Jimulacrum
Full House
Most I've seen in the purse at a home game was something like $15K spread over two tables.
Blinds were $0.25/0.50. Circus games.
Blinds were $0.25/0.50. Circus games.
They might not like the outcome if they try to hold up our game with machetes.Well $1500 is my personal record which is awful.
I was told an interesting story at the casino recently by a guy that was at a high stakes home game that got robbed by dudes wearing ski masks, armed with machetes. They had over $35,000 stolen. He had almost $5000 taken from him personally.
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People should be posting blinds too as that matters. My $0.50-$0.50 game has gotten over $3000 on the table before.
Blinds mean nada if it is no limit and you can buy in for 300-500 bbs
That is crazy at those stakes! What is the point of even having blinds? I’ve had $6K on the table for $1/2 and $14K for $2/5....single table of 10...My .25/.50 home games occasionally had over $6K on the table at the end of the night.
Blinds mean nada if it is no limit and you can buy in for 300-500 bbs
I’ve seen this explaination on this forum but I just can’t buy into to it. The purpose of the blinds is for players to be forced to risk something to see the flop. $.25/.50 with $300-500 stacks simply encourages most players to see the flop and, to me, changes the dynamic of the game in a way I’m not interested in playing. The more players seeing the flop the bigger the luck factor.Blinds are not meaningless in very deep-stacked games. Just because people are in for, say, $300 at $0.25/0.50 doesn't mean it may as well be $1/2.
Stack sizes form an upper boundary of how much may be bet, but it's the initial pot size that defines people's bet sizes throughout the hand. You get a lot more potential betting out of $300 with a $0.75 pot than with a $3 pot, and that means more room to interpret your opponents' actions and more potential for big moves to happen late in each hand.
And whereas all-in bets before the river are pretty common in "normal-stacked" NLHE (100–150BB), it would take some real maniacs to get 500BB+ stacks in the middle with any regularity, never mind with cards to come*. With the deeper stacks, you usually have to make decisions all the way through the end.
Granted, there's a diminishing return after a certain point. Playing $1/2 with $5K effective isn't dramatically different from playing with $3K; you're already deep in the nosebleed section. But the blinds do matter; the same stack sizes at $2/5 or $5/10 would be a different picture.
This can happen a lot more in split-pot circus games than in NLHE. However, split-pot circus games are almost all played pot-limit, so it still takes many raises (and thus decisions) to get there.
The more players seeing the flop the bigger the skill factor
I’ve seen this explaination on this forum but I just can’t buy into to it. The purpose of the blinds is for players to be forced to risk something to see the flop. $.25/.50 with $300-500 stacks simply encourages most players to see the flop and, to me, changes the dynamic of the game in a way I’m not interested in playing.
The more players seeing the flop the bigger the luck factor.
Have you ever actually played games as deep as you're describing? I have, and I can tell you that nosebleed-deep stacks do not generally encourage everyone to limp along (especially if the players are any good).
Relatively tiny blinds may seem to encourage everyone to play everything, but implied odds are what matters in deep-stack big-bet poker. And on the same note, reverse implied odds are hugely important.
Go ahead, try playing all kinds of garbage hole cards in NLHE with 1,000BB stacks. Let me know how that goes for you.
Nope. Not how it works.
The influence of chance or skill in a game is defined by a lot of things, but the number of players seeing the flop (with massive stacks behind) is not one of them. It's true that chance will more often determine who wins the pot if everyone sees the flop, but it doesn't tell you anything about how the money will change hands, and that's how you keep score in poker.
The truth is quite the opposite of what you've said. Nosebleed-stack big-bet poker is dominated by skill far more than the equivalent game, players, etc. with short or normal stacks.
The horror!
An Orioles fan?! He needs to be institutionalized immediately!
The world’s top anal-rapist!
I am just saying if you allow people to but in for 300-500 bb, you are going to get more money on the table.
AA vs KK is likely going all in most of the time.
People re buy for 500 bb and all of a sudden your 25c /50 c game has 750 on the table between two players. The point of the thread was talking about how deep your game plays and I was saying it doesn't matter what the blinds are, it matters what you are allowed to buy in for
That's true. It does matter how much you can buy in for as well. I allow rebuys up to 50% of big stack so that definitely makes a difference.Blinds mean nada if it is no limit and you can buy in for 300-500 bbs
Have you ever actually played games as deep as you're describing? I have, and I can tell you that nosebleed-deep stacks do not generally encourage everyone to limp along (especially if the players are any good).
Relatively tiny blinds may seem to encourage everyone to play everything, but implied odds are what matters in deep-stack big-bet poker. And on the same note, reverse implied odds are hugely important.
Go ahead, try playing all kinds of garbage hole cards in NLHE with 1,000BB stacks. Let me know how that goes for you.
Nope. Not how it works.
The influence of chance or skill in a game is defined by a lot of things, but the number of players seeing the flop (with massive stacks behind) is not one of them. It's true that chance will more often determine who wins the pot if everyone sees the flop, but it doesn't tell you anything about how the money will change hands, and that's how you keep score in poker.
The truth is quite the opposite of what you've said. Nosebleed-stack big-bet poker is dominated by skill far more than the equivalent game, players, etc. with short or normal stacks.
Quick someone tell Ivey and Patrick that they’re not playing real poker with deep stacks.I would never play in such a game and never heard of 500+ bb games outside of this forum. When cash NL was first spread in AC around 2004 or 2005 all my poker friends wanted to switch to it. Back then most people bought in for only $150 for $1/2 at home games and rarely over $200 at the casino (specifically Borgata where I played 90% of the time in AC). Those home games rarely had people shoving chips in. Gradually, over the years, $300 became more common in AC...but $200 the norm. 200BB is what is recommended by numerous professionals including Jon Little.
The request was made to allow $300 at our home game and it was allowed. The game plays COMPLETELY different. At a ten handed table 7 people seeing the flop is common. You can debate whether that requires more or less skill. I feel less as you have people calling with garbage random hands. It’s doesn’t take any skill to make flop a boat with 6 3. I guess you are arguing the skill comes in to know when to lay down your Ace high flush to the hidden boat. I say that’s BS.
Haha, for what some TV poker show? Cash? “Deep stack” traditionally just meant more than 100-200bbs. 500bb-1000bbs is pretty out if the norm...Quick someone tell Ivey and Patrick that’s their not playing real poker with deep stacks.
Haha, for what some TV poker show? Cash? “Deep stack” traditionally just meant more than 100-200bbs. 500bb-1000bbs is pretty out if the norm...
Bankroll management is an important part of the game. “Deeps stack” is a lot more about cracking made hands with hidden hands and draws. Exposing what would traditionally be 3-4 buyins all at once is a dubious practice IMO.
Now if I was a pro getting payed to play for tv...that may change my mind.
“Home game” is the key word. Because I live an easy drive from Atlantic City, most the of home games I hosted or played in over the years mimic what you would see in a casino because many of the players play or used to play in that environment. $1/2 games are capped at $300 in AC and $1000 for $2/5. I’ve heard there are deeper stack games offer occasionally at higher stakes but I don’t play that high. Nothing like 500- 1000 big blinds though. That is beyond normal “deep stack” and I think is a home game invention.Don't know about the norm in your area, but the homegames I usually play in allow unlimitied buy-ins or up to 500BB, one is restricted to 250BB. I ususally buy in for 250 to 400 BB. And it really depends on the players, if a .10/.20 game with 500BBs plays like a 1/2 or not. But no matter the post-flop action, preflop all-ins this deep are pretty rare.