table, but these feel right and I actually want them out in reasonable piles. I still say these are orange to me and I see lots of examples of Nevada lighter orange colored fracs over the years. purples aren't used anywhere else in the cash set, so set this chip apart as well.

BarrieJ3 said:
Looking forward to seeing the $2, red and chocolate on peach seems interesting. Now if I could just get someone to include a $3 chip for limit in a NAGB….
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The $2 is great in play. It doesn't fit with the rest of the cash set, but wasn't intended to. The spot colors perfectly match this felt while the peach sits nicely on top. I would love a limit set of these, but already have big limit sets and haven't converted anyone locally into playing limit games...yet?!?

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All of the above is just my opinion and how the chips hit me after getting to handle stacks of them in play. As far as showing pics of the chips to my local friends that like to play, they are all about the blue $1 and that is true for this set as well. So, the average non-chipper opinion is this blue $1 rocks. It is the same exact blue as used on the Vegas MGM $1 for what it's worth. To me, the base clay colors are beautiful bold choices that are the predominant feature of the chips and let the clay really shine.

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extreme517 said:
I know "yellow" is in the name "arc yellow", but that color strikes me as an orange and that's always how I have considered that color. I know people often use CPC arc yellow for $5s, but I still think of it as an orange chip.

That said, there are tons of Vegas orange fracs and it strikes me as the most common 25c Vegas frac color (not that we see many 25c chips anymore). So, to me it makes perfect sense colorwise. Also, I feel it makes sense to have a frac that pops a bit. The arc yellow is super bright, but the soft warm colors of the spots on the Faro Dunes frac help to temper that a bit. I like an orange/pink/purple frac for Vegas colored sets. I don't understand all the people that discuss on here using blue for a frac with a white dollar or white frac with blue dollar. That seems odd to me. Just use either white or blue for your $1. And if you can't decide, white with blue spots or blue with white spots seem to show up on the time on $1 chips.


The $100 is a throw-away for small cash games and will rarely if ever hit the table unless necessary, but is a great option to add to the overall bank of a set. So, it really doesn't matter how it sits with the other chips. If people are playing 25c/50c and a $100 eventually hits the felt, everyone will know it and that 8v will certainly be noticed.

Spot patterns clashing is kind of exactly what they should do in my mind and what you see on casino chips. The spots on this Faro Dunes set make each chip distinct when looking at stacks and you do get a heavy dose of the base color in the stacks and the base colors definitely stand apart. The frac/$1/$5 base colors pop really well. The $25 green is dark and breaks that trend and won't be mistaken.

The hot stamps are cheaper than inlays and have a cardroom feel to them in my opinion. They also don't cover up as much of the clay and we all like clay, right? They allow the base colors to be very prominent in this set and the subdued spots do their job while not taking away from that.

I think the Faro Dunes sets are absolutely intended to be used as is and just got done playing multiple days with them. There was no confusion about chip values or anything and these were super fun to play with. That said, people can do whatever they want with any chip they want. These can be restamped pretty easily. If someone wants to mill, they can do that. There is absolute an aesthetic side to all of this and if the set doesn't work for you then no harm, no foul. I will say these chips hit me immediately upon actually playing with stacks of them...very vibrant, rich clay colors that definitely don't come through in the photos the way they do in person. Photography is tricky...lighting/time of day/color of background or felt/reflection off of the foil potentially muting the chip colors in photos, etc. In actual play, I rarely noticed the stamps unless grabbing a chip and holding it up to look at it. All I generally saw was stacks of beautiful, vibrant clay colors.


Yeah, I think the price point in some part is due to hot stamps. If someone wants to murder, you're getting clay cheaper than inlaid chips. Yes, I am with you that more is better and glad to see projects make it to fruition. Not every project can be for everyone or hit a sweet spot with everyone. So, more and variety is only a good thing.

I think the design choices were wide open, but everyone has different design parameters/sensibilities. I think you will see the frac in person with the rest of the cash set and see that it is a great color. I agree that these feel like a casino set to me and I really like that. That is not to take away anything at all from Tigers/Sunset Beach, etc. Those are works of art for sure. These just hit me in a way that feels real and right.

I truly wish everyone could play with stacks of these and I think you'd be instantly hooked or at least "get it" even if it's a set that isn't for you. My Paulson sets are worn RHC casino sets, so this set at a lower price point and being new mint THC is something I was interested in picking up. These are real deal Paulsons in every way.


