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Is that the play doh tennis forum? I’ve been trying to join, but I only have the homemade play doh and that is like dice chips over there.
Is that the play doh tennis forum? I’ve been trying to join, but I only have the homemade play doh and that is like dice chips over there.
Then again GPI doesnt price chips the same way as CPC. The spots are somewhat irrelevant when ordering chips from a casinos point of view. So its not like they are "saving the expensive chips for the high denoms"
Not to be rude, but do you understand how CPC makes chips? If you do, then you wouldn’t question their pricing levels.This has always been my biggest problem with cpc . if You can run a 3 moon at l4 y can’t a l9 8spot be the same price. Your lose of material is more on moon ...I hear time and mold problems etc Yada yada id rather pay .
more for straight pricing then tiered.
I’ll still pro go with set eve but I’ll make do l4 below.
I started this thread not because I have a problem with this:
Buyer buys chips @$2/chip and some time later the same chips are routinely being bought and sold at $3 or $4 or $10 or what ever number and then buyer sells his chips at a profit. In my mind there is nothing wrong with this. This is just a market doing what a market does .
I do have a problem with this:
Buyer buys chips @ 59¢/chip from Jim as do many others. A few days or a week or a month later Jim still has those same chips available for 59¢ the same guy puts up a for sale add for those exact same chips in the exact condition for $5/chip. Now some uninformed new guy that has no idea that Jim exists or that the same chips he is contemplating buying for $5/chip are actually available elsewhere for 59¢/chip. Of course, if a "wanted" post was put up for those chips @$1/chip he would also be able to acquire as many chips as he wanted from many different sources.
I do realize that everyone gets to do what they want and that the chips that the guy bought @59¢ are his to do with as he wishes including trying to sell them a few days later to an unsuspecting new guy. I just think this behavior is lame. If I ran this forum and I could figure out a way to not allow it, I would. (difficult, if not impossible I must admit)
My OP had absolutely nothing to do with Windwalker buying all those chips @ $8 or $10 or any other chips that get bought at what ever the going rate happens to be.
The Poker Chip Market can be extremely fragile as can any market that is very thinly traded. Just think about this for a bit.....
Lets say I have a large set of chips that I know would be very coveted here by at least a few people. For my example I am going to say that there are 10 people here that would buy the set @$4/chip or more. Of those 10, 8 are only willing to pay $4, 1 is a buyer up to $16/chip and the last guy has enough money that he doesn't care. He wants the chips no matter what and is a buyer up to $100/chip. In this scenario in an auction the chips will sell @ $16.01/ chip, right? But.... all it takes is for 1 buyer to disappear and the chips now sell @ $4.01. The dang things lost 75% of the sale price overnight because one of those 2 guys became disinterested for some reason. Idk, they got sick, died, their wife found out they were buying little clay thingy's for $16 ea whatever. See how fragile this whole thing can be?
My whole point with the OP in the 1st place had nothing to do with the 2 guys knowingly getting into a bidding war and one of them winding up buying chips @ $16.01 and the seller profiting, but did have everything to do with the guy buying chips @59¢ and trying to sell them to an unsuspecting person @ $5/chip when the market is really 59¢/chip.
Wait a minute I’ve never flipped and wasn’t included in nagbs r sure that was the requirment?.?Well, my wry comment was certainly not intended as a pitchfork...massive eye rolls are hard to convey. It was, without further comment, intended as a gentle ribbing that only long-time members would comprehend, and I intended to leave it at that. But so be it. I think the difference between you and me on this point is that I don't engage in revisionist history about my behavior. The sordid story of you flogging the Wynns (among others) for maximum profit is well-known amongst longtime members, as are some of your other questionable actions over the years.
So, now, to your gotcha point: Have I profited from the sale of chips? Yes. On many occasions, in fact. Mostly on chips I owned for a long time. I've also sold for a loss. Or sent a bottle of premium whisky to someone (many someones, in fact), for no reason at all. But I don't paper over the fact that I've sold chips at a price higher than I paid. And I've never hoovered up chips with the primary purpose of profit. Let's set the record staight about my offer of ES chips to you. You are absolutely correct that I reached out to you and offered you some ES $20s. Was I the first? Perhaps technically I might have been the first to initiate contact with you (and not vice versa), but I don't really know. But at the time, I had been told by several folks that you were looking for ES cash chips via PM and, as I recall, you had posted a thread expressing interest in buying them. But to suggest I "couldn't wait to flip" them? Not even close. (Lest we forget, reputation for flipping was likely the reason you weren't part of the boat buy.) TBH, I was not really looking to sell any at that point in time, but given the prices you were offering, and since by then you were a known and notorious flipper, yes, I offered you chips at the top of your self-stated price range. But as we both know, you had already purchased ES $20s by that point, and passed on mine. Did I later sell some boat chips at going rates? Yes. I also sold racks and racks at cost or extremely modest prices.
