Chip Quantity Question for 5c/10c through 25c/50c Cash Game (2 Viewers)

[dannyz]

For a max 10 player cash game, I am considering chips to cover both nickel dime games as well as a 25c/25c or 25c/50c game. I have a super friendly game where everyone is comfortable buying in $10 at a time so we'll do nickel dime. Other nights we will do 25c/25c and have max $20 buy-in. I have another group of friends who are a little more serious and would only be interested in a $50 buy in 25c/50c game. I am aware I may be trying to cover too much ground with a single set of cash chips, but there's a lot of overlap, so I think it can be done with 700 chips. Please help me see any blind spots in the plan, I used the PCF calculator based on a 10 person game (usually will be 6-8 players).

Based on what I have, if I were to increase to 800 chips, where would they best be added? Or should I be okay with what I've got?

Starting stacks for each game type:

• 5c/10c: $10 max with 15/17/5 of 5c/25c/$1 chips
  • Exactly 150 of the 5c chips covers 10 players
  • 170 25c chips needed for 10 players, get 200 to cover usage and higher levels <= workhorse chip at this level?
  • 50 $1 chips needed to start, but will be getting 225 to cover the higher levels
  • $5 chips may come into play but at this level and will have 100 on hand
• 25c/25c: $20 max with 16/16 of 25c/$1 chips
  • Will have $1400 in bank to support this level
  • If we want to go at least 100BBs I could also hand out a $5 chip to get to $25 but I hate giving a single qty chip if I can avoid it.
  • Exactly 160 25c chips needed, but will order 200
  • Exactly 160 $1 chips needed, but will order 225 <= workhorse chip
  • Will need a good amount of $5 chips as well
  • Will have some $25 chips but unlikely to need them at this level.
• 25c/50c: $50 max with 16/16/6 of the 25c/$1/$5 chips.
  • Will have $1400 in bank to support this level
  • Always give the 16/16 and top off with $5 chips up to the max $50
  • Again, 160 25c chips needed but will order 200
  • 160 $1 chips for starting stack needed, but will order 200 < also workhorse chip at this level? Is 225 enough?
  • 60 $5 chips needed to start, but will order 100. Is this enough at this level?
  • $25 chips will come into play, will have 25 on hand

Note: slight edit, shifting 25 $25 chips down to $1 level (225, up from 200), though total usable bank drops from $2000 to $1400

 

[allforcharity]

Your workhorses are going to be 0.25, 1 and 5. I would consider 200 of each.

The last 200 you can split between nickels and $25 to cover all your bank needs.

 

[Fran]

Hello, I know that it is not very popular in the US but have you consider a set with 10c and 50c chips ?
You can do easily :
NL10 with stack 10x10c, 18x50c
NL20 with stack 20x10c, 20x50c and 8x$1 (or 4x$2)
NL50 (blind 50c/50c) with stack 20x50c, 20x1€ and 4x5€ or 20x50c and 20x2€

 

[links_slayer]

You probably don't need more than 100 nickels, just give the first 5 people a stack and let them make change for the rest of the players, as needed.

Probably 200 quarters, 200-300 dollars, 100-200 fives, and maybe a stack or two of 25s if your 25/50c game plays big enough for them? That's a good place to start, imo.

 

[LeLe]

5c x 100
25c x 200
$1 x 200
$5 x 200
$25 x 80 & $100 x 20

It cover all 10-50NL

$1,300+ is not going to be enough if you planning for 25/50c stake

 

[dannyz]

5c x 100
25c x 200
$1 x 200
$5 x 200
$25 x 80 & $100 x 20

It cover all 10-50NL

$1,300+ is not going to be enough if you planning for 25/50c stake

$1400 is where it is now, not counting nickels. That's 28 max buy-ins. I was thinking that would be enough, but I could do another barrel of $25 to get to $2000 bank.

What starting stack would you suggest for 8-10 players of 5c/10c? I'm thinking the nickels will be used up quick if I only give out 10 (they will need them for small and big blinds) 10/18/5?

 

[dannyz]

You probably don't need more than 100 nickels, just give the first 5 people a stack and let them make change for the rest of the players, as needed.

Probably 200 quarters, 200-300 dollars, 100-200 fives, and maybe a stack or two of 25s if your 25/50c game plays big enough for them? That's a good place to start, imo.

That seems like an awful lot of $5s

 

[springbox]

$1400 is where it is now, not counting nickels. That's 28 max buy-ins. I was thinking that would be enough, but I could do another barrel of $25 to get to $2000 bank.

