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So I've been getting back into online PLO after several years, now playing PLO20/PLO50/PLO100 with probably close to 40k hands in the last few months. Maybe it would be fun to post some hands every now and then? Let's see how this one goes. :)

Hero in SB (124.15bb after posting small blind)
BB (112.2bb after posting big blind)

UTG (111.85bb) opens to 3.5bb
HJ (123.05bb) folds
CO (113.35bb) folds
BTN (143bb) calls 3.5bb

Hero has been dealt :9s::th::8d::9h: and action is on him with 8.5bb in the pot. What to do here? :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
If the BB is unlikely to re-raise, I’d see a flop.
 
I think given that the open came from UTG, BB shouldn't be 3betting anything but premium hands.
 
For me this spot is always a call. So, hero calls and BB also calls.

Flop is :9c::jc::ah: and the pot is 14bb. We are first to act with three players behind us.

Hero in SB (121.15bb) with :9s::th::8d::9h:
BB (109.7bb)
UTG (108.35bb)
BTN (139.5bb)

Check or bet? :)
 
I check.

Bottom set and effectively a gut shot in a four handed, raised pot on this board is a recipe for disaster. Even if I'm ahead right now, it's just barely. Easily could be against a better set, a wrap/better straight draw, and/or a flush draw. Sure we may be allowing some guys to "get there" by checking, but honestly this is just not a great spot. I'm checking, probably calling one bet, but if there's a raise I'm out.

Obviously if I have history with a player and know they're a maniac or whatever then my answer may change. I may even lead out some of the time depending on my image, who my opponents are, etc. But if this was my first hand at a new table with no prior knowledge of these players, this is just not the flop I'm looking for with this hand.
 
I think we can just play the hand as if it were against unknowns. The site where I play does not allow HUDs but does provide some stuff like VPIP, PFR, 3bet-% and AF, but I multitable so don't have too much time and just trying to focus on playing solid poker. If during a hand I'm about to take a particular stat into account, I will include that in the hand description before your action. :)
 
Check, then fold of facing a bet

We basicly want only 4 cards? 7 that is not a club and then the last 9?

10 or a Q does not give us the nuts? If the board pairs we are in trouble?
 
Gunnar said:
Check, then fold of facing a bet

We basicly want only 4 cards? 7 that is not a club and then the last 9?

10 or a Q does not give us the nuts? If the board pairs we are in trouble?
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I don't see the board pairing being a bad thing. Could be up against aces? Maybe. Jacks more likely. Jacks can be folded out here with aggression depending on the player.
 
mipevi said:
So I've been getting back into online PLO after several years, now playing PLO20/PLO50/PLO100 with probably close to 40k hands in the last few months. Maybe it would be fun to post some hands every now and then? Let's see how this one goes. :)

Hero in SB (124.15bb after posting small blind)
BB (112.2bb after posting big blind)

UTG (111.85bb) opens to 3.5bb
HJ (123.05bb) folds
CO (113.35bb) folds
BTN (143bb) calls 3.5bb

Hero has been dealt :9s::th::8d::9h: and action is on him with 8.5bb in the pot. What to do here? :unsure::unsure::unsure:
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POT!
 
Just chiming in to agree on the check/fold or check/call small bet. Lots of dirty outs and scary implied odds. Set over set is possible, sure, but also the flush and our straight may not be the nut straight.

9s, man, they never feel great. I just see myself getting in trouble.
 
If this hand is played for stacks, Hero is likely toast. His likely river results are almost all non-nutted hands.

If Hero thinks he can scare off better hands / draws with aggression, OK let go. Risking the 100BB+ stack to win 14BB, the table read needs to be spot on.

Me? I would rather see how interested/uninterested the rest of the table is via a check. Hero has the worst position, is he encountering a buzz saw or a cakewalk?

I fall into the check/fold camp if things get aggressive. This is not the flop Hero wanted, its "good" but just good enough to be a trap. -=- DrStrange
 
JMC9389 said:
I don't see the board pairing being a bad thing. Could be up against aces? Maybe. Jacks more likely. Jacks can be folded out here with aggression depending on the player.
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AJ
AA
JJ
A9
J9

If the board pairs there are a lot of combos that can have us in big trouble. Three players behind us. We can be very easily be dominated by two players here and be practically with one outer to win and a 3 outer to split.

