Windwalker’s Chipping Journey in Pr0n0grAph1C Detail (13 Viewers)

So, it happened sooner and more suddenly than I thought.

Even though I'm currently (with paid intern) in the process of cataloging and documenting my collection, I am engulfed with a bout of what I can only describe as "chipping anhedonia". The excitement of a new set or discovery doesn't seem to bring about the same joy, and while I used to refresh the classifieds with the fervent vigor of a caged bull, I am so less inclined to do so nowadays.

In speaking with a friend about it, it’s possible that I got to the depths of my collection too quickly; and upon reflection, it's possible that I'm just somewhat bored with what's available...but it eventually led to the question of what I'm actually going to do with all these chips. It’s also entirely possible that a combination of work stress and too much poker has created a bit of “enough is enough” syndrome.

I still love hosting games with different sets, but the subset of players who enjoy them as much as I do are infinitesimally small, compared to the gambling degens who I tend to play with week after week; which is probably why I like meetups so much, its a chance to sit with like-minded people and play with, discuss and ogle over amazing chippies.

I've seen notes from people like @Perthmike and others who speak of a similar decline in passion, but that usually comes after years of doing it. Didn't think it would happen quite so quickly for me. While I still love them, I can feel myself making excuses when I'm about to take on a difficult / extensive pr0n shoot, for example, and that wasn't the way I was just a few months ago.

I'm hoping @k9dr 's SQM meetup will re-energize me some, or perhaps these lulls are common, and the love does come in peaks and valleys.

Only posting this because this thread was started to document my chipping journey, and I think this lull is a worthwhile event to notate and ponder over.

More to come, I suppose.
Interesting you post this now.

When you posted this picture (quoted below), I was going to ask what is keeping you going collecting when seemingly no set is out of reach, and you'd likely need a year plus to get every set you do have into play. I'm not coming from a place of judgement, rather just some curiosity about why the desire to continue acquiring? Thrill of the hunt/score, especially in a hard to find set? Was it for "completeness" of the collection? Eye candy for display?

For me, I'm basically done acquiring sets (famous last words, I know). I've got my dream tourney CPC set, and heck of a cash BCC set, another silly Cards mold cash set and then on top of that guys in my group locally have PNY, PCA and Twains that we can get into rotation anytime we want. I think we all reach that point somewhere along the line where the thrill of the hunt/acquisition wears off for a few reasons. For me the utility of a new set would be negligible, and thus I'm not seeking it out.

For me, my chipping vocation (lol) is now making my skills available for the members here to get their dream sets.
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Interesting you post this now.

When you posted this picture (quoted below), I was going to ask what is keeping you going collecting when seemingly no set is out of reach, and you'd likely need a year plus to get every set you do have into play. I'm not coming from a place of judgement, rather just some curiosity about why the desire to continue acquiring? Thrill of the hunt/score, especially in a hard to find set? Was it for "completeness" of the collection? Eye candy for display?

I was just re-reading an "almost essay" I wrote on the forum close to a year ago, about why we collect things and why the prices keep going up. I'm reposting it here, because some of it answers your questions above.




As the individual who has arguably spent the most money on PCF in the last few months on buying chips, I thought I’d share my perspective on some of the issues raised. I believe these kinds of debates are essential to a collecting community, and it’s interesting to see the factions of opinions that exist.

A gentleman stated in an earlier post that “prices I am seeing are just straight stupid. [snip] Paulson's are made for considerably less than $1/chip”. One person argued with that literal price quote by waving a GPI catalog around, others agreed with the sentiment, and yet others talked about supply and demand as the challenge.

While the supply-and-demand argument is the fairest of them all, in my opinion, it’s just one factor that drives these prices – in a community of collectors (which we mostly are,) the price of the collectible has nothing to do with manufacturing value. We could make that same argument for comic books – it costs less than 30 cents on average to print a book, but the value assigned has nothing to do with printing costs, just like the value assigned to chips have nothing to do with manufacturing costs.

Different types of collectors value different things. Rigby and Rigby, in their history of collecting, argue for the consideration of polygamy (either serial or simultaneous) as a form of collecting, drawing a direct analogy when they state: “Henry VIII, specializing in wives and in tapestries, acquired six items in the first category and two thousand in the latter.”

Studies have posited a range of interrelated motivations for collecting. From a psychological perspective, Danet and Katriel suggest that collectors collect so as to pursue closure/completion/perfection, using five strategies to attain this goal:

1) completing a series or set; (which we do)
2) filling a physical space (for example, a wall in their house); (our chip displays)
3) creating a visually pleasing, harmonious display; (Pr0n)
4) manipulating the scale of objects (for example, collecting miniatures); and
5) aspiring to perfect objects. (mint chips)

From a sociological perspective, others have suggested that collecting is done in part so as to achieve entry into and maintain status in a social group of similarly-minded persons.

