Being cleared <> being safe.
When do you plan to host live poker again? (1 Viewer)
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I think this is one of those times when erring on the side of caution is warranted, given the potential consequences.
Our governor decided that starting today it would suddenly be okay to go out and get my hair done at a salon, eat dinner in a restaurant, go bowling, and get a tattoo, so all of those businesses can re-open. I think he's either fucking nuts or delusional, maybe both. Perhaps just grossly misinformed.
So in my case, it's not necessarily just a situation of when the 'authority figures' say it's okay.
This. Even when given the "ok" by local governing bodies, it's still not going to feel right to me.
For me personally, I won't feel comfortable hosting or attending any games until the last COVID patient is discharged from my building, plus two weeks. After that, it will depend on my players and when they would feel safe. Most are healthy and young but a couple have asthma, IBS/Crohn's disease that leaves them more susceptible to them getting sick.
To answer the question though, I'm cautiously optimistic that I will be able to have a single table T20K freeze out for my birthday in September. Cash game with my new CPC's hopefully soon after.
Jake14mw
Flush
So, do you think telling you it is OK being in groups is the same as telling you it's OK to play poker where you are passing cards and chips to each other constantly? Unfortunately for us, playing poker is much more likely to pass a virus than going to the mall or a restaurant.
As far as I understand it, the two main dangers are close proximity to others and sharing surfaces. Poker has both.
Tarheel4Life
3 of a Kind
I’ll host again when there is either an obtainable vaccine or a very reliable treatment that dramatically reduced the risk of long term complications and death if I did get COVID-19.
Sadly, I’m thinking this is mid-2021
Sadly, I’m thinking this is mid-2021
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bsdunbar1
4 of a Kind
Well i'm never gonna get the announcement that "it is now ok to play poker" which is why I'm asking opinions for when your area gives the clearance when will you feel comfortable to do so.
Jake14mw
Flush
I understand the reason for the thread, I think it's a good thread, I am just trying to point out to me, there will be no "clearance" given that has a direct bearing on when I feel safe to host or go to a game. Thanks for the thread, I'm reading with interest here.
Pinball
Full House
29th of August 2020
johnnycnote
Flush
5/8 baby!
DrStrange
4 of a Kind
I am in the Great State of Texas. A place where the Lt. Governor thinks old people should not just be proud to risk death in order to facilitate the local economy, they should feel obligated to take their chances.
Let's just say I do not have complete confidence in the intellectual competence of our state leaders nor of their intentions. My health is not their top concern. Not claiming malice, just that people need to look out for themselves in the true Libertarian way.
There are 230,000 people in Hays County Texas, with 165 known Covid19 cases. There are certainly more than that, but with limited testing who knows how many? 10x more? 30x more? 75x more? Let's go with 3x more. Any random person is ( 165 x 3 ) / 230,000 = 0.22% likely to be infected. Call it 450 - 1.
My game ranges from 7-9 players on Tuesday night to 8 - 14 on Saturday night. Assume a ten player game.
I don't count as a risk to myself, the collective risk is ~20% than one of the other players is Covid19 positive. There are some prior events that mitigate the risk. Someone seriously sick isn't likely to attend the game for example. Even someone with a spouse who was sick staying home we hope. Let's cut the risk in half. Call it 10% someone comes to the game with the Coronavirus.
I appreciate the consequences of getting the plague and dying is lower than feared at first. But the conservative 3x multiplier on cases imbeds a degree of lower mortality risk in the calculation. It is all a barely educated guess though.
Hosting a poker game is an order of magnitude more risky now than it was in March when I cancelled my games. If I was afraid of the risk in mid-March, I should be terrified to play cards at this time. I am also mindful my games are filled with old people and/or people with special risk factors.
Bottom line, there isn't a chance I play cards of any sort now ( early may 2020 ), no matter what advice I get from the leadership of the State of Texas. I can do my own math. (10% risk of exposure) x (25% infection rate at a poker game) x (1% mortality for old sick people) = 4000 to 1 for each of us, every game.
There aren't many things we would freely choose to do with a mortality risk of 4000 -1 per event.
Not a chance in hell -=- DrStrange
Let's just say I do not have complete confidence in the intellectual competence of our state leaders nor of their intentions. My health is not their top concern. Not claiming malice, just that people need to look out for themselves in the true Libertarian way.
There are 230,000 people in Hays County Texas, with 165 known Covid19 cases. There are certainly more than that, but with limited testing who knows how many? 10x more? 30x more? 75x more? Let's go with 3x more. Any random person is ( 165 x 3 ) / 230,000 = 0.22% likely to be infected. Call it 450 - 1.