What starting stack would you suggest for 8-10 players of 5c/10c? I'm thinking the nickels will be used up quick if I only give out 10 (they will need them for small and big blinds) 10/18/5?

10/18/5 is what I do for 5c/10c and it works just fine. People do their post-flop betting almost entirely in quarters and dollars. More could be useful if it's a super limp-heavy game, or your players are inexperienced and not great at change making. Also, are you consistently at 10 players? 125x5c is enough for 8 people to have 15x5c, or enough for 5 to have 15x5c and 5 to have 10x5c.

If you do cut 50 x 5c chips, I'd add 25 $5s and 25 $25s, or 50 $5s. $1400 is enough bank if it matches your tables style of play, I know at the games I host only 2 or 3 players of 8 are willing to rebuy more than once, and some don't rebuy at all.

 

[louBdub]

Here

 

[detroitdad]

100 x .05 (or a NCV chip)
100 x .25
300 x 5
80 x 25
20 x 100

 

[dannyz]

Here

Based on that, I'm very close with this 700 chip set:

I'm also planning to cut the max buy-in to 100 big blinds vs 200 big blinds. Around here, a $1/3NL game will have a $300 max buy in, a $1/2NL has a $200 max buy in, etc... 200BBs is high in my opinion.

5c/10c Mapping - $10 Max Buy In through 25c/50c Mapping - $50 Max Buy In for 100 Big Blinds

Chips Needed - 700 Total Chips
100x 5c ($5)
200x 25c ($50)
200x $1 ($200)
150x $5 ($750)
50x $25 ($1,250)

Total Bank: $2,255

 

[detroitdad]

200BBs is high in my opinion.

You have to find out whatever works for your game. I think 100 bb's feels short. Especially at .25/.50. That is probably because my game doesn't play like it has .25/.50 blinds.

 

[dannyz]

100 x .05 (or a NCV chip)
100 x .25
300 x 5
80 x 25
20 x 100

I do like the idea of using one of my current tournament chips as my 5c chips. That would cut down on 100-150 chips I need to buy.

 

[dannyz]

You have to find out whatever works for your game. I think 100 bb's feels short. Especially at .25/.50. That is probably because my game doesn't play like it has .25/.50 blinds.

I can see that. My friendly game is very limp call heavy. My 25c/50c game is standard 3-4x come in bets. I've been part of 1/3NL games though where a come in is $25... eye roll. Have you considered raising your blinds?

 

[Eriks]

Based on that, I'm very close with this 700 chip set:

I'm also planning to cut the max buy-in to 100 big blinds vs 200 big blinds. Around here, a $1/3NL game will have a $300 max buy in, a $1/2NL has a $200 max buy in, etc... 200BBs is high in my opinion.

5c/10c Mapping - $10 Max Buy In through 25c/50c Mapping - $50 Max Buy In for 100 Big Blinds

Chips Needed - 700 Total Chips
100x 5c ($5)
200x 25c ($50)
200x $1 ($200)
150x $5 ($750)
50x $25 ($1,250)

Total Bank: $2,255

I think that bank might be short for 25/50c, not to mention 1/2 or 1/3. I run the equivalent of a 0.2/0.5 and we’ve had more than that bank on the table for a single table 8-handed game

 

[dannyz]

No plans to run 1/2 or 1/3. Sorry if I confused. I play in other 1/3 games but wouldn't be hosting any myself. I think my solution to that growth "problem" in a 25c/50c game would be to add 50x more $25 and 25x $100s (moves bank up to $6000)

 

[allforcharity]

100 x .05 (or a NCV chip)
100 x .25
300 x 5
80 x 25
20 x 100

And not a single $1! (heh)

 

[Colquhoun]

Based on that, I'm very close with this 700 chip set:

I'm also planning to cut the max buy-in to 100 big blinds vs 200 big blinds. Around here, a $1/3NL game will have a $300 max buy in, a $1/2NL has a $200 max buy in, etc... 200BBs is high in my opinion.

5c/10c Mapping - $10 Max Buy In through 25c/50c Mapping - $50 Max Buy In for 100 Big Blinds

Chips Needed - 700 Total Chips
100x 5c ($5)
200x 25c ($50)
200x $1 ($200)
150x $5 ($750)
50x $25 ($1,250)

Total Bank: $2,255

I agree with 100 of the 5c when it’s only the small blind…but you say it’s a limp-heavy game of 5c/10c. You might be better with 160+ of the 5c.

