What Do You Think Of A Flush Frenzy Poker Room Promo? (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Martino]

The concept is for a room that operates anywhere from 12-16 hours per day and has dedicated opening and closing times to represent a single "session"

- Player must make a flush of all four suits during their session
- Player must use both hole cards for their flush to qualify
- Player must win the hand in order for that flush to qualify
- If playing PLO player must FLOP the flush
- If playing NLH the flush can be made at anytime through the river

Do you guys think this is a good promo to run? Generates action? Builds a good sized jackpot to win?

 

[Sprouty]

Does the sound of a toilet flushing play when someone hits the jackpot?

 

[ekricket]

Well when we have a high hand jackpot in home games it usually stunts the action until a high enough bar has been established. People will try to check down anything of value until then. How are you tracking progress when somebodies working on it?

Little out of the box here, what about a parlay type thing? Like in one session you have to win with every kind of poker hand. This includes high card only! Maybe bonuses for going partway up the ladder, and a grand prize for them all. Damn nightmare to track.

 

[shorticus]

The concept is for a room that operates anywhere from 12-16 hours per day and has dedicated opening and closing times to represent a single "session"

- Player must make a flush of all four suits during their session
- Player must use both hole cards for their flush to qualify
- Player must win the hand in order for that flush to qualify
- If playing PLO player must FLOP the flush
- If playing NLH the flush can be made at anytime through the river

Do you guys think this is a good promo to run? Generates action? Builds a good sized jackpot to win?

How do you keep track? Would the dealers give players some sort of item representing each flush suit? If so, with the change in dealers, how do you prevent people exchanging items? I’m genuinely curious with this one.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Well when we have a high hand jackpot in home games it usually stunts the action until a high enough bar has been established. People will try to check down anything of value until then. How are you tracking progress when somebodies working on it?

Little out of the box here, what about a parlay type thing? Like in one session you have to win with every kind of poker hand. This includes high card only! Maybe bonuses for going partway up the ladder, and a grand prize for them all. Damn nightmare to track.

The parlay does sound like a nightmare to track

How do you keep track? Would the dealers give players some sort of item representing each flush suit? If so, with the change in dealers, how do you prevent people exchanging items? I’m genuinely curious with this one.

We'd have a board or display of some sort with a section for each flush suit and then when a qualifying hand is made the dealer notifies the floor who puts the players name up on the board for the qualifying flush for that day.

 

[inca911]

Sounds overly complicated to me. Is your goal to get players to play more hours in a given day, or play multiple days in a week, or play low traffic days? Do you have data on current player behaviors you are looking to change? Once the goals are defined, the structure can follow.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Sounds overly complicated to me. Is your goal to get players to play more hours in a given day, or play multiple days in a week, or play low traffic days? Do you have data on current player behaviors you are looking to change? Once the goals are defined, the structure will follow.

Play more hours and generate more action as players attach to suited cards more

If a player already is already two flushes in they may want to play more for the shot

Plus it can be difficult to clear, which wpuld increase the size of the prize, bringing more players in trying to hit it

In TX we can't pull a jackpot drop per hand, so rooms instead take $2 from a member when they start play that day, which goes direct to the jackpot pool

Currently our room does a HH promo, but it is a specific HH that changes daily (i.e. today it's quad Kings, tmrw it's quad 4's, etc) so it's not ALL quads, etc

Figured the flush promo might generate more action and keep butts in seats longer

 

[shorticus]

So it lasts until someone hits it?

 

[Anthony Martino]

So it lasts until someone hits it?

Possibly, maybe it resets to 500 immediately or next day

 

[shorticus]

Possibly, maybe it resets to 500 immediately or next day

Resetting daily seems like a sucker bet. It’s almost like the lottery. If you play it until someone hits it, that might attract attention. Maybe you can reset the money daily, but you should definitely let the players stay where they are. If I made 3 flushes Saturday, you better believe im checking on Sunday to show up and try and complete it before anyone else.

The whole having to play both cards increases the difficulty. If it’s a huge pot, then it’s fun, but resetting to $500 plus resetting the hands daily might not be as attractive.

Even so, I think you may be onto something. Sounds fun.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Resetting daily seems like a sucker bet. It’s almost like the lottery. If you play it until someone hits it, that might attract attention. Maybe you can reset the money daily, but you should definitely let the players stay where they are. If I made 3 flushes Saturday, you better believe im checking on Sunday to show up and try and complete it before anyone else.

The whole having to play both cards increases the difficulty. If it’s a huge pot, then it’s fun, but resetting to $500 plus resetting the hands daily might not be as attractive.

Even so, I think you may be onto something. Sounds fun.

