Bets placed across line or in the pot? (3 Viewers)

[Colquhoun]

Strange question...where are your player's bets being placed in your home game setting?
I get it with a dedicated dealer in a casino, a bet is placed over the line and the dealer gathers bets between streets.
In a home setting, whoever is dealing should do this, but more often, it's much looser. Players counting out bets in front of them and pushing to the pot, some making mini-pots that seem to pile up between streets, or players betting directly into the pot.

What are your rules, and how strict are you about bet placement?

 

[LowerBama1714]

Strange question...where are your player's bets being placed in your home game setting?
I get it with a dedicated dealer in a casino, a bet is placed over the line and the dealer gathers bets between streets.
In a home setting, whoever is dealing should do this, but more often, it's much looser. Players counting out bets in front of them and pushing to the pot, some making mini-pots that seem to pile up between streets, or players betting directly into the pot.

What are your rules, and how strict are you about bet placement?

Put in front of you across the line until the betting is done…then make a pile.

 

[calfdemon]

Put in front of you across the line until the betting is done…then make a pile.

This

 

[Beakertwang]

Never directly into the pot. It took some time, but I finally got my players to stop splashing the pot, making change before the betting is done, and other bad habits. The betting line is a good marker if you have one, but common sense practices work fine if not.

 

[EmptyPocs]

For your game I think bitch slapping is acceptable.

 

[Silver_Fiend]

Put in front of you across the line until the betting is done…then make a pile.

this.

 

[EmptyPocs]

Tommy deleted this
yeah, really,..

 

[DoubleEagle]

Never directly into the pot. It took some time, but I finally got my players to stop splashing the pot, making change before the betting is done, and other bad habits. The betting line is a good marker if you have one, but common sense practices work fine if not.

Never could break my group of this. They thought it was stupid.

 

[davesilver88]

My crew typically places it in front of them, then moves it to the pile.

Before the game starts I find it helpful to remind people of some poker etiquette that makes the game smoother (next dealer shuffles the second deck, always offer a cut to the right, place your bets in front of you).

My last game we had a couple of pot splashes, no penalties just reminders to try not to do it. But more importantly, reminders of why they shouldn’t do it. Once people understand and accept the why, they tend to stop.

 

[cpac54]

Put in front of you across the line until the betting is done…then make a pile.

This. Always this.

 

[DontKnowWhen]

Put in front of you across the line until the betting is done…then make a pile.

How it should be done...

Players counting out bets in front of them and pushing to the pot, some making mini-pots that seem to pile up between streets, or players betting directly into the pot.

...And how it's actually done at our game. Of course, followed by "now what's the bet?" or "how much to call?"

Fortunately our group has played together a long time and someone always catches the short bets and makes sure the pot is right.

 

[Nine_high]

Strange question...where are your player's bets being placed in your home game setting?
I get it with a dedicated dealer in a casino, a bet is placed over the line and the dealer gathers bets between streets.
In a home setting, whoever is dealing should do this, but more often, it's much looser. Players counting out bets in front of them and pushing to the pot, some making mini-pots that seem to pile up between streets, or players betting directly into the pot.

What are your rules, and how strict are you about bet placement?

I put a betting line on my table and the players took to it immediately. I always sit in a middle seat for banking and pot management purposes. My players are getting good about helping with this when someone on an end seat is dealing, like waiting for action to close then scooping bets etc.

Waiting for action to close to make change is still a work in progress ...I'm starting to lose hope on that one

 

[allforcharity]

Chips into pot after action concluded, otherwise can be challenging to track multiple raises and side pots if put in too early.

 

[lane_robert_s]

Agree with the consensus.

In our home game bets are placed in front of us until the end of the betting round too.

It's a self delt game and we don't make the dealer gather the chips (partly because the dealer may he at one end of the oval table). So a few people push from each side.

 

[TheYeti]

My crew typically places it in front of them, then moves it to the pile.

Before the game starts I find it helpful to remind people of some poker etiquette that makes the game smoother (next dealer shuffles the second deck, always offer a cut to the right, place your bets in front of you).

My last game we had a couple of pot splashes, no penalties just reminders to try not to do it. But more importantly, reminders of why they shouldn’t do it. Once people understand and accept the why, they tend to stop.

What exactly did you tell them for the reason? It seems no matter what I tell my crew, they won't stop splashing!

 

[ekricket]

Waiting for action to close to make change is still a work in progress ...I'm starting to lose hope on that one

This is a hard one too. We play with a couple players that will sometimes wait, but they keep their finger on the overvalue chip until they get their change if they have to wait. Weird but whatever.