 

[links_slayer]

That seems like an awful lot of $5s

I guess it depends how your 25c/50c game plays...

 

[tallsbutler]

This thread is legendary as a reference as well:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ut-a-cash-game-chip-set-5c-10c-to-5-10.30897/

I’ve based lots of set choices on this. Hope it helps.

JB

 

[tallsbutler]

This thread is legendary as a reference as well:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ut-a-cash-game-chip-set-5c-10c-to-5-10.30897/

I’ve based lots of set choices on this. Hope it helps.

JB

Whoops! Looks like @louBdub beat me to it. Well done.

 

[louBdub]

Whoops! Looks like @louBdub beat me to it. Well done.

It’s the go to my man! That thread helped me when I first started out

 

[tallsbutler]

It’s the go to my man! That thread helped me when I first started out

Same! I still reference it all the time.

 

[BGinGA]

No plans to run 1/2 or 1/3. Sorry if I confused. I play in other 1/3 games but wouldn't be hosting any myself. I think my solution to that growth "problem" in a 25c/50c game would be to add 50x more $25 and 25x $100s (moves bank up to $6000)

A typical 25c/50c game will play much better with more $5 chips. Adding $25s (and/or $100s) when already short on $5s will just choke the game. A bigger bank is useless if it doesn't contain the chips that are needed for efficient and enjoyable game play.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Based on that, I'm very close with this 700 chip set:

I'm also planning to cut the max buy-in to 100 big blinds vs 200 big blinds. Around here, a $1/3NL game will have a $300 max buy in, a $1/2NL has a $200 max buy in, etc... 200BBs is high in my opinion.

5c/10c Mapping - $10 Max Buy In through 25c/50c Mapping - $50 Max Buy In for 100 Big Blinds

Chips Needed - 700 Total Chips
100x 5c ($5)
200x 25c ($50)
200x $1 ($200)
150x $5 ($750)
50x $25 ($1,250)

Total Bank: $2,255

No plans to run 1/2 or 1/3. Sorry if I confused. I play in other 1/3 games but wouldn't be hosting any myself. I think my solution to that growth "problem" in a 25c/50c game would be to add 50x more $25 and 25x $100s (moves bank up to $6000)

Take the advice of @BGinGA I play in a pretty splashy 25c/25c and 50c/50c game, and the $25 chips only make an appearance after at least $1500 is on the table. $25s don't play well in a game with blinds that low. A good lower stakes game needs a minimum of 200 $5s, and 300 is even better. It's not the total bank that counts, it's the playable bank. Over half your $2,255 bank is $25 chips which are mostly unusable. Your players are going to want big stacks of $1s and $5s to keep your 25c/50c games moving.

Also, when you do move up from nickel/dime to 25c/50c, you only want about 100 quarters on the table. Good rule of thumb is to always limit your lowest denomination to 100 chips, unless your game has a lot of limping and min raises.

 

[Nine_high]

My 9-max 25c/50c game typically has the following in play by the end:

100 x quarters
150 x singles
200 x fives
20-60 x twenties

We usually get $1,500-$2,000+ in play depending on the players that night. I start eight people with 12/17/x/0, ninth guy gets 4/14/1+x/0. Rebuys in all fives then twenties. If I allowed a tenth player he'd just get all fives.

I don't have nickels, but I imagine it would play out roughly the same just shifted down one denomination. I would start everyone with 10/14/6/0 for a $10 buy in. Rebuys all ones then fives after you run out.

At a minimum I'd want 100/150/200/200/50 to cover all these stakes. Gets your bank a little north of $2.4k so you have some headroom for growth in your 25c/50c game. If you want more small stuff then I'd go with 800 and add 50 each of nickels and quarters to start people with 15/17/5/0.

The suggestion of going dime/fiddy is an intriguing one. I occasionally set up with my fiddies and play 50c/50c. It's remarkably smooth especially if you get into pot limit games. Plus you can get away with far fewer of them. Adding dimes for the low stakes seems natural here. Play 10c/10c, 10c/20c, 10c/30c, or 50c/50c. It looks analogous to a T100 tournament setup. You have options, but it looks like you're buying in sleeves of 25 chips so I'd probably go with:

150/75/200/200/75, 700 chips, gets your bank over $3k.

For dime games ten players each get 15/7/5-15-20/0-0-1/0 for $10-$20-$30 buy ins, then exhaust your ones and move onto fives with rebuys. For the 50/50 game you don't need more than 6 fiddies per player: 0/6/17/6/0 but you do have a few extra if you want to put them out.

Good luck!