My game ranges from 7-9 players on Tuesday night to 8 - 14 on Saturday night. Assume a ten player game.
I don't count as a risk to myself, the collective risk is ~20% than one of the other players is Covid19 positive. There are some prior events that mitigate the risk. Someone seriously sick isn't likely to attend the game for example. Even someone with a spouse who was sick staying home we hope. Let's cut the risk in half. Call it 10% someone comes to the game with the Coronavirus.
I appreciate the consequences of getting the plague and dying is lower than feared at first. But the conservative 3x multiplier on cases imbeds a degree of lower mortality risk in the calculation. It is all a barely educated guess though.
Hosting a poker game is an order of magnitude more risky now than it was in March when I cancelled my games. If I was afraid of the risk in mid-March, I should be terrified to play cards at this time. I am also mindful my games are filled with old people and/or people with special risk factors.
Bottom line, there isn't a chance I play cards of any sort now ( early may 2020 ), no matter what advice I get from the leadership of the State of Texas. I can do my own math. (10% risk of exposure) x (25% infection rate at a poker game) x (1% mortality for old sick people) = 4000 to 1 for each of us, every game.
There aren't many things we would freely choose to do with a mortality risk of 4000 -1 per event.
Not a chance in hell -=- DrStrange
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I am sending out the invite for my June 5th game, but making the go/no go decision closer to the date, up to the night before. Of course, if we are not allowed to gather in groups by then, the decision is made for me.
Just got invited to a game tonight. Granted our county has held steady at 10 cases with zero new within nearly the past 2 weeks, but still not going. Won’t be reporting them either tho lol
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bsdunbar1
4 of a Kind
Most threads more than 3-4 lines I will speed read to get the idea of what is said.
@DrStrange's posts get read word for word EVERY time.
#neverdisappointed
I skipped over most of it. Sorry, I'm just not going to live my life in fear. If I get the virus, I suspect I will survive it. If it's my time, well, I think I'm right with God, so bring me on home then. Of course I take reasonable precautions, I'm not an idiot. But we take calculated risks every day of our lives. I could slip in the shower and crack open my skull. I could get wiped out by an 18 wheeler every time I venture onto the roads. There are hundreds of other diseases and illnesses I could catch. This is basically the flu or pneumonia, only more contagious.
To answer the original question, I would host or attend a home game tomorrow if the opportunity presented itself.
StatTracker
Two Pair
March 21 is when I am hoping to host a game since this is when everything's opening over here. Not sure if this will come through. I haven't extended invites yet and will be waiting to see how things pan out over the next week or two.
So not until 2021? Or do you mean May 21st?
As there has been a steady increase of cases in Dallas, 70% of them being the essential employees out working while the rest of us were on lockdown, and add the fact the great state of Texas is opening up - not likely I host until at least July, but will reevaluate as the situation dictates.
And it's not fear as someone stated above, it's common sense. Bring 20 guys into my home, put the in one 25x25 room, and what? Wear masks? Not happening anytime soon I'm afraid.
And it's not fear as someone stated above, it's common sense. Bring 20 guys into my home, put the in one 25x25 room, and what? Wear masks? Not happening anytime soon I'm afraid.
RowdyRawhide
Full House
So you are Covid free....I find this interesting since you are 6 months off of the US seasonally and they are anticipating a resurgence in 6 months here.....My state has allowed groups of up to 10 to gather as of Monday just gone.
So whenever I can organise. But we are basically a covid free zone, so the risk is almost 0 at this point.
It felt weird seeing my mates again for the first time in a while. We were all a bit unsure how to greet eachother
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StatTracker
Two Pair
May 21st, when my current city opens up.
Western Australia has only had 551 cases, most of which came straight off cruise ships and planes and into forced hotel quarantine. So our community transmission is next to nothing.
For the past 5-6 weeks our state borders have been completely closed and anyone returning is escorted to hotels or an island just off the coast for 14 days forced quarantine. Even within the state we are locked into regional zones and cannot travel outside of them.
Our first case was reported in late January. For the past 10 days we have recorded about 5 new cases total. So we are most certainly not 6 months away from the USA. The American response has been nothing but pitiful. Same for England actually, where the rest of my family lives.
Perth is the most isolated city in the world and the whole state is sparsely populated, so those factors work in our favour. It does mean that we are closed off to the rest of the world until a vaccine is manufactured though.
ATM our government is reopening the State in stages, but acknowledging that we are going to get another wave. For now, I'm venturing out in a sensible manner, and am meeting up with my close-knit social group, but not any further than that. We are being encouraged to stick to smaller social cells.