The existence of psychological and group membership motives for investing in collectibles is what produces disparate beliefs about the likely financial rewards of this activity. Ask the proverbial person on the street about investing in collectibles and you will likely get one of two reactions. Reaction number one: “Collectibles can be a great investment, especially if you can figure out what the next hot market is. If only I had invested in Avedon photos (or baseball cards) before the market started going up!” Reaction number two: “Collectibles as an investment is a dumb idea! They’ve got to have a lower rate of return than a real investment like stocks. You buy collectibles to enjoy owning them, not to make money.”

Because of the nonpecuniary—perhaps even nonrational—rewards from owning collectibles, there is reason to think it may be possible to make extraordinary profits in this area. Collectibles are estranged from cost fundamentals, since production concerns are irrelevant once you are in the resale market, and the numbers of buyers and sellers involved may be relatively low. Such a market may be easy for a small number of persons to manipulate.

I think it comes down to the following additional considerations (after supply and demand):

Popularity: Something becomes collectible when it has a fan-base that generates demand for the item. The greater the fan-base and the more loyal the fans, the greater the collectability of that thing.

Scarcity: One of the reasons I bought up all the Cocaine Giraffes I could is because I knew in addition to how unique and awesome the chips were, their story and lack of use is extremely rare. The family drama adds intrigue. I rib Tom for not letting me have the rest of them, but the truth is, if I considered good collecting strategy, having a small batch of 1000 chips outside of my collection constantly change hands, be seen and coveted only takes the value of my own collection up more, instead of getting forgotten once I have them all.

Longevity: Does the story and set have “staying power”? This is the heart of the argument, for me, about the NAGB chips. A lot of the other chips that are seen as desirable came from real casinos or boats, with real stories. The NAGB chips have survived that scrutiny for a few reasons, I think. First, they’re damned good looking, and designed for playability; Second, there’s s PCF story behind them; designed by PCFers, now used by PCFers. And within PCF, that value is probably going to hold for a while, until the next batch of NAGB chips come in, and so on.

So why did I sell off all my NAGB sets? In my opinion as a collector, their collectible value is ephemeral. Once new NAGB-type sets come in, or other chip discoveries are made, I do believe they will drop from their current collectible values. The story behind them is fun and interesting, but it isn’t nostalgic or universally cool, like some of the leaded sets are.

Case in point, I recently bid/won an auction for ESST chips after I found out they were WSOP tribute chips -- it instantly changed the value of the chips, for me.

But, that’s ONE person’s opinion. Ultimately, all of the factors above, and of course, the average disposable income of new collectors, will determine what prices will be, and whether they will stay or climb. I am completely aware that there aren’t many people who collect chips who are willing to pay what I am sometimes willing to pay, to acquire something. But that’s literally the definition of a free market.

The key thing to know, which I hope most people do, is like most of us here, I buy for the love of chips and chipping, and almost nothing else.

 
I still consider myself new, but I've always found it helpful to regularly ask myself what my chipping goals are. Although they may change a bit here and there, I have been mostly able to stay on the path with regard to certain sets/projects and still stay around my budget (with the ability to get under if/when I sell or trade some extras). I would assume being able to throw enough cash around to get anything desired (not a dig/insult) would make goals more along the lines of just trying to acquire anything and everything unique or hard to get, and it seems like you have reached that goal or as close to it as possible, at least on an immediate basis. For many of us, our chipping goals are prolonged because having a specific project or projects in mind will usually take a decent amount of time, effort, and patience to accomplish. While it's annoying, the "carrot on a stick" can certainly make the payoff that much more enjoyable or keep us interested, not to mention meeting some great people along the way.

Once our ultimate goals are met (or not - due to cost or a lack of passion) with regard to chips, it seems like our personal definitions of what chipping is has to change in order to maintain an interest. That appears to vary between one or a combination of putting them into play, meetups, sharing knowledge, and helping others (advice, general information, etc.) when possible, and so on, but ultimately this is where most seem to end up if they decide to stick around after accomplishing what they set out to. It seems like you might just be at that crossroad now, but maybe not. Might just have to ask yourself what your chipping goals are as of today to find out.

Oh and of course, dibs.
 
Once our ultimate goals are met (or not - due to cost or a lack of passion) with regard to chips, it seems like our personal definitions of what chipping is has to change in order to maintain an interest. That appears to vary between one or a combination of putting them into play, meetups, sharing knowledge, and helping others (advice, general information, etc.) when possible, and so on, but ultimately this is where most seem to end up if they decide to stick around after accomplishing what they set out to. It seems like you might just be at that crossroad now, but maybe not. Might just have to ask yourself what your chipping goals are as of today to find out.

