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[Dix]

Also, I've tried to stick with the minimalist riffle rather than one where after your riffle them you form an arced bridge before sliding them together. Looks nice but I figure more wear and tear =)

How you shuffle & how much of it is the largest factor in wear. Doing the "corner riffle" & the pushing the deck together is better for minimizing wear. On that front, I'm thinking that the Shuffletech I recently purchased is actually better than hand shuffling on that as well. (time will tell). As there's virtually no pressure on the cards during the entire process other than the weight of the deck itself.

 

[BGinGA]

Modiano 100%

Fuck those guys 100%.

 

[Gut_Shot_On_Da_River]

I really want to like the Desjgns because of the price point, the fact that they have jumbo bridges and the crap Modiano put on 'em. I've bought both the jumbo pokers and jumbo bridges but only about 3 sessions will show how they stand up to wear.

We don't use card shufflers and we use 2 decks per table, with one of the guys (usually me) shuffling to de-load the dealer. To lower the wear and tear I've taken to doing the bare minimum for the proper shuffle (wash-2 riffles, a strip, a riffle and a cut). I notice that I don't I usually wind up shuffling more than I have to. Also, I've tried to stick with the minimalist riffle rather than one where after your riffle them you form an arced bridge before sliding them together. Looks nice but I figure more wear and tear =)

Wow. So you've had considerable issues with wear as in fading or compromised card stock after only 3 session on your Desjgn decks?

I'm glad you said something about shuffling and I agree that this factor can have a lot to do with the speed at which cards wear. I personally prefer the side or corner riffle as well. However, my Da Vinici deck I talked about eariler was the product of peel, riffle, arched bridge which I'm pretty sure hammered it into camp fire material.

As I'm reflecting back, one of the my set ups that has for sure seen the most play and shown the least sign of ware/fading are my standard index 1546 Copag decks. Am I crazy here?

I've also been going back an forth with the notion that only myself and maybe a select few folks actually know how to shuffle properly. It makes me cringe thinking about using my nicer decks for this exact reason. Therefore, (and I know it's been talked about before here) I'm still narrowing down my options and/or retiring old decks strictly to tailor to my audience who abuse the cards. Maybe Copag are my default tired and true when it comes to this dilemma.

 

[surfik]

Addressing durability issue.
This is much to do with my live poker schedule. I organized games 3 times a week, about 10 hours a day so it make 100 - 120 hours a month. So this monthly threshold was a good indicator of how durable cards are. If a deck could not last this 1 - 1, 5 month period I disqualified a brand or edition. This reffered to Bicycle Prestige (before they started being probuced in Spain), Partypoker green edition by Cartamundi and Ace also by Cartamundi. I disqualified also Gemaco Superflex but the issue with them was not wearing of but the fact that they wear nail signs

 

[AnteAndy]

As I'm reflecting back, one of the my set ups that has for sure seen the most play and shown the least sign of ware/fading are my standard index 1546 Copag decks. Am I crazy here?

Same results with me. All decks of Prestige I own wear quickly than my Copags, which hardly fade at all. Used my Copags for a long time and they show very minuscule areas of wear that you can hardly notice until you actually look for them.

Doing the "corner riffle" & the pushing the deck together is better for minimizing wear.

One major factor of minimizing wear is how hard the cards are up against each other when pushing the cards together and straightening them.

When I do the riffle & bridge shuffle, I immediately turn the deck to one side and let the upper half of the deck cascade downwards into the bottom half on their own gently before lightly straightening them finishing the shuffle.

This is in contrast to how almost everyone else I know squeeze them tight and pushing the cards together. The latter effect is the most likely result of cards wearing since putting pressure between two cards together and sliding them would surely cause more wear than anything else. Hence why I avoid the usual casino shuffling method and just do the usual riffle shuffle 4-5 times before cutting the deck.

 

[surfik]

Copags are very strange cards. Durability of Copags is very much depandable on humidity of air. With high humidity in the air the paint wears of like snowflakes on the hot plate.

 

[Gut_Shot_On_Da_River]

For their own branded decks, Modiano use 2 different base stocks. A "standard" (I guess you could call it) they use for the Platinum line & the like (PA) & a thinner stock used for the cheaper "Texas Poker" line, which is also what Jason used for his old Desjgn decks.

Both are listed in the database & you can do all the comparisons for flex there.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/the-redneck-poker-card-database-2-0.76/

It's also worth noting that Modiano's manufacturing tolerances seem to be a bit "looser" than most. (& we won't get into Quailty Control issues again, some people's blood pressures are still yet to recover )

Thanks for the follow up. Good to know about the Modiano differences. I still feel like there is even a difference in stock between their Da Vinci's and Club Poker's but it could just be me. I haven't tired the Texas Holdem line but doesn't sounds like I'm missing out on much. Still pondering whether the PA's are even worth the coin.

Your card database has been a killer resource by the way.

 

[allforcharity]

Anybody know (or surmise) that Angel cards will be entering the North American market now that they own GPI?

