PAHWM: Scarney edition (5 Viewers)

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@JMC9389 what happened after the turn?

 

[JMC9389]

Given the action, I took the check around to me as weakness from at least half the field.

I pot it, SB calls, BB folds, HJ hesitates and calls, CO calls quickly.

Last street brings in a 9 of diamonds on the good board, 8 on the bad board.

SB kept all 4 of his cards, HJ kept his two, and CO dropped one leaving him with one.

SB open jams and puts hero in the blender.

HJ thinks for 30 seconds and calls. CO snap calls.

Hero?

 

[Jimulacrum]

Fold.

 

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So that eliminates 888 as a hand.

Our high hand still loses to 999, JAA, AAA, AAAA, TT and splits the high with any other J.

I'm not putting our stack in to maybe get 1/4 back but possibly 0 back. I fold.

 

[CraigT78]

Fold.

Also, note to self - if I'm in a hand past the flop with @DrStrange I am also folding.

 

[DrStrange]

No, no @CraigT78 you absolutely don't fold. In fact you sometimes raise me.

In fact, we were playing Icelandic Scarney of all things at a meat-up where you jammed over my three-bet on the turn. You got a good river and ended up with half the pot.

Remembering good time, I need to get to another meat-up soon before I die -=- DrStrange

PS I see Hero found a way to fold. Me too.

 

[CraigT78]

No, no @CraigT78 you absolutely don't fold. In fact you sometimes raise me.

In fact, we were playing Icelandic Scarney of all things at a meat-up where you jammed over my three-bet on the turn. You got a good river and ended up with half the pot.

Remembering good time, I need to get to another meat-up soon before I die -=- DrStrange

PS I see Hero found a way to fold. Me too.

You can't have it every time!!

Come to Dallas in August, I've heard the Meetup is pretty good.

 

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You can't have it every time!!

Come to Dallas in August, I've heard the Meetup is pretty good.

Did you decide on dates for VI yet?

 

[raynmanas]

So that eliminates 888 as a hand.

Our high hand still loses to 999, JAA, AAA, AAAA, TT and splits the high with any other J.

it just occurred to me that 5555, 6666, and 2222 are out there too. the guy playing with 4 scares me.

I'm not putting our stack in to maybe get 1/4 back but possibly 0 back. I fold.

fold.

 

[Jimulacrum]

I'm not putting our stack in to maybe get 1/4 back but possibly 0 back. I fold.

This is really it for me. It's like having a bare nut low in O8, and there's multiway action that indicates a lot of strength—but even worse because this Scarney hand doesn't guarantee a piece of the pot.

Getting away from hands that are likely getting quartered or freerolled is a core split-pot skill.

 

[raynmanas]

this result is going to be hilarious when AAAA quarters 22

 

[JMC9389]

I won't leave you guys hanging.

I shake my head sadly and fold the jack face up.

Turns out SB owned my soul and turned over 10 A A for tens full of aces. HJ turned over A 10 for a lesser full house and CO won the low with a naked 2.

I would have won the high but my thought process was the same as the feedback I got. I'm likely quartered at best if not outright beat for the high with no chance at the low.

I had SB on either quad 10's with some other junk or a jack with a pair of aces. HJ surprised me most as I thought he was going for the low and he was going to get coolered with two 2's or 2/5 or something losing to a two or an ace that CO was holding.

SB owned my soul, told him good bet, and got that pot back and then some when I called Bum Bum a couple orbits later, all's well that ends well.

 

[BarrieJ3]

So for the folks that called post flop and then would fold.

You're essentially saying that you called the flop bets for.....the remaining combo turns of J/6 to discard, or JJ turn and J river on the keep board.

 

[JMC9389]

So for the folks that called post flop and then would fold.

You're essentially saying that you called the flop bets for.....the remaining combo turns of J/6 to discard, or JJ turn and J river on the keep board.

My thought process with potting the turn was that I may get value from two separate players holding 10's, which I was right about.

SB is a mostly tight, passive player in mixed games. He can be bullied with pressure but when he open jams, it's never a bluff. I think if he simply bet half pot, I would have called. A jam looked very strong there and talked me into folding the winning hand. He's astute enough to know that I probably had a jack as soon as I potted turn. Good play by him.

 

[CantSpellPoker]

Need more Scarney PAHWM's. Don't expect any from me, though. The amount of info you need to recall is ridiculous, I can't even do one for NLHE.

Oh, and I'd fold to the 4BB bet after the "flop." Although it would be hysterical to find out I was one of the players in this hand and did something entirely different... I don't think I had a part in this one, though.

 

[JMC9389]

Need more Scarney PAHWM's. Don't expect any from me, though. The amount of info you need to recall is ridiculous, I can't even do one for NLHE.

Oh, and I'd fold to the 4BB bet after the "flop." Although it would be hysterical to find out I was one of the players in this hand and did something entirely different... I don't think I had a part in this one, though.

Nah, this was from a game with my high school crew at Spencer's place. I never drink whiskey at @Irish 's. That was the giveaway this was a non PCF game

 

[BarrieJ3]

He's astute enough to know that I probably had a jack as soon as I potted turn. Good play by him.

