What is The Most Cash You've Seen In a Home Cash Game? (1 Viewer)

Most I've seen in the purse at a home game was something like $15K spread over two tables.

Blinds were $0.25/0.50. Circus games.
 
And if you're going to rob a poker game where no one is likely to have a gun, and you have a few guys in on it, machetes will do. Way better for staying under the radar in the event someone tries to be a hero. Gunshots tend to be on the loud side.
 
Perthmike said:
Well $1500 is my personal record which is awful.

I was told an interesting story at the casino recently by a guy that was at a high stakes home game that got robbed by dudes wearing ski masks, armed with machetes. They had over $35,000 stolen. He had almost $5000 taken from him personally.

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They might not like the outcome if they try to hold up our game with machetes.
 
In my .25/.50 home games ($100 max), I think the most I've ever had in the bank was about $2000 for a rare two-table game. Usually my games are single table and don't get that big.

At SQM last month, I banked two tables of .25/.50 PL circus games on Saturday night. I never counted it, but I'm pretty sure the bank was well over $4K at its peak.
 
joker80 said:
Blinds mean nada if it is no limit and you can buy in for 300-500 bbs
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Blinds are not meaningless in very deep-stacked games. Just because people are in for, say, $300 at $0.25/0.50 doesn't mean it may as well be $1/2.

Stack sizes form an upper boundary of how much may be bet, but it's the initial pot size that defines people's bet sizes throughout the hand. You get a lot more potential betting out of $300 with a $0.75 pot than with a $3 pot, and that means more room to interpret your opponents' actions and more potential for big moves to happen late in each hand.

And whereas all-in bets before the river are pretty common in "normal-stacked" NLHE (100–150BB), it would take some real maniacs to get 500BB+ stacks in the middle with any regularity, never mind with cards to come*. With the deeper stacks, you usually have to make decisions all the way through the end.

Granted, there's a diminishing return after a certain point. Playing $1/2 with $5K effective isn't dramatically different from playing with $3K; you're already deep in the nosebleed section. But the blinds do matter; the same stack sizes at $2/5 or $5/10 would be a different picture.

This can happen a lot more in split-pot circus games than in NLHE. However, split-pot circus games are almost all played pot-limit, so it still takes many raises (and thus decisions) to get there.
 
Weekly .25/.50 NLHE max buy-in $80, rebuys range from $40-$80, the most we have had on the table is $1300.
Usually it is $900 range.
 
Jimulacrum said:
Blinds are not meaningless in very deep-stacked games. Just because people are in for, say, $300 at $0.25/0.50 doesn't mean it may as well be $1/2.

Stack sizes form an upper boundary of how much may be bet, but it's the initial pot size that defines people's bet sizes throughout the hand. You get a lot more potential betting out of $300 with a $0.75 pot than with a $3 pot, and that means more room to interpret your opponents' actions and more potential for big moves to happen late in each hand.

And whereas all-in bets before the river are pretty common in "normal-stacked" NLHE (100–150BB), it would take some real maniacs to get 500BB+ stacks in the middle with any regularity, never mind with cards to come*. With the deeper stacks, you usually have to make decisions all the way through the end.

Granted, there's a diminishing return after a certain point. Playing $1/2 with $5K effective isn't dramatically different from playing with $3K; you're already deep in the nosebleed section. But the blinds do matter; the same stack sizes at $2/5 or $5/10 would be a different picture.

This can happen a lot more in split-pot circus games than in NLHE. However, split-pot circus games are almost all played pot-limit, so it still takes many raises (and thus decisions) to get there.
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I’ve seen this explaination on this forum but I just can’t buy into to it. The purpose of the blinds is for players to be forced to risk something to see the flop. $.25/.50 with $300-500 stacks simply encourages most players to see the flop and, to me, changes the dynamic of the game in a way I’m not interested in playing. The more players seeing the flop the bigger the luck factor.

The $.25/50 game I’ve been playing and hosting for the last few years probably rarely has more than $600-700 in the bank ....but I’ve never really counted it in that game.
 
Old State said:
I’ve seen this explaination on this forum but I just can’t buy into to it. The purpose of the blinds is for players to be forced to risk something to see the flop. $.25/.50 with $300-500 stacks simply encourages most players to see the flop and, to me, changes the dynamic of the game in a way I’m not interested in playing.
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Have you ever actually played games as deep as you're describing? I have, and I can tell you that nosebleed-deep stacks do not generally encourage everyone to limp along (especially if the players are any good).

Relatively tiny blinds may seem to encourage everyone to play everything, but implied odds are what matters in deep-stack big-bet poker. And on the same note, reverse implied odds are hugely important.

Go ahead, try playing all kinds of garbage hole cards in NLHE with 1,000BB stacks. Let me know how that goes for you.

Old State said:
The more players seeing the flop the bigger the luck factor.
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Nope. Not how it works.

