FearlessFred
High Hand
I'm thinking of playing a .25/.25 cash game but noticed it would be impossible to open the now standard 2.5x, is this an issue for anyone?
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FF
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FF
It's the optimal opening size when playing a mathematically perfect strategy vs a computer.How is 2.5x the standard open in a cash game? Are you playing with very short stacks or something?
Ahh, got it, so it's the standard opener when all the fun has been sucked out of the game by solvers.It's the optimal opening size when playing a mathematically perfect strategy vs a computer.
You can and should deviate from the mathematically perfect solution vs players who are not playing optimally to exploit their mistakes.
So if they are calling the optimal size too wide, you can open bigger to maximally exploit those tendencies. You should however tighten up your opening range to account for the bigger size since there isn't as much post flop play and speculative hands like suited connectors go down in value.
Correct.Ahh, got it, so it's the standard opener when all the fun has been sucked out of the game by solvers.
I see your point. But there are people who enjoy (it's their fun) a focus on maxing profit by approaching GTO. One can get too focused on that and play suboptimally.Let's all sit around the poker table and try to do just what a computer program thinks we should. Won't that just be a ripping kick-in-dick??!!
That's where over bet sizes on turn and river come into play.I really think stack sizes matter. If you are sitting 200bb deep and you open to 2.5x then how do you get all the money in on the river?
What do your players think? My experience is most players will just round up an open 3x instead without a ton of impact. And that's probably a reasonable adjustment given SB + BB = 2BB instead of 1.4BB in this case.I'm thinking of playing a .25/.25 cash game but noticed it would be impossible to open the now standard 2.5x, is this an issue for anyone?
Thanks
FF
BS! I can't believe this tread has been going this long and no one mentions the already established and across the board agreed on standard raise ofI just raise pi.
Is that really the goal in deep stack cash games? Honest question.I really think stack sizes matter. If you are sitting 200bb deep and you open to 2.5x then how do you get all the money in on the river?
GTO is maximizing profit if your opponents are approaching playing optimally... and have the capability to adjust their play to yours. If you are playing against opponents that are not observant, playing in a way that is exploitable will get you maximum profits. i.e. If they won't exploit you, play in a manner that is exploitable.I see your point. But there are people who enjoy (it's their fun) a focus on maxing profit by approaching GTO. One can get too focused on that and play suboptimally.
Excellent question, I would think by design, playing deeper is to limit all in pots. Which I imagine is how are you thinking it too.Is that really the goal in deep stack cash games? Honest question.
Maybe?Excellent question, I would think by design, playing deeper is to limit all in pots. Which I imagine is how are you thinking it too.
I might argue it's more important to think it terms of getting it all in the on the river in tournaments, but only because inevitably tournaments become shallow by design. It's the only way to eliminate all but one player in the end. Earlier in tournaments if stacks are deep I can understand a goal of "getting as may chips as in as possible" in certain positions whether or not that's actually all-in.I do have a lot of experience playing deep stacked tournaments, and I know “getting it all in on the river” really isn’t a consideration as it often is in cash games. I’m not sure if that is because of the deep stacks or because of a fundamental difference between cash and tournament.
The short answer is Yes.Is that really the goal in deep stack cash games? Honest question.