What's missing here? (5 Viewers)

[sheikh617]

Jesus, I checked MA in the below link... it and only one other state have a full on "F" grade. That is scary considering how this thread went....

https://ij.org/pfp-state-pages/pfp-virginia/

 

[skylines]

Amended to: ILLEGAL WAGER ON HORSE RACE 18.2-326 Amended Type : Class 3 Misdemeanor

Was there betting on horse racing? Or was it just random lesser gambling charge?

 

[daschuck77]

Was there betting on horse racing? Or was it just random lesser gambling charge?

No just a lesser charge as part of plea arrangement.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Was there betting on horse racing? Or was it just random lesser gambling charge?

No just a lesser charge as part of plea arrangement.

I know nothing of the law, but this kind of stuff just seems bizarre.

 

[daschuck77]

 

[12thMan]

I know nothing of the law, but this kind of stuff just seems bizarre.

I kind of understand the concept (just agree to it, not trial, no effort), but yeah, it has always seemed so ducking weird to me.

Before cell phone use while driving became an “electronic dui” up here that was the charge I was found “guilty” of after getting a speeding ticket a few times. Never mind the fact there was a ticket written for going X over the speed limit and I most certainly wasn’t using my cell phone, but because I can hire a lawyer I don’t even have to go to court and I get found guilty of something that has nothing to do with my original charge??? Weird. So weird. But whatever, it’s what we have. I guess?

 

[upNdown]

Jesus, I checked MA in the below link... it and only one other state have a full on "F" grade. That is scary considering how this thread went....

https://ij.org/pfp-state-pages/pfp-virginia/

If it makes a difference to you, I’ve seen plenty of civil forfeiture in the state district level courts in Boston, and the F grade probably isn’t appropriate there. It’s a pain in the ass, but judges are generally happy to give people their shit back, when appropriate, if they actually pursue it.
As to other counties and the superior courts, I don’t know, but they’re subject to the same statutes, so I’d guess it’s similar.
We’re probably so low because the police will happily take your shit Now, and ask questions later.

 

[sheikh617]

If it makes a difference to you, I’ve seen plenty of civil forfeiture in the state district level courts in Boston, and the F grade probably isn’t appropriate there. It’s a pain in the ass, but judges are generally happy to give people their shit back, when appropriate, if they actually pursue it.
As to other counties and the superior courts, I don’t know, but they’re subject to the same statutes, so I’d guess it’s similar.
We’re probably so low because the police will happily take your shit Now, and ask questions later.

I see, that makes sense.

 

[Poker Zombie]

If anyone still tracking this, I have an update. I attended Virginia Beach General District Court on March 13th to watch and support my friends.

The other couple that was served warrant agreed to a plea deal. Here is the gist of it.

Nolle Prosequi (not prosecuted) for:

1. Conspiracy - Continuous Illegal Gambling 18.2.-328 Class 5 Felony
2. Continuous Illegal Gambling 18.2-328 Class U Felony
3. Owner Permits Illegal Gambling 18.2-329 Class 1 Misdemeanor

Found Guilty on amended charge:
Original Charge : AID ILLEGAL GAMBLING OPERATION 18.2-230 Class 1 Misdemeanor
Amended to: ILLEGAL WAGER ON HORSE RACE 18.2-326 Amended Type : Class 3 Misdemeanor

About $300 in fines, agree to forfeit all property, money seized, and money seized in bank accounts due to legal hold.

Perry was continued to April 23rd. Not sure how this will play out with COVID-19, could be a longer delay, but he will not back down from forfeiting his property/cash/bank account seizures.

Myself personally for the Class 3 misdemeanor, I am in 6 months probation, provide clean DMV and Police record in August and charge will be dismissed minus court costs. Only 4 of the players got this deal, the rest were found guilty by different judge on different court date back in December.

https://ij.org/pfp-state-pages/pfp-virginia/

I should not have read this right after lunch. It makes me so sick, I just got severe indigestion.

...and I still feel like the lucky one.

 

[surfik]

Assholes.... The way Kevin Kline says it in "Fish called Wanda"....

 

[surfik]

Ron Swanson in right... Government is greede, little pig

 

[Taghkanic]

I know nothing of the law, but this kind of stuff just seems bizarre.

Where I live I New York, speeding tickets almost always get plead down to “Parking on the Pavement.”

This is a largely imaginary offense. Maybe someone somewhere actually parked on the pavement, and got ticketed for it, but its main purpose seems to be plea deals.

The fine is usually $100 with no points on your license. 99.75% of people take the deal.

Town courts like doing this because they get a bigger chunk of the fine this way, instead much of it going to the State.

