Why not ABC (1 Viewer)

[warma]

 

[MatthewTreeTree]

But one of the most important reasons is that I know my design isn’t going to be sold/used on other sets. I don’t trust any of the Chinese companies that will copy any casino design to make a sale not to offer my design up to someone else.

This is a big factor - You’ll never see a thread saying “BR PRO SOLD SOMEONE MY DESIGN”

On top of that, I bet they reach out and let you know about the situation. Maybe that's a stretch, but I know BR Pro are honorable folks

Extra~

Group buys are great, but they take like 2-3+ months compared to BR Pro's much faster turnaround time. Even if you include their current two-week waiting period.

They’ll go above and beyond to solidify a customer - to each their own!

If money wasn’t an issue here, I still bet a lot of people would keep their opinions. Card molds/Diamond molds looks cool, and you can put your own design on them - but I hear there is a few spinners in the bunch. Br pro, no spinners, but also no cool mold designs.

Edit: ABC chips are immensely satisfying too

 

[hornhighyo]

I think BRPro charges around the same or maybe .25. So with CPC you are looking at 1.08 per chip vs .28 per chip with Tina. That is 400% more expensive. That is a nontrivial difference. And like I said before I just think this is impulse price territory for most people. They aren’t in the market for ceramics and then decide on Tina. They are just intrigued by the possibility of .28 custom chips. That’s the difference between $280 for a 1000 chip set vs $1,080. That is a big difference. That is a compatible price difference between China clays and CPC L1 custom inlaid American made clay chips. You usually don’t find people making a purchasing decision between those two things. The people who really want the best of the best ceramics go after BRPro as they should.

I buy American when its a smart decision and buy American cars. But these things aren’t really in the same ballpark.

Maybe dont buy things that are impulse buys. As you see it’s only based on price and not not quality. Quality you can be proud of and will have in 20 years. I don’t own anything what was an impulse buy based only on price from 20 years ago.

 

[Matt Michaels]

I 1000% agree. It surprises me how excited people are about getting things from alibaba. I don’t care if it’s free, it’s still alibaba, maybe protecting intellectual property rights is a good thing. This site seems like it’s about the love and experience of the chips, than someone gets excited about alibaba chips from some group buy. And when I read the tread their are people still waiting on their chips from that person from last year. Isn’t that a red flag or that goes out the window too because it’s cheap Chinese chips at a cheap price.

I guess people like me are in the bottom of the PCF hierarchy. We get excited about our cheap chips because its what we can afford. I see us as the normal chippers around here because we are by far the majority. Got more money? Spend it I dont care. Alot of us just prefer the value.

 

[hornhighyo]

This is especially true when it comes to luxury items such as custom poker chips. Its fine if we want to buy direct from China but then don't complain in 2-5 years when CPC and ABC are out of business. I certainly am not judging anyone it is just the realty.

Yeah, shopping on Amazon is cheap and efficient with items arriving on your door step. However, it is killing local small businesses every day.

There has to be more factored in than just price.

You say that like it was some sort of an injustice. I brought a real casino $1 and a BW $1 to a home game and people couldn’t tell the difference. If the untrained eye can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s something that shouldn’t be done.

Same with Louis Vuitton pursue. But if your wife walks around with a knock off do you really think she’s proud of it the same as she would a real one. Knocks offs are just knock offs and people turn an eye to make them self feel better. If you can’t afford the real thing than that’s the real problem. Don’t shop at Nieman Marcus on a Kmart budget.

 

[shorticus]

I think you should go ahead and reach out. Considering the time savings and quality difference, I think a lot of people would pay the extra $0.20 or $0.30 more per chip. But if they can’t budge much on price, $0.75 more per chip is a tough sell.

I wouldn’t be opposed to reaching out if we had something together and I could make a reasonable pitch. I’m not going to pitch a possibility. If there were a huge GB that I was running, I think I would at least offer them the opportunity to give us a quote.

 

[hornhighyo]

I guess people like me are in the bottom of the PCF hierarchy. We get excited about our cheap chips because its what we can afford. I see us as the normal chippers around here because we are by far the majority. Got more money? Spend it I dont care. Alot of us just prefer the value.

Value is cool, good deals are cool. But can anyone say “hey look what I got from a Chinese knock off website“ and really feel good about it. Knowing they know it’s just cheap stuff and everyone else at the table knows it too. I think I’m normal and everyone else I know seems normal and no one I knows buys from that website.

 

[upNdown]

I couldn't disagree more. I wouldn't want a cards mold set of it was free. You can't make this statement on the just the price point. Quality of the product is what factors in for me. Cards mold are unusable imo.