One of the quickest ways to get me to preflop raise is for someone to make change before the action is on me. I’ll raise it every time just to point out the confusion that results.

 

[Silver_Fiend]

What exactly did you tell them for the reason? It seems no matter what I tell my crew, they won't stop splashing!

Swap out your chips for bicycle interlocking plastics. Ask them which theyd rather play with.

 

[Bacon Dad]

One of the quickest ways to get me to preflop raise is for someone to make change before the action is on me. I’ll raise it every time just to point out the confusion that results.

@ekricket
Can you elaborate please? Where does the confusion come in? Is it about the timing?

 

[TheOffalo]

Yeah I’m a little confused about the confusion too. We play .25/.50 and I do get annoyed if someone takes change from a previous blind after putting out a $1. But even if the person doesn’t take change there’s still a $1 out there that someone else might mistake for a raise, so there could be confusion as to the bet size either way…

…Unless he meant confusion about who’s in the hand because someone’s bet/blind is missing due to the change-making.

 

[Nine_high]

Yeah I’m a little confused about the confusion too. We play .25/.50 and I do get annoyed if someone takes change from a previous blind after putting out a $1. But even if the person doesn’t take change there’s still a $1 out there that someone else might mistake for a raise, so there could be confusion as to the bet size either way…

…Unless he meant confusion about who’s in the hand because someone’s bet/blind is missing due to the change-making.

It's so much clearer who's in and for what if posted bets aren't getting altered. Especially once raises start happening. Let's say it gets raised a couple times, now each player just has to make it look like $6. Hard to do when players have amounts out front that are inaccurate, like a player with 0 who is in for $.50 and a player with $1 who is in for $.50 (and that extra $.50 isn't his). If someone folds, the dealer just needs to know the last amount they were in for and can give change at close of action.

It's even worse when some people are doing it right because now the dealer has to figure out who still need change and who already took theirs.

Players shouldn't be taking chips from other players bets, or the pot. Only the dealer.

 

[ekricket]

Yeah I’m a little confused about the confusion too. We play .25/.50 and I do get annoyed if someone takes change from a previous blind after putting out a $1. But even if the person doesn’t take change there’s still a $1 out there that someone else might mistake for a raise, so there could be confusion as to the bet size either way…

…Unless he meant confusion about who’s in the hand because someone’s bet/blind is missing due to the change-making.

Lol you literally pointed out at least two areas of confusion.
Things are muddied, who is in the hand, who has raised, why is there one bet but two hands, who got their change and who still might need change, it’s a mini clusterfuck. It even causes confusion on poker chip related websites.

 

[ekricket]

It's so much clearer who's in and for what if posted bets aren't getting altered. Especially once raises start happening. Let's say it gets raised a couple times, now each player just has to make it look like $6. Hard to do when players have amounts out front that are inaccurate, like a player with 0 who is in for $.50 and a player with $1 who is in for $.50 (and that extra $.50 isn't his). If someone folds, the dealer just needs to know the last amount they were in for and can give change at close of action.

It's even worse when some people are doing it right because now the dealer has to figure out who still need change and who already took theirs.

Players shouldn't be taking chips from other players bets, or the pot. Only the dealer.

For those that are determined to make change instantly I try to train them to take it from the pot but put the correct bet back in front of them.
Don’t just drag your neighbors $.50,
1. pull the .50 change back
2. put your dollar(or whatever large chip) in the pot
3. and pull .50 back in front of you from the pot for your bet.
If you are going to assume the dealers responsibility then do it right.

 

[Nine_high]

Lol you literally pointed out at least two areas of confusion.
Things are muddied, who is in the hand, who has raised, why is there one bet but two hands, who got their change and who still might need change, it’s a mini clusterfuck. It even causes confusion on poker chip related websites.

Happened to me the other night. Host is in the BB (200/400), he puts up a 500 and swipes 100 off the SB. UTG raises, I'm in the HJ and jam for 3200, folds back to host who calls and makes his bet look like 3200. I say the pots not right, you still owe the 100 you took off the SB. Everyone thought I was nuts, his bet is good, no one had a clue. I swear it took me 5 min to convince UTG the pot was light and then finally everyone else figured it out too and host fixed it. It was indeed a mini cluster fuck.

Had he left his 500 in there and not touched the SB the discrepancy would have just resolved itself when he called me.

The key I think is that any excess sitting on a bet belongs to that player, no one else. Then it's easy to rectify, regardless if that player is in or out at close of action.