I agree I generally have leaned toward a solid frac, but there are plenty of more recent examples of spotted casino fracs if they are bothered to be made. And, we certainly see spot patterns on these NAGB fracs because people probably like having something a bit more bold on the table if it was one of the three main denoms on the felt for home games. I will say that the purplish hued spots on the tri-moon frac do help to balance the chip and tone it down a bit and look great in stacks. I'm not a big fan of having too many fracs on the table, but these feel right and I actually want them out in reasonable piles. I still say these are orange to me and I see lots of examples of Nevada lighter orange colored fracs over the years. purples aren't used anywhere else in the cash set, so set this chip apart as well.


The $2 is great in play. It doesn't fit with the rest of the cash set, but wasn't intended to. The spot colors perfectly match this felt while the peach sits nicely on top. I would love a limit set of these, but already have big limit sets and haven't converted anyone locally into playing limit games...yet?!?

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All of the above is just my opinion and how the chips hit me after getting to handle stacks of them in play. As far as showing pics of the chips to my local friends that like to play, they are all about the blue $1 and that is true for this set as well. So, the average non-chipper opinion is this blue $1 rocks. It is the same exact blue as used on the Vegas MGM $1 for what it's worth. To me, the base clay colors are beautiful bold choices that are the predominant feature of the chips and let the clay really shine.

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There is something so totally PCF about Faros on a Aurora Star stable with an Ojibwa cut card
 
Controversial Opinion 1: People that threadcrap someone making money in a classified listing should keep that same energy and threadcrap every off site find, NAGB, and flipping classfied listing by unknowns and friends alike.

Controversial Opinion 2: Hasn't changed since my opinion on Day 1, moderation is a toothless, opaque, socially driven tool.

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On many PCF threads that's a great way to while away some time. This thread does not seem worth it lol. So much of the drama here is vague references to other things happening at the time
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And because I completely agree with FestiveKnights post, cause for opinion here:

Not for or against anything in this sale (https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lco-100-rack-2000.129996/), but with the amount of threadcrapping/classified oversight watching people do, you'd think this is the most kind, generous, community driven site ever.

The amount of tongue in cheek threadcrapping, linking of other threads, etc. is beyond mindblowing. This is not a thinly veiled shot at Rocafella, jpietrella, or unilover. It's a statement that across site, people just don't keep the same energy and never hold themselves/others to the same accountability across the board.

I would expect that those folks who act as self appointed guardians of classifieds (yes, much like I did for many years, I get the pot/kettle thing) haven't ever made short term gains in chipping.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Controversial Opinion 1: People that threadcrap someone making money in a classified listing should keep that same energy and threadcrap every off site find, NAGB, and flipping classfied listing by unknowns and friends alike.

Controversial Opinion 2: Hasn't changed since my opinion on Day 1, moderation is a toothless, opaque, socially driven tool.


And because I completely agree with FestiveKnights post, cause for opinion here:

Not for or against anything in this sale (https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/lco-100-rack-2000.129996/), but with the amount of threadcrapping/classified oversight watching people do, you'd think this is the most kind, generous, community driven site ever.

The amount of tongue in cheek threadcrapping, linking of other threads, etc. is beyond mindblowing. This is not a thinly veiled shot at Rocafella, jpietrella, or unilover. It's a statement that across site, people just don't keep the same energy and never hold themselves/others to the same accountability across the board.

I would expect that those folks who act as self appointed guardians of classifieds (yes, much like I did for many years, I get the pot/kettle thing) haven't ever made short term gains in chipping.
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I’ve always agreed with one of your previous takes on this. People should have to list where they got the chips and for how much.

And if you’re gonna flip chips, at least pretend you’re a chipper and make up a reason why you got the chips and are moving on. Blatant attempt at thievery without conning is just sad
 
extreme517 said:
I know "yellow" is in the name "arc yellow", but that color strikes me as an orange and that's always how I have considered that color. I know people often use CPC arc yellow for $5s, but I still think of it as an orange chip.

That said, there are tons of Vegas orange fracs and it strikes me as the most common 25c Vegas frac color (not that we see many 25c chips anymore). So, to me it makes perfect sense colorwise. Also, I feel it makes sense to have a frac that pops a bit. The arc yellow is super bright, but the soft warm colors of the spots on the Faro Dunes frac help to temper that a bit. I like an orange/pink/purple frac for Vegas colored sets. I don't understand all the people that discuss on here using blue for a frac with a white dollar or white frac with blue dollar. That seems odd to me. Just use either white or blue for your $1. And if you can't decide, white with blue spots or blue with white spots seem to show up all the time on $1 chips.