It's only reset when hit, not daily

 

[Anthony Martino]

Resetting daily seems like a sucker bet. It’s almost like the lottery. If you play it until someone hits it, that might attract attention. Maybe you can reset the money daily, but you should definitely let the players stay where they are. If I made 3 flushes Saturday, you better believe im checking on Sunday to show up and try and complete it before anyone else.

The whole having to play both cards increases the difficulty. If it’s a huge pot, then it’s fun, but resetting to $500 plus resetting the hands daily might not be as attractive.

Even so, I think you may be onto something. Sounds fun.

I mean the jackpot grows if not hit, but you don't get to carry flushes you hit today to another session, gotta be in a single day

 

[shorticus]

I mean the jackpot grows if not hit, but you don't get to carry flushes you hit today to another session, gotta be in a single day

4 flushes with both cards of 4 different suits in a single session? That might be more difficult than the BBJ

 

[Anthony Martino]

4 flushes with both cards of 4 different suits in a single session? That might be more difficult than the BBJ

Which might produce a huge prize that draws people in and keeps them playing after they've got 2 flushes under their beltd

 

[upNdown]

Player must win the hand in order for that flush to qualify

Why?

 

[Highli99]

The average poker player barely understands bad beat jackpots. This is a clever idea but way too complicated IMO.

Simple is good!!

 

[ekricket]

The average poker player barely understands bad beat jackpots. This is a clever idea but way too complicated IMO.

Simple is good!!

Lol imagine the confusion! Gonna make you wish all they asked was “what value is this color ?”

 

[Anthony Martino]

Why?

Increases the difficulty to hit the prize, allowing the prize pool to grow, which draws in more players trying to hit it.

 

[Anthony Martino]

The average poker player barely understands bad beat jackpots. This is a clever idea but way too complicated IMO.

Simple is good!!

Player must make a flush of all four suits in a single day, use both holecards and win the hands to qualify is too complicated?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Player must make a flush of all four suits in a single day, use both holecards and win the hands to qualify is too complicated?

Yes. You'll have people misremembering the suits of the flushes they've had, asking someone/dealer to check what they've already had, and whining when they only use one hole card.

What about non showdown? Players asking for rabbit hunting when they have a flush?

 

[Anthony Martino]

Yes. You'll have people misremembering the suits of the flushes they've had, asking someone/dealer to check what they've already had, and whining when they only use one hole card.

What about non showdown? Players asking for rabbit hunting when they have a flush?

We'd had a display board with someones name and the suits they've hit so far in the room so they can easily see.

Currently the promo is they have to hit a specific high hand each day (i.e. today it's quad 5's, tomorrow it's quad 6's, etc) and you must use both hole cards. Using both holecards is generally the guiding rule in most of these room promos that I've seen. Whining players will whine regardless I suppose.

But we're limited because we can't pull a jackpot drop per hand, we only take a jackpot pull when they initially buy in for the entire day, just $2. So this would help us to build a larger attractive prize to play for.

If you make a qualifying flush and win the hand without showdown then it qualifies as long as you turn your hand over so it can be recorded. However, no rabbit hunting to see if you would have made a qualifying flush.

 

[upNdown]

Increases the difficulty to hit the prize, allowing the prize pool to grow, which draws in more players trying to hit it.

Okay. I was just thinking that people would give even more action if they didn't have to win.

 

[timinater]

- Player must make a flush of all four suits during their session
- Player must use both hole cards for their flush to qualify
- Player must win the hand in order for that flush to qualify
- If playing PLO player must FLOP the flush
- If playing NLH the flush can be made at anytime through the river

Do you guys think this is a good promo to run? Generates action? Builds a good sized jackpot to win?

Simplify. Dealers and floor will hate tracking this, and players will be confused by the rules and caveats.

Try this, Flush Frenzy Hot Seats (hell, use a toilet in the graphics). Win a hand with a flush w/both hole cards and the dealer fires you an entry ballot that enters the player into an hourly draw for $X dollar prize or whatever prize method fits your budget/"drop". Must be actively seated and playing to win your prize or a new hot seat is drawn.

We'd have a board or display of some sort with a section for each flush suit and then when a qualifying hand is made the dealer notifies the floor who puts the players name up on the board for the qualifying flush for that day.

If you're married to the idea, you need to print up daily tracking sheets for each player. Make the flush or whatever and dealer stamps it. Turn in the successfully completed passport for prize.

 

[ekricket]

Simplify. Dealers and floor will hate tracking this, and players will be confused by the rules and caveats.

Try this, Flush Frenzy Hot Seats (hell, use a toilet in the graphics). Win a hand with a flush w/both hole cards and the dealer fires you an entry ballot that enters the player into an hourly draw for $X dollar prize or whatever prize method fits your budget/"drop". Must be actively seated and playing to win your prize or a new hot seat is drawn.