Couldn’t agree more with this.

I guess a few of us are going through the same thing @Windwalker, me included.

It took me some time but I have figured out what my chipping goals are and I am focusing on completing one or two passion projects (Silver Saddles and my collection of BOH) for now.
I also think that selling a few things here and there will help me appreciate even more what I am keeping. It’s not easy though when you have spent countless hours chasing the perfect chips.

Organising your collection is the perfect way to start this process in my opinion. So many great chips, it should be a lot of fun.
 
So, it happened sooner and more suddenly than I thought.

Even though I'm currently (with paid intern) in the process of cataloging and documenting my collection, I am engulfed with a bout of what I can only describe as "chipping anhedonia". The excitement of a new set or discovery doesn't seem to bring about the same joy, and while I used to refresh the classifieds with the fervent vigor of a caged bull, I am so less inclined to do so nowadays.

In speaking with a friend about it, it’s possible that I got to the depths of my collection too quickly; and upon reflection, it's possible that I'm just somewhat bored with what's available...but it eventually led to the question of what I'm actually going to do with all these chips. It’s also entirely possible that a combination of work stress and too much poker has created a bit of “enough is enough” syndrome.

I still love hosting games with different sets, but the subset of players who enjoy them as much as I do are infinitesimally small, compared to the gambling degens who I tend to play with week after week; which is probably why I like meetups so much, its a chance to sit with like-minded people and play with, discuss and ogle over amazing chippies.

I've seen notes from people like @Perthmike and others who speak of a similar decline in passion, but that usually comes after years of doing it. Didn't think it would happen quite so quickly for me. While I still love them, I can feel myself making excuses when I'm about to take on a difficult / extensive pr0n shoot, for example, and that wasn't the way I was just a few months ago.

I'm hoping @k9dr 's SQM meetup will re-energize me some, or perhaps these lulls are common, and the love does come in peaks and valleys.

Only posting this because this thread was started to document my chipping journey, and I think this lull is a worthwhile event to notate and ponder over.

More to come, I suppose.
Dont quit on us!! We love you! If you need additional motivation just shoot me a pm!

Yours truly aka "stupid degenerate with zero lifeskills, judgemental sociopath, waste of space and you dont know why i even exist".
 
Every time I start to feel bored with chipping I take out my inventory with the thought of selling off chips. Unfortunately, I just end up with a new relabel project and a want add for more chips. If I had krish’s collection I would just hire @timinater and @Gear as full time employees and spend all my time creating relabel sets. Krish, that could be ur path back to chipping happiness.
 
Meanwhile, the organization / cataloging projects plods on.

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In 15 years, that intern is going to be having drinks with friends, chatting about how it all started for them:

Friend #1: My dad got me an internship at his hedge fund

Friend #2: I built homes for starving children in Africa while also allowing me to observe the cultures of indigenous people

Friend #3: I backpacked through Europe while studying the international economy

Krish's Intern: I catalogued some rich dude's poker chip collection

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So, it happened sooner and more suddenly than I thought.

Even though I'm currently (with paid intern) in the process of cataloging and documenting my collection, I am engulfed with a bout of what I can only describe as "chipping anhedonia". The excitement of a new set or discovery doesn't seem to bring about the same joy, and while I used to refresh the classifieds with the fervent vigor of a caged bull, I am so less inclined to do so nowadays.

In speaking with a friend about it, it’s possible that I got to the depths of my collection too quickly; and upon reflection, it's possible that I'm just somewhat bored with what's available...but it eventually led to the question of what I'm actually going to do with all these chips. It’s also entirely possible that a combination of work stress and too much poker has created a bit of “enough is enough” syndrome.

I still love hosting games with different sets, but the subset of players who enjoy them as much as I do are infinitesimally small, compared to the gambling degens who I tend to play with week after week; which is probably why I like meetups so much, its a chance to sit with like-minded people and play with, discuss and ogle over amazing chippies.

I've seen notes from people like @Perthmike and others who speak of a similar decline in passion, but that usually comes after years of doing it. Didn't think it would happen quite so quickly for me. While I still love them, I can feel myself making excuses when I'm about to take on a difficult / extensive pr0n shoot, for example, and that wasn't the way I was just a few months ago.

I'm hoping @k9dr 's SQM meetup will re-energize me some, or perhaps these lulls are common, and the love does come in peaks and valleys.

Only posting this because this thread was started to document my chipping journey, and I think this lull is a worthwhile event to notate and ponder over.

More to come, I suppose.
The best part of this journey is going thru it. It's a slow grind. Honestly, I can totally see why you'd just kinda be meh now. You've bought 10 lifetimes worth of chips in about a year.
 