 

[upNdown]

Where I live I New York, speeding tickets almost always get plead down to “Parking on the Pavement.”

This is a largely imaginary offense. Maybe someone somewhere actually parked on the pavement, and got ticketed for it, but its main purpose seems to be plea deals.

The fine is usually $100 with no points on your license. 99.75% of people take the deal.

Town courts like doing this because they get a bigger chunk of the fine this way, instead much of it going to the State.

That’s a beautiful racket right there. It’s a Win Win Win - town wins, driver wins, then an extra win for everybody because the insurance company is getting screwed.
there are never any deals offered on speeding tickets around here. Upon appeal, the judge will usually knock it down to the minimum, saying you $100 or $150 or something, but you still get the points so you’re still screwed.

 

[Coyote]

In basically pre-modern societies, like the Greek one, with all the boons and evils of that, you just have to relate somehow to the Law- (my @ss) enforcing officers.
Show them you 're coming actually from their province, parents-wise, and you 're not an arrogant litterate guy from the nation's capital city; or that you also work for the government, in a way or another.
Still, the local mayors are hungry vultures, and speed limits on provincial A-roads can be as low as 50km/h (30.5mp/h) if they cross through insignificant villages (it was the locals who demanded that the roads do not bypass their filthy villages, in order for you to go pee in their "diner" toilets and have their cheese-pies or herb-pies to boost economic development)

 

[Goldfish]

If anyone still tracking this, I have an update. I attended Virginia Beach General District Court on March 13th to watch and support my friends.

The other couple that was served warrant agreed to a plea deal. Here is the gist of it.

Nolle Prosequi (not prosecuted) for:

1. Conspiracy - Continuous Illegal Gambling 18.2.-328 Class 5 Felony
2. Continuous Illegal Gambling 18.2-328 Class U Felony
3. Owner Permits Illegal Gambling 18.2-329 Class 1 Misdemeanor

Found Guilty on amended charge:
Original Charge : AID ILLEGAL GAMBLING OPERATION 18.2-230 Class 1 Misdemeanor
Amended to: ILLEGAL WAGER ON HORSE RACE 18.2-326 Amended Type : Class 3 Misdemeanor

About $300 in fines, agree to forfeit all property, money seized, and money seized in bank accounts due to legal hold.

Perry was continued to April 23rd. Not sure how this will play out with COVID-19, could be a longer delay, but he will not back down from forfeiting his property/cash/bank account seizures.

Myself personally for the Class 3 misdemeanor, I am in 6 months probation, provide clean DMV and Police record in August and charge will be dismissed minus court costs. Only 4 of the players got this deal, the rest were found guilty by different judge on different court date back in December.

https://ij.org/pfp-state-pages/pfp-virginia/

I know that Fairfax county VA can be pretty aggressive with poker games. I have posted this before..... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lls-poker-game-seizes-cash-terrifies-players/

 

[One Eyed Dollar]

Growing up in St. Louis, fixing speeding tickets was just part of the game. Go to TLC (Traffic Law Center), pay a lawyer $75 to go to court for you, ticket gets changed to something without points but the fine goes up $100, and you're done. I thought it worked like that everywhere until I got a ticket in Kansas and found out they don't play that game. What a pain in the ass.

 

[Jeff]

Speeding laws are so different in various states. My daughter got tickets in Wisconsin (where she worked in the summer) and Ohio (where she went to college), and paid the fine without telling us, which is a guilty plea, of course. Apparently both tickets were exactly 20 miles per hour over the speed limit, and so when the guilty plea was forwarded to Illinois (where we live) which resulted in a license forfeiture because of her age and the number of infractions. So, we had to go to both states to see if either of the tickets could be plead to a lesser charge so that the license forfeiture could be rescinded. Hiring three attorneys (Illinois, Wisconsin and Ohio), and working with local judges worked in one of the two jurisdictions, which was an employment boon to the local attorneys and a heftier local fine for a lesser charge in the one state, and the ticket costs.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Speeding laws are so different in various states. My daughter got tickets in Wisconsin (where she worked in the summer) and Ohio (where she went to college), and paid the fine without telling us, which is a guilty plea, of course. Apparently both tickets were exactly 20 miles per hour over the speed limit, and so when the guilty plea was forwarded to Illinois (where we live) which resulted in a license forfeiture because of her age and the number of infractions. So, we had to go to both states to see if either of the tickets could be plead to a lesser charge so that the license forfeiture could be rescinded. Hiring three attorneys (Illinois, Wisconsin and Ohio), and working with local judges worked in one of the two jurisdictions, which was an employment boon to the local attorneys and a heftier local fine for a lesser charge in the one state, and the ticket costs.