The influence of chance or skill in a game is defined by a lot of things, but the number of players seeing the flop (with massive stacks behind) is not one of them. It's true that chance will more often determine who wins the pot if everyone sees the flop, but it doesn't tell you anything about how the money will change hands, and that's how you keep score in poker.

The truth is quite the opposite of what you've said. Nosebleed-stack big-bet poker is dominated by skill far more than the equivalent game, players, etc. with short or normal stacks.
 
Jimulacrum said:
Have you ever actually played games as deep as you're describing? I have, and I can tell you that nosebleed-deep stacks do not generally encourage everyone to limp along (especially if the players are any good).

Relatively tiny blinds may seem to encourage everyone to play everything, but implied odds are what matters in deep-stack big-bet poker. And on the same note, reverse implied odds are hugely important.

Go ahead, try playing all kinds of garbage hole cards in NLHE with 1,000BB stacks. Let me know how that goes for you.



Nope. Not how it works.

The influence of chance or skill in a game is defined by a lot of things, but the number of players seeing the flop (with massive stacks behind) is not one of them. It's true that chance will more often determine who wins the pot if everyone sees the flop, but it doesn't tell you anything about how the money will change hands, and that's how you keep score in poker.

The truth is quite the opposite of what you've said. Nosebleed-stack big-bet poker is dominated by skill far more than the equivalent game, players, etc. with short or normal stacks.
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I am just saying if you allow people to but in for 300-500 bb, you are going to get more money on the table. AA vs KK is likely going all in most of the time. People re buy for 500 bb and all of a sudden your 25c /50 c game has 750 on the table between two players. The point of the thread was talking about how deep your game plays and I was saying it doesn't matter what the blinds are, it matters what you are allowed to buy in for
 
Probably be around $5,000 during my swinging bachelor days. Now if there's even close to $2,000 on the table, it gets heady for me!
 
joker80 said:
I am just saying if you allow people to but in for 300-500 bb, you are going to get more money on the table.
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Well, yes. That's precisely the point.

joker80 said:
AA vs KK is likely going all in most of the time.
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AA versus KK only happens rarely, probably a lot less than once on average per session. That said, the deeper the stacks relative to the blinds, the more likely KK will find a way to escape before it's all in the middle.

This bit is more about @Old State's assertion about luck versus skill. It's a good example of an area where skill can shine through with deep stacks, in a spot where it would almost never happen in short- or normal-stack NLHE. You may sometimes get an opportunity to dump the KK if it's $0.25/0.50 with $300 stacks. Not likely at $1/2, and all but impossible at $2/5.

joker80 said:
People re buy for 500 bb and all of a sudden your 25c /50 c game has 750 on the table between two players. The point of the thread was talking about how deep your game plays and I was saying it doesn't matter what the blinds are, it matters what you are allowed to buy in for
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The buy-in limits do matter a lot. I daresay they may matter more than the blinds in many games. But having $750 between two players at $0.25/0.50 is a very different picture than the same amount at $1/2 or $2/5. Though buy-in limits matter more, the blinds still matter quite a bit.
 
I played in a charity tournament with some of Dallas’s elite and a cash game broke afyerwards, there was roughly $60k on the table. One guy got a $15k marker and has to run home to get the cash on a break. Crazy.
 
joker80 said:
Blinds mean nada if it is no limit and you can buy in for 300-500 bbs
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That's true. It does matter how much you can buy in for as well. I allow rebuys up to 50% of big stack so that definitely makes a difference.
 
Jimulacrum said:
Have you ever actually played games as deep as you're describing? I have, and I can tell you that nosebleed-deep stacks do not generally encourage everyone to limp along (especially if the players are any good).

Relatively tiny blinds may seem to encourage everyone to play everything, but implied odds are what matters in deep-stack big-bet poker. And on the same note, reverse implied odds are hugely important.

Go ahead, try playing all kinds of garbage hole cards in NLHE with 1,000BB stacks. Let me know how that goes for you.



Nope. Not how it works.

The influence of chance or skill in a game is defined by a lot of things, but the number of players seeing the flop (with massive stacks behind) is not one of them. It's true that chance will more often determine who wins the pot if everyone sees the flop, but it doesn't tell you anything about how the money will change hands, and that's how you keep score in poker.

The truth is quite the opposite of what you've said. Nosebleed-stack big-bet poker is dominated by skill far more than the equivalent game, players, etc. with short or normal stacks.
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I would never play in such a game and never heard of 500+ bb games outside of this forum. When cash NL was first spread in AC around 2004 or 2005 all my poker friends wanted to switch to it. Back then most people bought in for only $150 for $1/2 at home games and rarely over $200 at the casino (specifically Borgata where I played 90% of the time in AC). Those home games rarely had people shoving chips in. Gradually, over the years, $300 became more common in AC...but $200 the norm. 200BB is what is recommended by numerous professionals including Jon Little.