The $100 is a throw-away for small cash games and will rarely if ever hit the table unless necessary, but is a great option to add to the overall bank of a set. So, it really doesn't matter how it sits with the other chips. If people are playing 25c/50c and a $100 eventually hits the felt, everyone will know it and that 8v will certainly be noticed.

Spot patterns clashing is kind of exactly what they should do in my mind and what you see on casino chips. The spots on this Faro Dunes set make each chip distinct when looking at stacks and you do get a heavy dose of the base color in the stacks and the base colors definitely stand apart. The frac/$1/$5 base colors pop really well. The $25 green is dark and breaks that trend and won't be mistaken.

The hot stamps are cheaper than inlays and have a cardroom feel to them in my opinion. They also don't cover up as much of the clay and we all like clay, right? They allow the base colors to be very prominent in this set and the subdued spots do their job while not taking away from that.

I think the Faro Dunes sets are absolutely intended to be used as is and just got done playing multiple days with them. There was no confusion about chip values or anything and these were super fun to play with. That said, people can do whatever they want with any chip they want. These can be restamped pretty easily. If someone wants to mill, they can do that. There is absolutely an aesthetic side to all of this and if the set doesn't work for you then no harm, no foul. I will say these chips hit me immediately upon actually playing with stacks of them...very vibrant, rich clay colors that definitely don't come through in the photos the way they do in person. Photography is tricky...lighting/time of day/color of background or felt/reflection off of the foil potentially muting the chip colors in photos, etc. In actual play, I rarely noticed the stamps unless grabbing a chip and holding it up to look at it. All I generally saw was stacks of beautiful, vibrant clay colors.


Yeah, I think the price point in some part is due to hot stamps. If someone wants to murder, you're getting clay cheaper than inlaid chips. Yes, I am with you that more is better and glad to see projects make it to fruition. Not every project can be for everyone or hit a sweet spot with everyone. So, more and variety is only a good thing.

I think the design choices were wide open, but everyone has different design parameters/sensibilities. I think you will see the frac in person with the rest of the cash set and see that it is a great color. I agree that these feel like a casino set to me and I really like that. That is not to take away anything at all from Tigers/Sunset Beach, etc. Those are works of art for sure. These just hit me in a way that feels real and right.

I truly wish everyone could play with stacks of these and I think you'd be instantly hooked or at least "get it" even if it's a set that isn't for you. My Paulson sets are worn RHC casino sets, so this set at a lower price point and being new mint THC is something I was interested in picking up. These are real deal Paulsons in every way.


I agree I generally have leaned toward a solid frac, but there are plenty of more recent examples of spotted casino fracs if they are bothered to be made. And, we certainly see spot patterns on these NAGB fracs because people probably like having something a bit more bold on the table if it was one of the three main denoms on the felt for home games. I will say that the purplish hued spots on the tri-moon frac do help to balance the chip and tone it down a bit and look great in stacks. I'm not a big fan of having too many fracs on the table, but these feel right and I actually want them out in reasonable piles. I still say these are orange to me and I see lots of examples of Nevada lighter orange colored fracs over the years. purples aren't used anywhere else in the cash set, so set this chip apart as well.


The $2 is great in play. It doesn't fit with the rest of the cash set, but wasn't intended to. The spot colors perfectly match this felt while the peach sits nicely on top. I would love a limit set of these, but already have big limit sets and haven't converted anyone locally into playing limit games...yet?!?

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All of the above is just my opinion and how the chips hit me after getting to handle stacks of them in play. As far as showing pics of the chips to my local friends that like to play, they are all about the blue $1 and that is true for this set as well. So, the average non-chipper opinion is this blue $1 rocks. It is the same exact blue as used on the Vegas MGM $1 for what it's worth. To me, the base clay colors are beautiful bold choices that are the predominant feature of the chips and let the clay really shine.

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I appreciate the lengthy insights from someone playing with them in person, read in full.

I have a sample in hand and I DO think the set is super cool overall, as I would consider all new clay.

You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villian you hated. I'm a huge proponent of "you like what you like", but some chippers have likely ruined me in part with hammering into me complimentary colors, spot progression, etc. :vomit: Like, orange and purple are complimentary colors, fact, but a yellowing orange with browning purple/red hues? That 1% of me that IS a chipper just can't get there.

Then again, I love split spotted, slippery oversize inlaid BCCs (mardi gras v2). Lol make it make sense, we're all just a bunch of crazy mofos who love chips and poker. Much love and looking forward to getting to play with these on felt one day.
 
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