Buying a new daughter would have been cheaper.

 

[Jeff]

Buying a new daughter would have been cheaper.

Too much sweat equity in the one I aready have.

 

[daschuck77]

Hello everyone, happy holidays, and to hell with 2020 for the most part.

Everything with the case has mostly legally been resolved. I of course had the class 3 misdemeanor 'illegal gambling' charges dismissed after 6mo. probation and I am working on an expungement now things have concluded. I do believe @brains613 will also add his thoughts when he's ready. I am just socializing the final results of what happened back in early December with his four charges.

1.

Charge :	CONTINUOUS ILLEGAL GAMBLING
Code Section :	18.2-328	Case Type :	Felony	Class :	U

Final Disposition :

Nolle Prosequi

2.

Charge :	CONSPIRACY - CONSP: CONTINUOUS ILL GAMBLING
Code Section :	18.2-328	Case Type :	Felony	Class :	5

Final Disposition :

Nolle Prosequi

3.

Charge :	OWNER PERMITS ILLEGAL GAMBLING
Code Section :	18.2-329	Case Type :	Misdemeanor	Class :	1

Final Disposition :

Nolle Prosequi

4.

Charge :	AID ILLEGAL GAMBLING OPERATION
Code Section :	18.2-330	Case Type :	Misdemeanor	Class :	1

Final Disposition :

Guilty

Probation Type :

Unsupervised Probation

Probation Time :

00Years 12Months 000Days

Costs :

$101.00

And really the slightest silver lining in all of this as he fought tooth and nail in court is he got all of his chips back and most of his firearms as well except for his a handgun kept in his poker room and a Mosin that he feels the arresting officers were a little jelly of him owning because they were 'playing' with it during the evidence collection. The Mosin somehow did not get logged and find its way into the evidence locker. Also, he lost the poker table which got pretty damaged anyway as the officers tried to remove it from the house. Sadly, and as expected, the money froze in his accounts and cash on hand were not returned. Pretty sure between the two homes served that night the Virginia Beach Police Department seized and kept at least $12,000 in cash from bank accounts and what was on the table that night in our game.

That's 'Policing for Profit' for you...

I got back my PNY's (which were in play and on the table that night) and Crystal Parks with some nice souvenir stickers and some battle scars on my sentimental custom cherry wood case. Brains613 dropped them off on December 23rd.

 

[sheikh617]

Glad some stuff came back but this whole situation is so fucked and makes me so mad. Everyone involved in this raid is a scumbag to the highest degree.

 

[andy699669]

Cracking down legitimate victimless crime (where everyone consents) is a waste of time and money.
There are more crimes worse than this where real victims are involved.

 

[Beakertwang]

Cracking down legitimate victimless crime (where everyone consents) is a waste of time and money.
There are more crimes worse than this where real victims are involved.

Exactly.

 

[Beakertwang]

Cracking down legitimate victimless crime (where everyone consents) is a waste of time and money.
There are more crimes worse than this where real victims are involved.

Except they're not really a waste of money as far as government is concerned, since civil asset forfeiture laws allow law enforcement to steal citizens' money without any proof of a crime being committed. It's disgusting.

 

[daschuck77]

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

he got all of his chips back and most of his firearms as well except for his a handgun kept in his poker room and a Mosin that he feels the arresting officers were a little jelly of him owning because they were 'playing' with it during the evidence collection. The Mosin somehow did not get logged and find its way into the evidence locker.

Disgusting.

Glad to hear it’s finally resolved but sorry it happened in the first place.

 

[Ben8257]

Glad to hear this has been settled. I hope the F charges get dropped... that is really heavy for someone to carry and recover from that never really did anything wrong. Just sad story all the way around.

 

[BonScot]

Without understanding the legal processes over there it looks like your friend has been fined $101 and that’s it. Am I reading that right?

But they’ve kept over $12k of his own money and managed to “lose” a couple of guns?

That’s mental. Just sounds like they had to make one charge stick to save face. Wonder how much the whole operation cost to get a $101 fine.

I’m assuming that you and your friends are not going to be hosting games now. Did you get any clarification on whether or not you can host or if there’s a limit to how much can be gambled?

The whole thing just sounds rotten...

Well done to your friend for fighting back and standing up for himself.

 

[WedgeRock]

3 out of 4 Nolle Pros is a pretty good result.

 

[daschuck77]

3 out of 4 Nolle Pros is a pretty good result.

Ya, for sure. He lawyered up, dug in, and held his ground as stoically as he could. The police wanted the conviction(s) cash, and property.