Was angle shot at casino - ethical, unethical? you decide (2 Viewers)

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After I got off the boat at 8am Saturday morning in Ft Lauderdale, I had 4 hours to kill before my flight, so I went to Hard Rock Casino in Hollywood FL (Ft Lauderdale FL). When I got there they had 3 tables of 1/2. Of course, at 8am it is infested with regs and OMCs. I had been seated about 20 minutes when this happened...

I get KJo in position and raise it up to 7, 1 caller. The table seemed to be playing fairly tight so far. The caller is an OMC, definitely at least 80+.

Flop is K 8 4, all clubs - I have no clubs, so top pair, good kicker.

The OMC starts doing the continuous tap, tap, nonstop. I check too.

Turn is a low non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping through the dealing of the flop and turn and keeps tapping. I too check again.

River is also a non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping. I pause and look at my chips to decide on a bet. He immediately stop tapping and picks up his cards and puts them between his fingers and starting doing the toss into the much motion - back and forth, and back and forth, as if we waiting on me to bet so he can fold.

I bet $10 expecting a fold. Instead, he raises to $20. I call. He flips over Ac8c for the nut flush.

Clearly I got angle shot, but was all that ethical in your eyes, or part of the game?
 
I don’t think it’s an angle. It’s deception. It’s not particularly cool, but he got you for a whopping ten big blinds, so good on him?
Edit - When I say “not cool” I mean that literally, like he’s not a cool guy. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what he did. Lame, but fine.
 
I definitely got played, no doubt about it. It was just so excessive that he wanted to get the hand over with that is was beyond a tell. We all had a good laugh at the table, myself included. I told him he got me, but it won't happen again. He moved to another table shortly there after. I guess he had 1 move and we all had seen it, lol.
 
I definitely got played, no doubt about it. It was just so excessive that he wanted to get the hand over with that is was beyond a tell. We all had a good laugh at the table, myself included. I told him he got me, but it won't happen again. He moved to another table shortly there after. I guess he had 1 move and we all had seen it, lol.
I mean the joke is totally on him. He flopped the nuts and pretty much made the minimum. Like, his total profit on that hand was 15bb? Even though he played you, you definitely should be laughing at him.
 
OMC being an OMC, that's all. Weak is strong and strong is weak, and why bet the nuts when one of those crazy aggro teeny-boppers will do it for you? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

You've just gotta watch these crafty Floridians. He's taking your $27 (minus rake) to the BANK!
 
He was just waiting for you to catch up, typical OMC fare, not an angle though just feeding you fake tells (actually easy tells). He will telling the story how this young buck fell for his stellar play for weeks.

After I got off the boat at 8am Saturday morning in Ft Lauderdale, I had 4 hours to kill before my flight, so I went to Hard Rock Casino in Hollywood FL (Ft Lauderdale FL). When I got there they had 3 tables of 1/2. Of course, at 8am it is infested with regs and OMCs. I had been seated about 20 minutes when this happened...

I get KJo in position and raise it up to 7, 1 caller. The table seemed to be playing fairly tight so far. The caller is an OMC, definitely at least 80+.

Flop is K 8 4, all clubs - I have no clubs, so top pair, good kicker.

The OMC starts doing the continuous tap, tap, nonstop. I check too.

Turn is a low non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping through the dealing of the flop and turn and keeps tapping. I too check again.

River is also a non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping. I pause and look at my chips to decide on a bet. He immediately stop tapping and picks up his cards and puts them between his fingers and starting doing the toss into the much motion - back and forth, and back and forth, as if we waiting on me to bet so he can fold.

I bet $10 expecting a fold. Instead, he raises to $20. I call. He flips over Ac8c for the nut flush.

Clearly I got angle shot, but was all that ethical in your eyes, or part of the game?
Obviously a typo but I'd be more worried that that deck has two 8c's ;)
 
After I got off the boat at 8am Saturday morning in Ft Lauderdale, I had 4 hours to kill before my flight, so I went to Hard Rock Casino in Hollywood FL (Ft Lauderdale FL). When I got there they had 3 tables of 1/2. Of course, at 8am it is infested with regs and OMCs. I had been seated about 20 minutes when this happened...

I get KJo in position and raise it up to 7, 1 caller. The table seemed to be playing fairly tight so far. The caller is an OMC, definitely at least 80+.

Flop is K 8 4, all clubs - I have no clubs, so top pair, good kicker.

The OMC starts doing the continuous tap, tap, nonstop. I check too.

Turn is a low non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping through the dealing of the flop and turn and keeps tapping. I too check again.

River is also a non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping. I pause and look at my chips to decide on a bet. He immediately stop tapping and picks up his cards and puts them between his fingers and starting doing the toss into the much motion - back and forth, and back and forth, as if we waiting on me to bet so he can fold.

I bet $10 expecting a fold. Instead, he raises to $20. I call. He flips over Ac8c for the nut flush.

Clearly I got angle shot, but was all that ethical in your eyes, or part of the game?
WELL - I'd be immediately calling the floor man.
Flop is K 8 4, all clubs. He flips over Ac8c
Hmm. 2 8c's in the deck o_O
 
After I got off the boat at 8am Saturday morning in Ft Lauderdale, I had 4 hours to kill before my flight, so I went to Hard Rock Casino in Hollywood FL (Ft Lauderdale FL). When I got there they had 3 tables of 1/2. Of course, at 8am it is infested with regs and OMCs. I had been seated about 20 minutes when this happened...

I get KJo in position and raise it up to 7, 1 caller. The table seemed to be playing fairly tight so far. The caller is an OMC, definitely at least 80+.

Flop is K 8 4, all clubs - I have no clubs, so top pair, good kicker.

The OMC starts doing the continuous tap, tap, nonstop. I check too.

Turn is a low non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping through the dealing of the flop and turn and keeps tapping. I too check again.

River is also a non-club. He continues his non-stop tapping. I pause and look at my chips to decide on a bet. He immediately stop tapping and picks up his cards and puts them between his fingers and starting doing the toss into the much motion - back and forth, and back and forth, as if we waiting on me to bet so he can fold.

I bet $10 expecting a fold. Instead, he raises to $20. I call. He flips over Ac8c for the nut flush.

Clearly I got angle shot, but was all that ethical in your eyes, or part of the game?
Not an angle at all.
 
You want to get Caros Book of Tells.
Not the only or best guide for reading tells, but it will easily pay for itself the first time you spot something.
 
Old Man, with Coffee = OMC That's me. Better to just fold when I bet. I never bluff, always have the near nuts. You'll see when we are at the meat-up games mixed tables. Oh - and I am so, so, so easy to bluff. Be sure and do that too.

Not an angle shot. Hero was outplayed.

A very cheap lesson. Worth every dollar if Hero was paying attention -=- DrStrange
 
Would a stereotypical OMC call a 2.5 BB raise with an Ax hand that wasn't AQ+ (or maybe AJ+) even suited? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Let's go back and look at the tape....Replay of OMC:

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Official ruling: NOT an angle.
 
Oh yea not an angle at all. Not even unethical IMO.

Good players might run you over tho if you adjust too far to obvious intentional tells like this from low value pots. Basically handing them a “bluff me” button…
 

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