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PDF online, keep it in the phone for referenceLooks like I might need to snag this, thank you!
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PDF online, keep it in the phone for referenceLooks like I might need to snag this, thank you!
Betting out of turn is binding, unless the person(s) skipped decides to bet.Good, I'm glad. I was reluctant to even post but I know there's a lot more knowledgeable people here than myself who may have had this come up.
My guys are all extreme casuals, so they always look to me for the rules and I don't always know them, and I haven't taken the time to read through them. We have mistakes a lot, people betting out of turn, flipped over cards. I have to look into what to do in these situations as well.
Thanks, this is the way I've been doing it. Maybe I'll start a separate thread for these common mistakes so we don't muddy this one.Betting out of turn is binding, unless the person(s) skipped decides to bet.
A card flipped over that comes out of the dealer's hand and then is turned over before control of the player is exerted is the fault of the dealer and MUST be replaced. The first card would often be used as the burn.
Is the collusion part dumping pots to another player or something else?Typically only done when collusion is suspected.
mostly yes, but typically two people would jam with a 3rd person in a mix and then when 3rd person folds one of them will fold.Is the collusion part dumping pots to another player or something else?
I believe the saying spawns from the verbiage in the rules where you can't ask to see a hand if you don't call, meaning they paid the fee to see the cards.I’ll add this, for the folks that think “I paid to see that hand” is obvious. It’s a pretty foreign concept to me. I think I’ve heard those words uttered once or twice. It’s not a concept that is common or relevant or whatever in any games I’ve played in. I don’t know if it’s a regional thing or just a different rooms, different rules thing, but it’s just not something I’ve practically ever seen, FWIW.
No I get that. I just mean that I haven’t seen it done in the games and rooms and casinos I’ve played it. Whether it’s not a rule that’s enforced around here or whether it’s just an uncommon request, I don’t know. But my point is simply, don’t be shocked that some people don’t play that way.I believe the saying spawns from the verbiage in the rules where you can't ask to see a hand if you don't call, meaning they paid the fee to see the cards.
So no option for the person that gets called down to muck his cards? Seems very strict and not in a good way imo.Yeah, definitely different. Thanks man!
I feel dumb, but what the hell is RRoP?
This is not something that has occurred before in our game. Dude was just embarrassed his bluff didn't work out and he got called down. I think as a "house rule" I'm just going to require that a called hand needs to be shown first, end of story. Make it black and white.
I'm not sure that it's regional, but this is a rule that a lot of card rooms and home games do not agree on.I’ll add this, for the folks that think “I paid to see that hand” is obvious. It’s a pretty foreign concept to me. I think I’ve heard those words uttered once or twice. It’s not a concept that is common or relevant or whatever in any games I’ve played in. I don’t know if it’s a regional thing or just a different rooms, different rules thing, but it’s just not something I’ve practically ever seen, FWIW.
Haven't read the other replies and I can only answer with how RRoP handles this with cash games. Tournaments have slight variations so this might be completely worthless but;Had a situation arise on Friday during a tournament I was hosting. Had to make a call on the spot but would like to know what is generally accepted as proper, or right. Small stakes, $40 buy-in, nothing major.
For the sake of making this simple the hand was heads up. Player A is the small blind, Player B the big blind. Nobody is all in, in this situation.
River:
Player A checks
Player B bets
Player A calls
Player B then proceeds to muck their cards, most likely because he was hoping for a fold and didn't want to expose the bluff.
-- Does the Player A (caller) have the right to see Player B's (agressors) hand?
-- If Player A doesn't request to see the agressors hand, can anybody else at the table request this?
I have not read the official rules and made a call on the spot that the agressor was allowed to muck his hand. I was challenged by my cousin, who had folded earlier, said Player A is paying for the right to see Player B's hand, which I don't disagree with either. But, is it a right?
I understand that "house rules" is a thing and also that tournaments and cash games might have different nuances to this, but I'm curious what some people think.
Is this strictly etiquette vs house rules or is this defined in official rules somewhere?
I’ll add this, for the folks that think “I paid to see that hand” is obvious. It’s a pretty foreign concept to me. I think I’ve heard those words uttered once or twice. It’s not a concept that is common or relevant or whatever in any games I’ve played in. I don’t know if it’s a regional thing or just a different rooms, different rules thing, but it’s just not something I’ve practically ever seen, FWIW.
To offer another view, I am a strong advocate of (and have a reputation for) fast rolling. In addition to being the more friendly and courteous play, I have found that it:As I progressed, when I call now, I also ask, what do you have? I get to see the cards, and if they want to muck, then I can say, I called and asked to see the cards.
I've never been turned down to look at the cards that I called. If that means that I'm a less competent player, then so be it.
I have people at the table that love to bluff but always want to muck their hands. It's nice to see their embarrassment once in awhile.
Believe me, the guys that we play with are all friends and have been playing together for many years. The joke of the table is that there is "no bluffing allowed". Of course, we do know that it happens and everyone is guilty of doing it from time to time. Maybe that's why many of us call and ask to see the cards of the one that bet. No one takes it to heart. We have fun with it.To offer another view, I am a strong advocate of (and have a reputation for) fast rolling. In addition to being the more friendly and courteous play, I have found that it:
The benefits far outweigh the value of "information" that poker players are often so concerned about. And really, if I can't figure out a range that my opponent would muck at showdown given the board and the action, then the perfect information isn't going to be much help to me anyway.
- Establishes a friendly and congenial tone for the game ($$).
- Inspires looser play by my opponents who learn that they can muck their embarrassment if they lose ($$).
- Preserves opportunities for my opponent to muck a winner ($$).
I’m with you there. If I’m calling, I’ll say “I call” and table my hand all in the same motion. And if they’re calling, I’ll usually say “I’ve got it” and table my hand before they can get their chips in. I have no interest in playing games or slowing things down. And I’m very rarely interested in what the other guy has, as long as I’m ahead.To offer another view, I am a strong advocate of (and have a reputation for) fast rolling. In addition to being the more friendly and courteous play, I have found that it:
The benefits far outweigh the value of "information" that poker players are often so concerned about. And really, if I can't figure out a range that my opponent would muck at showdown given the board and the action, then the perfect information isn't going to be much help to me anyway.
- Establishes a friendly and congenial tone for the game ($$).
- Inspires looser play by my opponents who learn that they can muck their embarrassment if they lose ($$).
- Preserves opportunities for my opponent to muck a winner ($$).
I’m with you there. If I’m calling, I’ll say “I call” and table my hand all in the same motion. And if they’re calling, I’ll usually say “I’ve got it” and table my hand before they can get their chips in. I have no interest in playing games or slowing things down. And I’m very rarely interested in what the other guy has, as long as I’m ahead.