Blinds 100/200. You are in BB with one 1k chip out for your blind. You are facing a raise to 1100. You throw out one 1k chip. What is your ruling?
Tourney What do you feel are some must have rules? (2 Viewers)
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ekricket
Royal Flush
I would say “raise” or “call” before I put any chip(s) in and that would be my ruling.
And how about if a player did this without verbalizing?
ekricket
Royal Flush
This is what I said, but in your haste to continue confusion you glossed over it. Read it carefully.
I'd say imitating a bomb and explosion is just as good as saying "raise" lol
Though it would be hilarious to see someone do this in a casino just for the dealer to nonchalantly say "call" (verbalizing that players action) and move on lol
The 1k chip stays out there, he isn't removing anything. He adds one 1k chip.
ekricket
Royal Flush
That’s not the scenario I was referring to. If he takes his one chip back and adds two $5000 chips without saying a word you think he is just calling? In your world the big blind can’t raise unless he verbalizes it, no matter what.
What are you on about? Where did I say bb has to verbalize?? Post 82 I said two 5k would be raise to 10,000. TDA rule 45, multiple chip betting.
I'm asking you what would be your ruling if a player in the bb at 100/200 has one 1k chip for blind and is facing 1100 raise and places one 1k chip.
ekricket
Royal Flush
What is your ruling if the big blind removes his one $1000 chip and replaces it with two $5000 chips? That’s the only scenario I have addressed or mentioned. It looks like you agree with me, even though you say this
I was referring to the multiple chip rule 45 when all chips were required for the call and if not then it's a raise.
NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
ekricket
Royal Flush
Two $5000 chips more than covers the call. What if he only had one $1000 chip and 20 $5000. You say it’s a call because he couldn’t make change?
Post 82 I said two 5k chips is a raise.
Two 5k chips is a raise, two 1k chips is a call. And you say both scenarios are raises?
ekricket
Royal Flush
I never said that anywhere, no matter how much you want to put words in my posts just to argue about. I said if the BB pulls his chip back and puts two larger chips in then it is a raise.
In your world, how can the BB ever raise without saying anything? Could it possibly be the above scenario?
For reference -again- please read it this time, here is my post
legend672
Full House
No face farts
ekricket
Royal Flush
I’m sorry, in bizzaro world is $1000 greater than $1000, or is it equal?
I haven’t lost sight of the fact that we are playing Confusion.
When facing a raise to 1100, you are saying two 1k chips is a raise. It clearly isn't.
ArielVer18
Flush
I like this. I have a 30 second verbal spiel to new players to quickly go over the main rules. No one is expected to read the rulebook. They just learn as they go.
ekricket
Royal Flush
I never said that anywhere. Get that through your tiny head.
ekricket
Royal Flush
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.
I’m sorry if you don’t want to understand this.
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.
I’m sorry if you don’t want to understand this.
Two 1k chips would be two larger chips. This is not a raise. TDA Rule 45
Call.
Raise.
Scenario #3:
BB has 1000 posted for his 200 blind and is facing a raise to 1100. BB pulls back his 1000 and tosses in two 1000 chips (or tosses in four 500 chips, or tosses in twenty 100 chips). It's a (legal) raise to 2000, regardless of what fucked-up rule is listed in TDA. Same would apply if he had posted 200, or a single 500 chip.
As a TD, I'm not going to hold players accountable for constructing their multiple-chip bets/raises so that a certain percentage of chips (but the same total) is sometimes a call and sometimes a raise. If the action clearly denotes or implies a raise, then that's the ruling. Basis? In the best interest of the game.
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I'll beat this horse once more, but, my original post mentioned the shady area of adding and pulling chips without verbalizing... and, I believe i mentioned that was for another thread. Now that @Defarse has totally crapped this thread I'll go ahead and make the point he missed. In a home game, which the OP was clearly talking about when asking about which rules he should emphasize, as a host he has an opportunity to set rules that work best for HIS/HER game. There are some establishments where, in the original scenario, when the two 1k chips go over the line then the bet just became 2200, those two 1k chips and the BB that was already in. There were a couple of ways that this could be ruled, but, the subtle point i was trying to make was lost on you due to your desire to argue your knowledge of rules.
There are shady gray areas of putting chips out and then pulling some back, and believe it or not, there are players that use moves like this as an angle. This is something that a new host needs to be aware of. It's controversial and can cause problems. There's a fine line between putting chips out and pulling some back in a "legal" move versus "illegal." If you've played enough then you know what I'm talking about. As @ekricket mentioned when douchebags do this then we know what kind of person we're dealing with. When it's truly accidental those same "is this a douchebag" alarms go off in my head. Much of this can be averted by the host setting the rules for the kind of play he wants to see in his game.
There are shady gray areas of putting chips out and then pulling some back, and believe it or not, there are players that use moves like this as an angle. This is something that a new host needs to be aware of. It's controversial and can cause problems. There's a fine line between putting chips out and pulling some back in a "legal" move versus "illegal." If you've played enough then you know what I'm talking about. As @ekricket mentioned when douchebags do this then we know what kind of person we're dealing with. When it's truly accidental those same "is this a douchebag" alarms go off in my head. Much of this can be averted by the host setting the rules for the kind of play he wants to see in his game.
a couple rules of mine:
No fights are permitted indoors.
Fights are permitted outdoors but ONLY AFTER the other players have had ample opportunity to set odds and make wagers on the outcome.
No fights are permitted indoors.
Fights are permitted outdoors but ONLY AFTER the other players have had ample opportunity to set odds and make wagers on the outcome.
This.
Reminds me of a (new to the game) player many years ago who, when it was their shuffle, would sometimes look at the winning hand if it was mucked as she gathered up the cards. I didn't see it the first few times it happened, as she were at another table. When I saw it at my table, I just chatted with her during the break and explained that wasn't really in good form, and how it could impact her if someone was to do it with her cards and then take advantage of it. She was mortified, had no idea, etc. etc., and it never happened again.
Had a guy at one tourny drop a deuce..... needed to repaint the basement
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