The government has released an app too, which tracks it and if your location indicates you have been exposed to a confirmed case, you receive a text notifying you that you should get tested.
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Far left island , the island KAUAI has had 0 cases for 16 days straight. I think when Hawai’i sees 0 cases for 2 weeks straight things will start to open up again, we are still on lockdown till the end of may. Anyone coming into Hawai’i must quarantine for 14 days, many have been arrested from violating and sent back.
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
I'm not playing poker again until I get a 5G phone so I can hack this virus first
My state has allowed groups of up to 10 to gather as of Monday just gone.
So whenever I can organise. But we are basically a covid free zone, so the risk is almost 0 at this point.
It felt weird seeing my mates again for the first time in a while. We were all a bit unsure how to greet eachother
lucky bugger. VIC is still shutdown.
RowdyRawhide
Full House
I was referring to the northern/southern hemisphere season's when I said 6 months.
Well it's coming into winter right about now if that's what you mean. I can't keep track of all the different climates in the US and AUS. Both countries are too bloody large.
My group never quit but I haven't been participating. However tonight. I am making my Ali like return to the ring!
Stay at home order expires tomorrow. Restaurants can open Monday. Things getting back to normal. We are a small community of 50,000. Only 21 cases reported in entire county.
Stay at home order expires tomorrow. Restaurants can open Monday. Things getting back to normal. We are a small community of 50,000. Only 21 cases reported in entire county.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
ird seeing my mates again for the first time in a while. We were all a bit unsure how to greet eachother
How about "want a beer?"
It may never happen. The fact is without a vaccine everyone is going to get it is sooner or later. This is why the initial discussion was about "flattening the curve" not "shrinking the curve.". The good news is as testing is becoming more widespread, the disease is showing more people had it asymptomatically and the survival rate is much higher than initially assumed.
The flattening was to make sure we didn't overwhelm the hospitals and even have time to build out additional ICU capacity. It was to lower the peak and spread the infection over a longer period of time, but the knowledge has always been it's going to spread until it runs out of hosts ("herd immunity") unless we are fortunate to find a vaccine.
Though it turns out that may not have even been needed in Minnesota, but seemed like a sensible endeavor nonetheless.
I intentionally avoid politics on PCF so it's hard to have this discussion outside of that context.
To directly answer the question, I do have an event on the calendar for May 31st, I have left it on Meetup as a beacon of hope, I think it's at best 50-50.
In Minnesota, most of the deaths sadly happened in long term care facilities, the median age of deaths is something like 84 and the youngest person to die was like 45. Over two thirds of dealths had compromised lungs or other immune issues.
Our current gathering prohibition expires May 18, so that gives me some hope it's realistic to host. On the other hand, my company said expect work from home to continue through May. But that's a national outlook also.
So that gives me hope there's at least a chance. It will probably be up to the players.
I am considering some mitigation strategies too, but this is just brainstorming no real research if anyone wants to offer expertise I would appreciate it.
1) Personal health / capacity
Everyone still wears face masks, must not present a fever, and I would be hosting 6 max games only.
2) Chips
Every hour have everyone wipe their stacks down with Clorox wipes. Alternatively, I have more than enough chips to change them out every hour or two in a 6 max game.
(I also ran a few of my extry hybrids through the dishwasher for fun with no ill effects, maybe that's a good sanitize option.)
3) Cards
Either get disposable dollar store cards that can be tossed every hour, or get enough plastic decks to change every hour and sanitize with Clorox wipes at the end of the night.
Also my local card club sent a survey on feedback for what measurs they might take and what we think, so I think they are hoping to get rolling in the near future. Maybe that will just be the lead the home games take too?
Only 7 hours to Salina for me. See you next weekend!
Jeevansluck
Royal Flush
Golly,
All this talk of dates and months of 2020 to start up hosting is so tempting and sounds so great.
Sadly, my brain has given up the idea for the distant future. Im not even going to consider it this year entirely, unless there is some form of a vaccine or treatment to fight this thing.
As much as I want to host and break out chips etc, there is too much risk, to my family and to myself.
It's so refreshing to see and hear all the hosts here who are setting dates with sanitation and masks, but that ain't enough to stop this. At least not for me
Good luck to all and Godspeed!
All this talk of dates and months of 2020 to start up hosting is so tempting and sounds so great.
Sadly, my brain has given up the idea for the distant future. Im not even going to consider it this year entirely, unless there is some form of a vaccine or treatment to fight this thing.
As much as I want to host and break out chips etc, there is too much risk, to my family and to myself.
It's so refreshing to see and hear all the hosts here who are setting dates with sanitation and masks, but that ain't enough to stop this. At least not for me
Good luck to all and Godspeed!
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