But you know what? All of this is water under the bridge. We all make mistakes (I've made plenty). And I have actually found much of your recent content and participation on the forum to be refreshing, and I bear you no ill will. We've even had nice interactions on the site. Are you still selling chips for value? Sure. So are others. So am I. And I don't fault you or anyone else for that. But...you should re-read your own post, which I quoted. It was--to be charitable--so lolz about past history that I felt the need to obliquely call you out on it.
Pot? It's kettle. You're black.
Yes I do. Same way bcc and asm and trk did. customs from all 3 at point. It’s the nickel dime for every option you want. Dg on base add .. bright white .. shaped inlays ... dg edge add. lvl 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 etc..Not to be rude, but do you understand how CPC makes chips? If you do, then you wouldn’t question their pricing levels.
I believe Jim should institute a no Resell policy . If you buy them From the sale no reselling for more than price he listed them for. If so your not allowed to be part of next one. Trade would be fine.
this would curb the flipping to some extinct.
Yes I do. Same way bcc and asm and trk did. customs from all 3 at point. It’s the nickel dime for every option you want. Dg on base add .. bright white .. shaped inlays ... dg edge add. lvl 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 etc..
how about this
level 1-5same price
lv 6-9
lvl 10-11
lvl 12+
can’t tell me some lvl 5 are more exp than lvl3s or 2. Same for lvl 9vs 6
no Up charges for bright white or dg
He actually did that a couple of years ago. But the he realized it was pretty much impossible to track. Then he tried selling a smaller casino release in a sort of modified auction format. Ultimately he came back to what he'd been doing, what he's doing now.I believe Jim should institute a no Resell policy . If you buy them From the sale no reselling for more than price he listed them for. If so your not allowed to be part of next one.
But if your theme is something like "Smokey Mountain Poker", or "Big Kahuna Beach Resort", "One-Eyed Jacks", or even "The Dog House", then your set would have broad appeal and your reselling options wouldn't be so limited.
He actually did that a couple of years ago. But the he realized it was pretty much impossible to track. Then he tried selling a smaller casino release in a sort of modified auction format. Ultimately he came back to what he'd been doing, what he's doing now.
Jim should call you for health advice, you know all about him.Ya I remember when he said that. I thought it was kinda funny. He was upset because he thought chippers were "taking advantage of him" and that he could have made more money off us but then when he tried to increase his prices on the next sale he realized, oh ya, they're harder to sell through at higher prices lol. So he went back to cheaper chips for a quicker flip instead of sitting on inventory for decades like the Chip Exchange. All these efforts to control a free market crack me up. "if I catch you flipping chips you'll be banned!" lol. All that did was make people post WTB ads while flippers sold to them via PM.
We should all call him for advice about everything, there is nothing he doesn’t knowJim should call you for health advice, you know all about him.
My recollection is slightly different. The prices used to be noticeably lower on the initial sales. Remembering Aces, Aztar, etc. Particularly the higher denomination chips. The prices on those went up and have never come down.Ya I remember when he said that. I thought it was kinda funny. He was upset because he thought chippers were "taking advantage of him" and that he could have made more money off us but then when he tried to increase his prices on the next sale he realized, oh ya, they're harder to sell through at higher prices lol. So he went back to cheaper chips for a quicker flip instead of sitting on inventory for decades like the Chip Exchange. All these efforts to control a free market crack me up. "if I catch you flipping chips you'll be banned!" lol. All that did was make people post WTB ads while flippers sold to them via PM.
This! Buying and selling will sort itself out...Every time I see another thread go up like this, I am like...
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All I can tell you is you get what you want out of this forum, period.
If you choose to get in the drama then you will receive drama. If you want to concentrate on buying and selling then thats what you get. If you want to be a seller then be a seller. I see many on here that are "members" and 99% of their adds are sales adds. Is this wrong? I am not one to say it is wrong. This is how they choose to participate in our forum.
