What's the Deal with PCA $1s (1 Viewer)

[BearMetal]

So I saw an auction go up for PCA $1s, but I didn't want to start posting in it and take away it's momentum. I've always been curious why PCA chips are all THC except for the $1 chip which is RHC. As far as I know this is the only casino that people go crazy for that has this dichotomy.

Now let's step back a minute... The PCA chips are some of my favorite chips of all time. The $0.50 chips being perhaps my favorite frac chip ever. Ever. EVER!

And I know that many people here share the opinion that the PCA chips are very nice. I also know that many people here would rather grind up a leaded chip and snort it rather than mixing a THC and an RHC in the same set.

So, anyone have a bead on this one?

For any of you lucky chippers who've got a PCA set, does it bother you at all?

Edit: I love RHC chips. I think that the $1 PCAs are gorgeous. I'm just wondering what the deal is...

 

[monkeydog]

It was a deal breaker for lots of people when they first hit the market, but most seem to have gotten over it! I remember that the chip room ended up blowing them out at one point and the secondary $1’s were around $50/rack.

 

[BearMetal]

It was a deal breaker for lots of people when they first hit the market, but most seem to have gotten over it! I remember that the chip room ended up blowing them out at one point and the secondary $1’s were around $50/rack.

Daaaaaamn! A blowout on PCA chips. BearMetal is always late to the party.

I could imagine it would be a deal-breaker, especially considering what many people here have said about mixing molds. But again, it doesn't seem like it comes up very often but it's just so strange that they decided to change the mold for just the $1 chip.

 

[GianThaMan]

RHCs are cheaper, so since they ordered so many 1s it was more economical to make them RHC than THC.

 

[BearMetal]

RHCs are cheaper, so since they ordered so many 1s it was more economical to make them RHC than THC.

and normally that's what I would think, except that in this case they do have a 50-cent chip that is THC. They must have had a boatload (see what I did there) of fracs...

 

[upNdown]

So I saw an auction go up for PCA $1s, but I didn't want to start posting in it and take away it's momentum. I've always been curious why PCA chips are all THC except for the $1 chip which is RHC. As far as I know this is the only casino that people go crazy for that has this dichotomy.

Now let's step back a minute... The PCA chips are some of my favorite chips of all time. The $0.50 chips being perhaps my favorite frac chip ever. Ever. EVER!

And I know that many people here share the opinion that the PCA chips are very nice. I also know that many people here would rather grind up a leaded chip and snort it rather than mixing a THC and an RHC in the same set.

So, anyone have a bead on this one?

For any of you lucky chippers who've got a PCA set, does it bother you at all?

Edit: I love RHC chips. I think that the $1 PCAs are gorgeous. I'm just wondering what the deal is...

I’ll tell you what, I hate RHCs, but I think leaded RHCs with a textured inlay is a slightly different beast.
I wouldn’t kick them out of bed.

 

[Thomacetti]

^^ this ^^

and all valid points @monkeydog

Also...the pri & sec ones are some of the best RHC's out there.
More then a few PCA fans created secondary $1 on THC.

 

[BearMetal]

^^ valid points ^^

And...the pri & sec ones are some of the best RHC's out there.
More then a few PCA fans created secondary $1 on THC.

Yep, I saw that. And honestly if the chip mixing bothered me that much, I could absolutely see myself doing that as well.

Something I didn't know is that these PCA $1 chips were leaded and textured RHCs. That's pretty awesome.

 

[GianThaMan]

and normally that's what I would think, except that in this case they do have a 50-cent chip that is THC. They must have had a boatload (see what I did there) of fracs...

They didn’t order many fracs, so it wasn’t cost prohibitive to make them THC.

 

[PinDoc]

It's part of the mystique. Someone much smarter than me once said "Perfect is the enemy of good enough"

 

[FordPickup92]

If I had my way I'd replace the secondary ones with exc condition/NM primary ones, but finding that many racks of them isn't easy.
But yes, they ordered more 1s than anything and RHC are less expensive.

Any more info probably best answerd by @Thomacetti @Chile85 or @SuckoutKing

 

[phaze12]

PCA $1s are leaded

 

[RocAFella1]

Missouri gotta be weird like that. A lot of the older racks had an anomaly, see Casino Aztar $5 as the worst example.

 

[BearMetal]

Missouri gotta be weird like that

All right. That actually answers my question. We can close this thread now.