In 15 years, that intern is going to be having drinks with friends, chatting about how it all started for them:

Friend #1: My dad got me an internship at his hedge fund

Friend #2: I built homes for starving children in Africa while also allowing me to observe the cultures of indigenous people

Friend #3: I backpacked through Europe while studying the international economy

Krish's Intern: I catalogued some rich dude's poker chip collection

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Just one glass ….
 
Having collected several things in my life, the ones that I burned out on (as you are feeling now) are ones where I built epic collections at great expense very quickly. Sometimes that would kill my interest seemingly forever, sometimes it would just leave me with buyers remorse, and I’d liquidate it as quickly as possible, sometimes I’d just take a break and find new enthusiasm months or years down the road.

I managed my crowning achievement in chipping and it took 15 years to do, and 6 months in the execution when I got there, but 11,000 custom paulsons that no one else had was a big deal to me. And then life had other plans for them.

Right now I’m designing a new set. I have no idea if/when I’ll make them. I’m not sure who I want to manufacture them even right now. But the dream restarts from scratch. I built a new house. I have a new poker room, and I’m going through a personal transformation that is leading me to a new theme. My motivation is low but existent. I know that part of the fun for me is the ramping back up of enthusiasm after the lulls, and having to sell my dream set when most of it never saw the felt created a big lull. Poker has stood the test of time in my life. My chipping hunger will return.

I’m sure you’ll figure out what’s right for you too. And it’ll be interesting to see. I’ve been chipping for a long time. I’ve seen a lot of people leave and return. if nothing else, you seem to love the game. And a love of the game and understanding the beauty of the chips is hard to walk away from forever.
 
Well there’s one sure fire way of getting through this:

Hosting the most epic meet-up in PCF history. It would surely take a team but rent out a space, get a bunch of sets in play, bring the entire community (a lot at least) together like no other meet-up could and give yourself and everybody else a chance to meet great people, share our degenerate love of clay (and plastic), and play with some epic chips.

We’ve all had the pleasure of watching your collecting feats over your time on PCF. Imagine how cool it would be for everybody to experience putting those chips in play together.

Just my 2¢ from my own regulars not really appreciating the chips they’re playing with while they’re at my games. Getting to meet @Chicken Rob and @TKO briefly and chat about various chipping minutia was all the reassurance I needed that PCF was the perfect community for me to be part of.
Here ya go Krish! This would be cool.

Makes me wonder, has there ever been an attempt at a National Official PCF Meetup? Like once a year around the same date, but at rotating locations?
 
I kinda get, on a much smaller/slower scale, what Krish is saying. A lot of us have been there, wondering if we still like collecting. Then after a bit fall in love with something new. Maybe go a few cycles like that. Ups and downs.

Perhaps Krish has gone through these cycles in months when for me it was in years.

Started only liking Paulson THC, and only hotstamps. Also liked old school illegal cardroom chips for their nostalgia and stories but were not as common or easy to find.

One of my 1st sets is a diasqr 1940s illegal cardroom. Display only, never use it. For me it's the stories that set could tell. My players don't get it. I don't care lol.
That one is purely for me.

Then I moved onto BCC hotstamps, then towards labelled BCC chips and then back to THC but labelled instead of HS.

Lately concentrating on old school molds that been around forever like CSQ, HHR, diasqr. Maybe try to create some old school labelled tributes.

Looking at Krish's pron and @JeepologyOffroad especially (also @Ben8257 / @FordPickup92) my love of Paulson THC hotstamps is slowly rekindling.

Thank you all for that.
Or if I'm being real, I blame you all for that. :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
You’ve basically crammed a lifetime of collecting into less than 18 months. I think it’s entirely understandable and predictable that you might need to “come up for air” after accumulating the collection that you have. I’m not sure how many chips you’re up to, but given how many hardcore collectors we’ve added to PCF in the last two years I don’t think it’s surprising that it’s getting harder to find chips that will give you the same rush that you had a year ago.
 
Learned a new word today, anhedonia. Makes sense though, when you put the prefix an- in front of the root word hedon.
I like to think of myself as an edumacated man. But the only other time I've seen hedon in a word, was on Playboy TV like 20 years ago. Hedonism resorts lol.

Now if you're saying we're combining that with chipping, I'm in. Heck I'm investing! Lol.
 
I like to think of myself as an edumacated man. But the only other time I've seen hedon in a word, was on Playboy TV like 20 years ago. Hedonism resorts lol.

Now if you're saying we're combining that with chipping, I'm in. Heck I'm investing! Lol.
Anhedonia is an amazing word - good time to add it to the vocabulary. The "inability to find pleasure" - it can come into play in so many contexts. We used it quite frequently when I worked at an outpatient clinic at NY Presbyterian Hospital.
 

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