The request was made to allow $300 at our home game and it was allowed. The game plays COMPLETELY different. At a ten handed table 7 people seeing the flop is common. You can debate whether that requires more or less skill. I feel less as you have people calling with garbage random hands. It’s doesn’t take any skill to make flop a boat with 6 3. I guess you are arguing the skill comes in to know when to lay down your Ace high flush to the hidden boat. I say that’s BS.
 
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Old State said:
I would never play in such a game and never heard of 500+ bb games outside of this forum. When cash NL was first spread in AC around 2004 or 2005 all my poker friends wanted to switch to it. Back then most people bought in for only $150 for $1/2 at home games and rarely over $200 at the casino (specifically Borgata where I played 90% of the time in AC). Those home games rarely had people shoving chips in. Gradually, over the years, $300 became more common in AC...but $200 the norm. 200BB is what is recommended by numerous professionals including Jon Little.

The request was made to allow $300 at our home game and it was allowed. The game plays COMPLETELY different. At a ten handed table 7 people seeing the flop is common. You can debate whether that requires more or less skill. I feel less as you have people calling with garbage random hands. It’s doesn’t take any skill to make flop a boat with 6 3. I guess you are arguing the skill comes in to know when to lay down your Ace high flush to the hidden boat. I say that’s BS.
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Quick someone tell Ivey and Patrick that they’re not playing real poker with deep stacks.
 
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SeanGecko said:
Quick someone tell Ivey and Patrick that’s their not playing real poker with deep stacks.
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:rolleyes: Haha, for what some TV poker show? Cash? “Deep stack” traditionally just meant more than 100-200bbs. 500bb-1000bbs is pretty out if the norm...
Bankroll management is an important part of the game. “Deeps stack” is a lot more about cracking made hands with hidden hands and draws. Exposing what would traditionally be 3-4 buyins all at once is a dubious practice IMO.

Now if I was a pro getting payed to play for tv...that may change my mind.
 
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Old State said:
:rolleyes: Haha, for what some TV poker show? Cash? “Deep stack” traditionally just meant more than 100-200bbs. 500bb-1000bbs is pretty out if the norm...
Bankroll management is an important part of the game. “Deeps stack” is a lot more about cracking made hands with hidden hands and draws. Exposing what would traditionally be 3-4 buyins all at once is a dubious practice IMO.

Now if I was a pro getting payed to play for tv...that may change my mind.
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Don't know about the norm in your area, but the homegames I usually play in allow unlimitied buy-ins or up to 500BB, one is restricted to 250BB. I ususally buy in for 250 to 400 BB. And it really depends on the players, if a .10/.20 game with 500BBs plays like a 1/2 or not. But no matter the post-flop action, preflop all-ins this deep are pretty rare.
 
PaulsonCollector said:
Don't know about the norm in your area, but the homegames I usually play in allow unlimitied buy-ins or up to 500BB, one is restricted to 250BB. I ususally buy in for 250 to 400 BB. And it really depends on the players, if a .10/.20 game with 500BBs plays like a 1/2 or not. But no matter the post-flop action, preflop all-ins this deep are pretty rare.
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“Home game” is the key word. Because I live an easy drive from Atlantic City, most the of home games I hosted or played in over the years mimic what you would see in a casino because many of the players play or used to play in that environment. $1/2 games are capped at $300 in AC and $1000 for $2/5. I’ve heard there are deeper stack games offer occasionally at higher stakes but I don’t play that high. Nothing like 500- 1000 big blinds though. That is beyond normal “deep stack” and I think is a home game invention.
I few of us started a $.25/.50 game a few years ago to get more friends and neighbor to try cash poker who are less comfortable with the game. If I allowed a $500 buyin none of those guys would play. Even $100 would be a game killer at those stakes with these people.
A $5000 buyin for $1/2 as mentioned earlier is absurd and can’t image happens often at any home game and certainly not in a casino.
I would never host or play blinds lower than .25/.50 and I wouldn’t think there would be pre flop all ins in your super high BB game. As I said before, I understand how deep stacks impact the game but there is “deep stack” poker and then there is something beyond that...which IMO is getting silly.

Didnt mean to derail the thread any more but for anyone new who is reading this and trying to get a home game together out there, don’t think that $5000 on the table for a .25/.50 game is normal. 100bb poker is still the standard and 150-300bb is normal “deep stack”.
 
For a $1/2 game 500BB is only $1k. I would imagine that as the game goes on late into the night and stacks consolidate that the average stack is easily in that range.

I have been playing in home games in my area for many years and it happens most of the time. Especially if the game isn’t raked. Rake would suck up a lot of that money and reduce the amount of BB per player.

Being able to play 500+ BB is a skill that is very important. Lots of people are used to getting it all-in with AK on an A or K high flop 100bb deep. That is usually going to be a mistake 500bb deep. And that is how I usually make a lot of money. Players don’t adjust properly to playing much deeper than normal. The reverse implied odds as already mentioned is a very important concept that many players don’t have to worry much about at 100bb.
 

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