 

[FordPickup92]

PCA $1s are leaded

You can actually see the flakes in the rolling edges of the secondary 1s @BearMetal

 

[Thomacetti]

Aztar Mo did it with the fiver....it's a Missouri thing

We speculated A LOT about it...don't think anything was 100%

- security
- cost
- throwing a chippers harvesting obstruction

Edit: crossposted with @RocAFella1

 

[Perthmike]

RHCs are cheaper, so since they ordered so many 1s it was more economical to make them RHC than THC.

Lol that's a bit of a leap

 

[BearMetal]

We speculated A LOT about it...don't think anything was 100%

- security
- cost
- throwing a chippers harvesting obstruction

This was actually on the back of my mine. Would people harvest less with mixed molds? Obviously we did not...

 

[Thomacetti]

RHCs are cheaper, so since they ordered so many 1s it was more economical to make them RHC than THC.

92K $1 chips (pri & sec) vs 75K $5 alone...and 180K THC total...they should have gone with another accountant...not mix RHC with THC for a minimal cost saving

 

[BearMetal]

92K $1 chips (pri & sec) vs 75K $5 alone...and 180K THC total...they should have gone with another accountant...not mix RHC with THC for a minimal cost saving

Any idea how many were 50c?

 

[upNdown]

Lol that's a bit of a leap

That's one theory. But it wouldn't explain why the Cleveland Horseshoe decided to blow extra cash on their $1s

 

[Thomacetti]

@BearMetal

Primary Chips

$ 0.50 27,054 chips
$ 1.00 45,508 chips
$ 5.00 38,872 chips
$ 25.00 24,873 chips
$ 100.00 10,931 chips
$ 500.00 2,999 chips

Total 150,237

Secondary Chips

$ 0.50 10,000 chips
$ 1.00 47,000 chips
$ 5.00 35,000 chips
$ 25.00 21,000 chips
$ 100.00 7,000 chips
$ 500.00 1,000 chips

Total 121,000

Source here (take a beer if you don't seen that thread...enjoy)

 

[BearMetal]

That's one theory. But it wouldn't explain why the Cleveland Horseshoe decided to blow extra cash on their $1s

Ah-ha!!! The reverse scenario! Yeah, doesn't make sense why they would go THC for JUST the $1s at extra expense.

 

[Thomacetti]

Ah-ha!!! The reverse scenario! Yeah, doesn't make sense why they would go THC for JUST the $1s at extra expense.

Pit boss must have been a secret PCF-ers....we always need THC $1 (and yellow chips)

 

[BearMetal]

@BearMetal

Primary Chips

$ 0.50 27,054 chips
$ 1.00 45,508 chips
$ 5.00 38,872 chips
$ 25.00 24,873 chips
$ 100.00 10,931 chips
$ 500.00 2,999 chips

Total 150,237

Secondary Chips

$ 0.50 10,000 chips
$ 1.00 47,000 chips
$ 5.00 35,000 chips
$ 25.00 21,000 chips
$ 100.00 7,000 chips
$ 500.00 1,000 chips

Total 121,000

Source here (take a beer if you don't seen that thread...enjoy)

Yeah, so with those numbers, if they wanted to save money, why not also make the 50c RHC. It's weird to have only the $1 different.

 

[Thomacetti]

PCA is the Mona Lisa of the chipworld

The Perfect Imperfection

This the Aztar Mo fiver

 

[Perthmike]

That's one theory. But it wouldn't explain why the Cleveland Horseshoe decided to blow extra cash on their $1s

It's certainly a theory. Could be true, probably isn't. But it was stated very confidently as if it were the precise reason.

 

[GianThaMan]

92K $1 chips (pri & sec) vs 75K $5 alone...and 180K THC total...they should have gone with another accountant...not mix RHC with THC for a minimal cost saving

It’s probably a mix of that, security, and some other factors that you can guess at. I don’t think we’ll ever really have a definitive answer, and I probably shouldn’t have stated it that way.

That's one theory. But it wouldn't explain why the Cleveland Horseshoe decided to blow extra cash on their $1s

I think that could have been a matter of security to avoid the counterfeiting story that happened at the Green Valley ranch from repeating itself. I’ve seen it in almost all horseshoe casinos, and there are a bunch of casinos in Vegas that I’ve seen use THC for their snappers, ones, and fives occassionally, but RHC for everything else.

 

[BearMetal]

PCA is the Mona Lisa of the chipworld

The Perfect Imperfection

 

[churlbut18]

I don’t put the PCA Secondary $1 in the same class as other RHC. They’re leaded, have textured inlays, and stack like bricks.

What tilts me way more is seeing a PCA Secondary set with a replacement THC $1, particularly a blue $1 (not to offend those who’ve done it)...