 

[Dix]

I still feel like there is even a difference in stock between their Da Vinci's and Club Poker's

Difference between DaVinci & other upper grade Modiano is most likely just a difference in finish coatings. They could very well be on the same base stock.

Half a thousandth is effectively less than zero given who we're talking about.

Guild however, are definitely on a different stock. But then, they aren't a Modiano house brand, just printed by them.

 

[Gut_Shot_On_Da_River]

Addressing durability issue.
This is much to do with my live poker schedule. I organized games 3 times a week, about 10 hours a day so it make 100 - 120 hours a month. So this monthly threshold was a good indicator of how durable cards are. If a deck could not last this 1 - 1, 5 month period I disqualified a brand or edition. This reffered to Bicycle Prestige (before they started being probuced in Spain), Partypoker green edition by Cartamundi and Ace also by Cartamundi. I disqualified also Gemaco Superflex but the issue with them was not wearing of but the fact that they wear nail signs

What cards did you not disqualify (i.e. which ones are surviving through your monthly schedules without wear and fading)?

 

[surfik]

What cards did you not disqualify (i.e. which ones are surviving through your monthly schedules without wear and fading)?

From least durable... Cartamundi Tobago Club 2 - 3 months, Modiano Old Trophy 3 - 4 months, Fournier 2826 lasted over the year, Kem Arrow poker size over 3 years (deck is still good but a little gummy, I took it from table when one of guest players broke Queen of Spades but I managed to get replacement

 

[Phyffe]

How you shuffle & how much of it is the largest factor in wear. Doing the "corner riffle" & the pushing the deck together is better for minimizing wear. On that front, I'm thinking that the Shuffletech I recently purchased is actually better than hand shuffling on that as well. (time will tell). As there's virtually no pressure on the cards during the entire process other than the weight of the deck itself.

I would really love any sort of evidence either way that Shuffletechs are easier on wear. Let me know how that goes for you long-term.

 

[Hiboux]

Where to get Angel poker card ?
can’t find any !

 

[surfik]

Australia

 

[surfik]

Where to get Angel poker card ?
can’t find any !

I also want some

 

[surfik]

Maybe @xdan

 

[Hiboux]

And Cincinnati H Shoes By kem ,
Also interested....

 

[surfik]

Who is not...

 

[upNdown]

For their own branded decks, Modiano use 2 different base stocks. A "standard" (I guess you could call it) they use for the Platinum line & the like (PA) & a thinner stock used for the cheaper "Texas Poker" line, which is also what Jason used for his old Desjgn decks.

This is not completely true. I have a deck of desJgns on modiano stock in front of me and a deck of modiano texas poker in front of me and they're different stocks. The texture is different, the desJgn's feel flexier and the Modiano stack is visably taller. I don't know where you got that information - maybe modiano made different versions of texas poker? But they are different stocks.

 

[GianThaMan]

This is not completely true. I have a deck of desJgns on modiano stock in front of me and a deck of modiano texas poker in front of me and they're different stocks. The texture is different, the desJgn's feel flexier and the Modiano stack is visably taller. I don't know where you got that information - maybe modiano made different versions of texas poker? But they are different stocks.
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For their own branded decks,

 

[xdan]

I also want some

Angels are made in Japan.
They only deal with casinos unfortunately.

 

[upNdown]

Huh? Yeah, that's what he said - and that one of the two that they use for their brand was also used by desJgn.

 

[surfik]

I know for sure that Modiano used at least 3 different stocks of cellulose acetate, one for Platinium line, one for Texas, one for Cristallos
Desjgn made of Modiano remind me of Cristallos

 

[JMC9389]

I know for sure that Modiano used at least 3 different stocks of cellulose acetate, one for Platinium line, one for Texas, one for Cristallos

I agree with this. The stock on my Platinum cards feels thicker and more rigid than the Texas poker line.

 

[upNdown]

I know for sure that Modiano used at least 3 different stocks of cellulose acetate, one for Platinium line, one for Texas, one for Cristallos
Desjgn made of Modiano remind me of Cristallos

Oh shit. Those cards of mine are cristallos

 

[surfik]

Yes they are. Not sayin that they are same material.

 

[surfik]

Oh shit. Those cards of mine are cristallos

How long you been using these decks?

 

[upNdown]

How long you been using these decks?

I've owned them for four years, but they probably only have ten or 15 ours of play

 

[DMack]

Wanted to give a review of the Bullets, as I know there was some previous talk about them. A group of guys I play with started using them several games ago, and they have worn and faded worse than any other deck I’ve played with. The black dye of the clubs and spades has almost become unreadable. Just a heads up in case anyone was thinking of buying them.

 

[surfik]

Wanted to give a review of the Bullets, as I know there was some previous talk about them. A group of guys I play with started using them several games ago, and they have worn and faded worse than any other deck I’ve played with. The black dye of the clubs and spades has almost become unreadable. Just a heads up in case anyone was thinking of buying them.

talk to @Dix