Everybody’s entitled to their opinion, but this one is outrageous. Chippers are buying card molds by the thousand because they are exactly usable.
I agree that ABC/BrPros are nicer. Whether they’re worth the price difference is up for debate. Personally, yeah, I’d rather pay extra for the better chips. But I’ve handled good ceramics and unusable ceramics and I have to say that card molds are good.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

Value is cool, good deals are cool. But can anyone say “hey look what I got from a Chinese knock off website“ and really feel good about it. Knowing they know it’s just cheap stuff and everyone else at the table knows it too. I think I’m normal and everyone else I know seems normal and no one I knows buys from that website.

Have you ever handled cards mold chips? I have lots of "high end" chips and cards mold don't suck. Not even considering the price and product alone I would choose them over many mid tier options.

 

[Colquhoun]

ABC/BRPro already offer discounts for larger purchases. Are they competitive with price to overseas vendors? No.
That doesn't seem to hurt them, they're still currently swamped with orders from earlier this summer, according to Kristil.

Good for them...great chips, people and service.

 

[Matt Michaels]

Value is cool, good deals are cool. But can anyone say “hey look what I got from a Chinese knock off website“ and really feel good about it. Knowing they know it’s just cheap stuff and everyone else at the table knows it too. I think I’m normal and everyone else I know seems normal and no one I knows buys from that website.

We all came up using dice chips. I dont feel myself or anyone playing in my game has ever had the thought that were using "Chinese knockoff" stuff.. Makes me wonder what the average income is of your group then if not one person would consider it.

 

[TheDuke]

Value is cool, good deals are cool. But can anyone say “hey look what I got from a Chinese knock off website“ and really feel good about it. Knowing they know it’s just cheap stuff and everyone else at the table knows it too. I think I’m normal and everyone else I know seems normal and no one I knows buys from that website.

Sorry to alarm you Normal Guy, but you're on the wrong site. No one on PCF is normal.

Normal people don't obsess about poker chips and spends hundreds/thousands of hours on a website waiting for classified ads to pop up and rush to spend thousands of dollars on chips they probably won't use and just look at and then sell them a month or two later.

 

[Himewad]

We all came up using dice chips. I dont feel myself or anyone playing in my game has ever had the thought that were using "Chinese knockoff" stuff.. Makes me wonder what the average income is of your group then if not one person would consider it.

Good point. When I slapped cheap labels on my dice chips 15+ years ago, my players still enjoyed playing. For the most part, upgrading my chips over the years is more for me than my players.

 

[hornhighyo]

We all came up using dice chips. I dont feel myself or anyone playing in my game has ever had the thought that were using "Chinese knockoff" stuff.. Makes me wonder what the average income is of your group then if not one person would consider it.

We played with dice chips because we were kids and didn’t know better. Now you know better, Chinese knock off crap isn’t cool. Anyone with a business, over 18 years old or knows the difference between wrong and right knows this. It’s not about income, have a little pride.

 

[hornhighyo]

Sorry to alarm you Normal Guy, but you're on the wrong site. No one on PCF is normal.

Normal people don't obsess about poker chips and spends hundreds/thousands of hours on a website waiting for classified ads to pop up and rush to spend thousands of dollars on chips they probably won't use and just look at and then sell them a month or two later.

It was saying “normal“ as a quote I was responding too. But I see your joke

 

[Eloe2000]

Maybe dont buy things that are impulse buys. As you see it’s only based on price and not not quality. Quality you can be proud of and will have in 20 years. I don’t own anything what was an impulse buy based only on price from 20 years ago.

Value is cool, good deals are cool. But can anyone say “hey look what I got from a Chinese knock off website“ and really feel good about it. Knowing they know it’s just cheap stuff and everyone else at the table knows it too. I think I’m normal and everyone else I know seems normal and no one I knows buys from that website.

It’s not only based on price. Cards mold chips are nice chips. They are nice ceramics. The cards molds chips aren’t crap and I certainly have no ragrats. I have reordered twice already after my first set and plan to buy more. I won’t argue with those who say BRPro are better chips but I am not going to support that claim either. I am not sure why you assume the chips are crap just because they are from China. Hell, the ceramic blanks from CPC and BRPro are probably from China any way.

But I don’t plan to show off any ceramics for 20 years. These ceramics have a place for me but it’s not to show them off. That’s what clay chips are for for me.

 

[shorticus]

Value is cool, good deals are cool. But can anyone say “hey look what I got from a Chinese knock off website“ and really feel good about it. Knowing they know it’s just cheap stuff and everyone else at the table knows it too. I think I’m normal and everyone else I know seems normal and no one I knows buys from that website.

My group could play with potato chips and wouldn’t know the difference. They’d probably be like, “holy s**t short, I’m going to eat all of my profit before the end of the night.”

 

[Eloe2000]

We played with dice chips because we were kids and didn’t know better. Now you know better, Chinese knock off crap isn’t cool. Anyone with a business, over 18 years old or knows the difference between wrong and right knows this. It’s not about income, have a little pride.