Community is a word that is used very loosely to describe all that are in this group. I think of it more like we have many communities within the community. There is a community of Chip collectors, a community of friends, a community of sellers, a community of buyers, a community of flippers and so on. Some people may call them cliques other will call them communities! Chose you community or communities that you like and get involved.
To the newbies, get involved where you think you want to be and get involved. There are a bunch of great people here that can help.
I will add that I have never put anyone on my ignore list. I find it kind of funny that people cannot just read a post and move on if they do not like it. I see them put them open ignore and then un-ignore them to make comments. I also see people saying you are on my ignore list and thence them commenting on posts. If I disagree with someone I choose to ignore what they write but not ignore the person.
So to all the members, what is your community?
Enjoy the hobby and know there are many, many other forums and subsets of collectors that go through the same thing we keep "beating a dead horse" over.
Find you hobby happiness from within!
Keep on Chipping!
This! And remember, motives may be more complex than you think.Every time I see another thread go up like this, I am like...
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All I can tell you is you get what you want out of this forum, period.
If you choose to get in the drama then you will receive drama. If you want to concentrate on buying and selling then thats what you get. If you want to be a seller then be a seller. I see many on here that are "members" and 99% of their adds are sales adds. Is this wrong? I am not one to say it is wrong. This is how they choose to participate in our forum.
Community is a word that is used very loosely to describe all that are in this group. I think of it more like we have many communities within the community. There is a community of Chip collectors, a community of friends, a community of sellers, a community of buyers, a community of flippers and so on. Some people may call them cliques other will call them communities! Chose you community or communities that you like and get involved.
To the newbies, get involved where you think you want to be and get involved. There are a bunch of great people here that can help.
I will add that I have never put anyone on my ignore list. I find it kind of funny that people cannot just read a post and move on if they do not like it. I see them put them open ignore and then un-ignore them to make comments. I also see people saying you are on my ignore list and thence them commenting on posts. If I disagree with someone I choose to ignore what they write but not ignore the person.
So to all the members, what is your community?
Enjoy the hobby and know there are many, many other forums and subsets of collectors that go through the same thing we keep "beating a dead horse" over.
Find you hobby happiness from within!
Keep on Chipping!
This! Buying and selling will sort itself out...
Take that guy listing Crystal Parks right now on eBay for $4+/chip. Someone starting have a thread ridiculing the sale on the “Facebook/eBay sales“ section. Old chippers know he’s full of malarkey; new chippers are learning from the ridicule that the price is absurd. Oh, and nobody has bought the chips. It’s sorting itself out.
This! And remember, motives may be more complex than you think.
I joined because Im an old chiptalk member long obsessed with chips. In June, I found a mint set of 300 A-molds for a steal. I couldn’t score more A-molds, so I tried matching up other chips to them; Jambine did me a favor with 300 horse heads for 20c/chip. I bought other lots, got a little carried away, and now I am flipping chips in a “hobby business” I never planned on but am not complaining about either.
Jambine did me a favor. Would it be fair to flip those chips for more? I didn’t buy them for resale—that was not where my head was at the time—but now I have them. What exactly constitutes being fair as a member of this community?
Thorny questions. I hesitate to judge.
I will argue that my newly minted efforts, albeit mostly on eBay, are beneficial to the community. When you find 200-300 old horse heads (or hub mold, or flower mold, or you name it), it’s usually not a playable set in the modern sense. 50 years ago, poker was often four guys sitting at a table. Today, home games usually have 6 or more players. Modern playable sets demand more chips.
Generally, my hobby business model is to buy old clays for about 20c/chip and flip for 30c/chip. My grounds: I saved the buyer the legwork of hunting down 2-3 lots of X mold to assemble the set, which warrants some compensation.
Would it be unethical to buy chips here for flipping? I don’t know. Just in case, I’ll make a point of saying “these are for resale” if buying chips here. I’m selling, but am also member of a community.
Still, I hesitate to judge.
Hello. I am an asshole.The community is far too polarized to consider what others think in what you choose to do.
Regardless of your choice, 50% will think you're fine and 50% will think you're an a-hole. Pick the path that lines up with your morals/ethics and don't worry about the noise.
I'm not religious by any stretch of the imagination, but I think the Golden Rule should apply - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Hello. I am an asshole.
funny way to spell murdererHello. I am an asshole.
Y'all know me, gotta "go mill"Interesting. I always thought 'milling chips' was a funny way to refer to thread fuckery.