If you're married to the idea, you need to print up daily tracking sheets for each player. Make the flush or whatever and dealer stamps it. Turn in the successfully completed passport for prize.

Just play Keno if everybody has to have a game card.

 

[timinater]

Just play Keno if everybody has to have a game card.

Don't besmirch the great game of Keno.

 

[ekricket]

Don't besmirch the great game of Keno.

Bingo also holds a crowd till the end
Pokeeno is also popular

 

[Anthony Martino]

Simplify. Dealers and floor will hate tracking this, and players will be confused by the rules and caveats.

Try this, Flush Frenzy Hot Seats (hell, use a toilet in the graphics). Win a hand with a flush w/both hole cards and the dealer fires you an entry ballot that enters the player into an hourly draw for $X dollar prize or whatever prize method fits your budget/"drop". Must be actively seated and playing to win your prize or a new hot seat is drawn.

If you're married to the idea, you need to print up daily tracking sheets for each player. Make the flush or whatever and dealer stamps it. Turn in the successfully completed passport for prize.

The problem is that this is a small room that averages 1 table/day. In addition, we can't take a jackpot drop per hand, instead having to just take a $2 drop when a player initially goes to the cage and gets their first buyin for the day.

So it's extremely difficult to put out a daily prize because of these limitations as the prize wouldn't be anything of significance.

That's why I'm trying to find a promotion that will encourage action in the games while also allowing us to build up a prize that people can get excited about playing for.

Down in Houston I saw Champions Club (the place that spent something like $12 million renovating a hotel and turning it into a destination property with dining, rooms and poker) has struggled to get much traction, and they're just offering something like $50 high hands, like, who gives a fuck about 50 bucks? You've gotta have something with substance I think.

As far as tracking it goes, we could create a "Flush Frenzy" heading in Poker Atlas where we put a players name and then list S/H/D/C to represent which qualifying flushes they've made so it's viewable in the room and easily tracked for the day (I tried to put in the graphics for the suits with poker atlas but it didn't let me)

Given the size of our room and the amount of action I don't think tracking it would be too much of a chore, but someone else on another forum brought up an additional potential issue:

What happens when someone in hold'em has and the board is

They have a flush and it was "qualified" on the turn, but the river counterfeited them and they're now using four cards from the board and only one card from their hand, so they no longer "qualify" as they aren't using "both hole cards"

So gotta still think on this a bit or come up with something else.

Right now they do a specific high hand each day is what can qualify for the prize. So today it could be quad 5's and tomorrow it's quad 8's and the next day only a royal flush gets you there, etc.

If we could pull per hand for the prize pool it'd be a lot easier, but given the limitations it's a bit more work to craft a promotion that encourages action, gets players staying longer and creates a prize folks can get excited over.

 

[ekricket]

The problem is that this is a small room that averages 1 table/day. In addition, we can't take a jackpot drop per hand, instead having to just take a $2 drop when a player initially goes to the cage and gets their first buyin for the day.

but given the limitations it's a bit more work to craft a promotion that encourages action, gets players staying longer and creates a prize folks can get excited over.

Sounds like you are only getting $20-40 per day to build a jackpot? Sounds like everybody, including the players, needs to be realistic about what you can do. $50 sounds like peanuts to you but it’s better than $0 or an impossibly hard to get goal.

I e seen something like this in a small cardroom. With one table - they just fold until there is jackpot hand possibility and then everybody just checks it down once it’s known that somebody has a chance. They quit playing poker and just start play “jackpot”.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Sounds like you are only getting $20-40 per day to build a jackpot? Sounds like everybody, including the players, needs to be realistic about what you can do. $50 sounds like peanuts to you but it’s better than $0 or an impossibly hard to get goal.

I e seen something like this in a small cardroom. With one table - they just fold until there is jackpot hand possibility and then everybody just checks it down once it’s known that somebody has a chance. They quit playing poker and just start play “jackpot”.

The way we do it now is to seed the prize pool at $500 when it's hit, and then each week the prize pool is updated based on what is taken in. The high hand had previously been hit for a little under $1300 and recently was hit for around $700 I believe.

But we don't feel that promotion by itself has much impact on keeping players in the seats playing longer unfortunately

 

[ekricket]

The way we do it now is to seed the prize pool at $500 when it's hit, and then each week the prize pool is updated based on what is taken in. The high hand had previously been hit for a little under $1300 and recently was hit for around $700 I believe.

But we don't feel that promotion by itself has much impact on keeping players in the seats playing longer unfortunately

My belief is that paying smaller amounts more frequently is going to get more seats than a piddling bonus that isn’t going to attract anyone more than 50 miles away.

Sometimes it’s not the amount, it’s simply that somebody won something “from the casino”. Man the smaller casinos in OK give away toasters and hand mixers and they fill tables. I’m not kidding.