So if we lead here and dont get re-raised we can eliminate AA but then we still have a lot of cards that give a us a good feeling before they stab us in the back. In Omaha hoping for thirds nuts or worse is a good way to get broke.

Dont get me wrong 89910 is a good hand to see a flop with but this is not the flop we are looking for. Bottom set where JJ is very much a live for the other three players, hands like with 10JQ
 
davislane said:
I cant wait to play in your home game someday!
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Real talk, I look at it like this.

Hero is out of position. Checking allows the other players to dictate how the hand goes. You want to put pressure on the club draws, KQ, A9, J9 type of hands. You want to protect the equity you do have and get the money in while you're ahead. Make those hands pay and make it painful to see more cards.

If things run out clean, you can keep putting pressure on the draws and JJ type of hands.

For the record, I'm folding to a repot or an ace, jack, or club coming on the turn. But a good deal of the time here, a set of 9's are ahead.
 
JMC9389 said:
Real talk, I look at it like this.

Hero is out of position. Checking allows the other players to dictate how the hand goes. You want to put pressure on the club draws, KQ, A9, J9 type of hands. You want to protect the equity you do have and get the money in while you're ahead. Make those hands pay and make it painful to see more cards.

If things run out clean, you can keep putting pressure on the draws and JJ type of hands.

For the record, I'm folding to a repot or an ace, jack, or club coming on the turn. But a good deal of the time here, a set of 9's are ahead.
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Real Talk, Im Australian and we have too much gamble in us. I have a set and I bet. As long as Im not drawing dead I have a chance to win!
 
mipevi said:
For me this spot is always a call. So, hero calls and BB also calls.

Flop is :9c::jc::ah: and the pot is 14bb. We are first to act with three players behind us.

Hero in SB (121.15bb) with :9s::th::8d::9h:
BB (109.7bb)
UTG (108.35bb)
BTN (139.5bb)

Check or bet? :)
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Check. You only have 4 nutted outs...non-club 7s and 9d. Your hand wins a small pot or loses a big pot. Proceed with caution.
 
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mipevi said:
For me this spot is always a call. So, hero calls and BB also calls.

Flop is :9c::jc::ah: and the pot is 14bb. We are first to act with three players behind us.

Hero in SB (121.15bb) with :9s::th::8d::9h:
BB (109.7bb)
UTG (108.35bb)
BTN (139.5bb)

Check or bet? :)
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With a very low SPR I would be committed to the pot and just looking to get the money in, that's not the case here. While our direct outs are not plentiful against AAxx/JJxx, there is a very good chance we have the best hand right now. But many draws have good equity and we are OOP. I'm hoping to keep the pot small, see what the turn brings and re-evaluate.

Hero checks
BB checks
UTG bets 11bb
BTN folds
Hero calls
BB folds

Turn card arrives, the board now reads :9c::jc::ah::6h: and there is 36bb in the pot. We are HU and first to act.

Hero in SB (110.15bb)
UTG (97.35bb)

Check or bet? :oops:
 
Agreed, that is a good turn card. Even so, still checking.

A hard decision may be coming. What to do if UTG pots? Hero is still in bad shape vs AAxx or JJxx, he is markedly better off than he was on the flop. The heart draw should be reasonably safe as the act of hearts is on the board. I am inclined to call a turn bet thinking top set might have to pay off a rivered flush or the nut straight.

This sort of hand reminds me why it is so bad to play a big hand out of position. -=- DrStrange
 
DrStrange said:
Agreed, that is a good turn card. Even so, still checking.

A hard decision may be coming. What to do if UTG pots? Hero is still in bad shape vs AAxx or JJxx, he is markedly better off than he was on the flop. The heart draw should be reasonably safe as the act of hearts is on the board. I am inclined to call a turn bet thinking top set might have to pay off a rivered flush or the nut straight.

This sort of hand reminds me why it is so bad to play a big hand out of position. -=- DrStrange
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You touched on it, but now seeing this go heads up, hero knows they're against AAxx and JJxx but also ahead to KKxx and QQxx hands that may have raised preflop.

If hero hits their gutter or a club comes on the river, I see a chance for hero to go for value or bluff depending on what comes to get the AAxx and JJxx combos to fold or hero call depending on the scenario.
 

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