I mean, he’s so far behind doing that, losing to a single J if I’m reading this right, in any hand.

He would have to be so super passive tight and this line being way out of character - despite the strength of his high, in scarney on this board it equals nothing more than a bluff catcher, which also makes no sense to jam with here.

I could see it I guess if this hand had huge dead money in the middle, but even then he’s only getting half *if* you fold and *if* no one else with 1/2 cards doesn’t show up with a J.

I’m not trying to be mean, cause I f*cking suck and like I said live and drinking I would play this horribly, but noones actions make any sense here imo.

It more so reads as a drunk hand where people are joking or going deep into the leveling stratosphere for giggles.

 

[JMC9389]

I mean, he’s so far behind doing that, losing to a single J if I’m reading this right, in any hand.

He would have to be so super passive tight and this line being way out of character, despite the strength of his high in scarney on this board it equals nothin more than a bluff catcher, which also makes no sense to jam with here.

I could see it I guess if this hand had huge dead money in the middle, but even then he’s only getting half *if* you fold and *if* no one else with 1/2 cards doesn’t show up with a J.

I’m not trying to be mean, cause I f*cking suck and like I said live and drinking I would play this horribly, but noones actions make any sense here from a

Right. The open jam made absolutely no sense unless he had something ridiculous like quad aces, quad 5's, quad 10's, or rivered quad 9's. Everything else is blocked based on information from discards.

 

[Jimulacrum]

So for the folks that called post flop and then would fold.

You're essentially saying that you called the flop bets for.....the remaining combo turns of J/6 to discard, or JJ turn and J river on the keep board.

This is why I've been saying it's a fold from the flop.

It's one of those hands where you have an outside chance at a golden parlay (J-J, 6-6, or 2-2 on the live turn, or J-6 on the dead turn). Sub-1% on all those outcomes. The outcomes you have a more realistic chance of hitting are all traps: jacks full like in OP's spot, 6s full, 2s full, a low of 12 or 14 points.

Better to just not draw in the first place.

 

[BarrieJ3]

This is why I've been saying it's a fold from the flop.

It's one of those hands where you have an outside chance at a golden parlay (J-J, 6-6, or 2-2 on the live turn, or J-6 on the dead turn). Sub-1% on all those outcomes. The outcomes you have a more realistic chance of hitting are all traps: jacks full like in OP's spot, 6s full, 2s full, a low of 12 or 14 points.

Better to just not draw in the first place.

Fo sho.

Reading sober, definite fold after flop.

But, sober or not, I prefer jammy jammy jam multiway all in pre

 

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I won't leave you guys hanging.

I shake my head sadly and fold the jack face up.

Turns out SB owned my soul and turned over 10 A A for tens full of aces. HJ turned over A 10 for a lesser full house and CO won the low with a naked 2.

I would have won the high but my thought process was the same as the feedback I got. I'm likely quartered at best if not outright beat for the high with no chance at the low.

I had SB on either quad 10's with some other junk or a jack with a pair of aces. HJ surprised me most as I thought he was going for the low and he was going to get coolered with two 2's or 2/5 or something losing to a two or an ace that CO was holding.

SB owned my soul, told him good bet, and got that pot back and then some when I called Bum Bum a couple orbits later, all's well that ends well.

He's a madman and I love it! Doing that in a multiway hand with 4 people still in on the river is not one I'd recommend lol. Though to be fair he figured the 2 card and 1 card player was only going for the low so you were his main target. Scarney is a huge game of information with so many cards visible. The action as it happens and how it happens is important and player profiles and behavior is also very important. I've definitely folded some scarney hands reluctantly that would have won, but in the long run it felt like the right play. Add in some drinks and it becomes even more complicated.

Love me some scarney just because of the action and the carnage. It's my crew's favorite game to play and even most of the NLHE folks are fast to adopt and adore it.

 

[CraigT78]

Did you decide on dates for VI yet?

Aug 19-22 - I'll get a thread up soon

 

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Aug 19-22 - I'll get a thread up soon

I thank you for scheduling it around my son's birthday lol. I'm in, lock it!

 

[DrStrange]

Hero's dilemma was foreseeable on the flop. Make a hand, it is one way and potentially chopping the high or second best. six outs, two cards on the turn - call it ~30% to improve Hero's hand. The flop call was a small mistake IMO, 4bb paid with something like 2bb-3bb value.

It is the turn bet that makes the hand hard. (to be fair, even checking the turn brings a river bet from the four-card hand and a raise from the one card hand anyway. Though checking turn saves hero 28bb)

Lots of villain data to be gained here. Debatable about who was the most adventuresome. I wonder if Hero has a reputation for folding in these chop-pot situations? Villains who learn to exploit such a thing, if it exists, are exceedingly annoying.

We would have to reconsider our decisions in the future if the guy with the under-full TTA was thinking he had a slow played winner. That's a pretty serious misunderstanding of hand strengths in this game.

Nice hand to post. Lots of fun -=- DrStrange

 

[chippitydoodah]

I wonder if Hero has a reputation for folding in these chop-pot situations? Villains who learn to exploit such a thing, if it exists, are exceedingly annoying.