You keep saying Chinese knockoff crap. What are they knocking off? They are probably using the same chips that CPC and BRPro are using. They are using the same dye sublimation printing. I think you should check all of these chips out before making assumptions.

 

[hornhighyo]

Have you ever handled cards mold chips? I have lots of "high end" chips and cards mold don't suck. Not even considering the price and product alone I would choose them over many mid tier options.

Let’s not consider price, let’s consider a place that will steal someone else’s idea, and work and sell it to you. So. To answer your question no I have not handled card mold chips, if they come from a Chinese know off place than I don’t want to. If they come from a regular business than I would. But a penny chip if it comes from a real place. If you have to talk someone into how Chinese knock offs are a great deal than enjoy that conversatio.

 

[Matt Michaels]

We played with dice chips because we were kids and didn’t know better. Now you know better, Chinese knock off crap isn’t cool. Anyone with a business, over 18 years old or knows the difference between wrong and right knows this. It’s not about income, have a little pride.

We played with dice chips because we were kids and didn’t know better. Now you know better, Chinese knock off crap isn’t cool. Anyone with a business, over 18 years old or knows the difference between wrong and right knows this. It’s not about income, have a little pride.

Im quite proud of my chips because its the best i can afford and justify. To tell me to have a "little pride" is only a tad of an insult. Just because you have money to spend makes you no better than anyone else. If you only had pride in being a decent human....

 

[hornhighyo]

You keep saying Chinese knockoff crap. What are they knocking off? They are probably using the same chips that CPC and BRPro are using. They are using the same dye sublimation printing. I think you should check all of these chips out before making assumptions.

I say Chinese know offs because people are says they will duplicate the art work of anyplace for you. If they make a fake bellagio chip is that says bellagio, is that don’t a knock off?

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

The dickcopter is coming out soon. I just know it.

 

[hornhighyo]

Im quite proud of my chips because its the best i can afford and justify. To tell me to have a "little pride" is only a tad of an insult. Just because you have money to spend makes you no better than anyone else. If you only had pride in being a decent human....

Not trying to attack you. Just having fun here. again it’s not about money, it’s Chinese websites that sell a lot of different shady stuff. again nothing against you I’m talking things from that type of site

 

[Matt Michaels]

Not trying to attack you. Just having fun here. again it’s not about money, it’s Chinese websites that sell a lot of different shady stuff. again nothing against you I’m talking things from that type of site

Didnt you just tell me to have a little pride?? Not attacking though.

 

[BPTDirector]

I have some really nice Chipco chips but have not played them since I bought nice clays. So that’s that. I still think the Chipco chip would be much better than a card mold ceramic but still a ceramic.

 

[TheDuke]

I've never owned any ABC/BR Pro chips but I have Chipco and Nevada Jack sets from 10+ years ago.

IMHO, cards mold chips are really good chips. The print quality is really good and the edge alignment is decent. For me, a Chipco or Nevada Jack set is not worth the 3x price premium over cards mold. But that's just me.

 

[hornhighyo]

It’s not only based on price. Cards mold chips are nice chips. They are nice ceramics. The cards molds chips aren’t crap and I certainly have no ragrats. I have reordered twice already after my first set and plan to buy more. I won’t argue with those who say BRPro are better chips but I am not going to support that claim either. I am not sure why you assume the chips are crap just because they are from China.
‘Hell, the ceramic blanks from CPC and BRPro are probably from China any way.

But I don’t plan to show off any ceramics for 20 years. These ceramics have a place for me but it’s not to show them off. That’s what clay chips are for for me.

I’m not saying they are crap because they are from China. I own a lot of stuff from china, everyone does. I’m saying if you us based company’s making stuff, that support the site and does cost more than a place that will do copyright infringement for anyone and people think that cool than that’s a problem. not only in chips but in everything else.

 

[Eloe2000]

I say Chinese know offs because people are says they will duplicate the art work of anyplace for you. If they make a fake bellagio chip is that says bellagio, is that don’t a knock off?

When people say “knock off” they use it as a deragatory term describing a poor quality copy of a preexisting product. That isn’t what we are talking about here. They are using the same or similar blanks and the same printing process. The fact that they will print any design that you make and send them wouldn’t generally be characterized as a “knock off” IMO.

 

[Sprouty]

Not trying to attack you. Just having fun here. again it’s not about money, it’s Chinese websites that sell a lot of different shady stuff. again nothing against you I’m talking things from that type of site

You sound like a dick head.

 

[hornhighyo]

Didnt you just tell me to have a little pride?? Not attacking though.

I might of, I’ll have to go back and read it. But im saying have a “little pride’ meaning take more pride in something, it’s not you have a “little pride’. I might not be explaining it well. It’s like saying “run a little faster”, not saying you are a slow runner. Never mind I think it’s coming up a little to personal for you