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State of the Current Union/Chip Buying Advice (1 Viewer)

tabletalker7 said:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/excited-to-join-advice-much-appreciated.59589/#post-1160595

In this post I advised a new person to

The very next post told them to consider taking their budget and doubling it
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not everyone agrees that samples are the way to go. You shouldn’t speak for the whole board as We when advising a new member. To me it’s a big waste of time and money on postage. We have a different opinion. Doesn’t make me right and you wrong, it’s just a different way of looking at things.
 
Josh Kifer said:
BANNNN HERRRRRR
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For reals, we need to take that bi**h down. Not sure why she thinks we need to be informing and helping every new chipper along. Burn them and their money!
Perthmike said:
Hey, try being an Aussie :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
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I feel like I can do it from our convos and your pictures. Never work more than 40 hours AND light blunts in rock gardens? In.
legend672 said:
not everyone agrees that samples are the way to go. You shouldn’t speak for the whole board as We when advising a new member. To me it’s a big waste of time and money on postage. We have a different opinion. Doesn’t make me right and you wrong, it’s just a different way of looking at things.
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I usually just mention theres an entire sample thing that floats around with all the various chips. I @ forty4 or someone else running one of em.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
For reals, we need to take that bi**h down. Not sure why she thinks we need to be informing and helping every new chipper along. Burn them and their money!

I feel like I can do it from our convos and your pictures. Never work more than 40 hours AND light blunts in rock gardens? In.

I usually just mention theres an entire sample thing that floats around with all the various chips. I @ forty4 or someone else running one of em.
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A DESPICABLE ACT.
 
Just a few thoughts @tabletalker7,
Collect what you want and can afford. If what you truly like is out of your range as a set, collect it a little at a time as you can afford/find it.
I don’t own a single set that I purchased all at once. I spent YEARS piecing together much of what I own and it’s been totally worth it.
Also heed the advice of @Schmendr1ck and attend a meetup sometime. I think you’ll find that it’s like being around a giant family you never knew you had.
As far as this thread goes, it’s just @BarrieJ3 having some fun and stirring things up a bit. I’ve had the good fortune of playing cards with him on a few occasions, great guy. If you can make a meetup in the future and get to play at a table with him, you just might be able to get your hands on some Paulsons sooner than you think.;)
Best wishes going forward.
 
Marhault said:
I do agree. People obsess about what is the "best" chip
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Obsess no longer people :D
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Obsess no longer people :D
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Well those are very nice, if a little tilting for being all 3d14. Plus no shaped inlays. Shame the $5s arent yellow also. And the inlay design. Other than that very nice though lol

So i'll stick with the PCA plus murdered add-ons.
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Perthmike said:
Well those are very nice, if a little tilting for being all 3d14. Plus no shaped inlays. Shame the $5s arent yellow also. And the inlay design. Other than that very nice though lol

So i'll stick with the PCA plus murdered add-ons.
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Very funny, those don't even have an animal with a drug problem on the inlay !!!
 
lol, I also just read that post for the 1st time, you have to be kidding me, seems like great advice to me filled with all kinds of good info. I can totally see how such a post would chase away new chippers (sarcasm). This discussion has now official bored me.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
I agree, but this is my only positive contribution I'll die on. The glad handing is just ridiculous, lol you'd think everyone here was a saint, all selling grail sets for pennies. I gave it a go (just trying to talk through the chips) on a recent sales post. The chips are great, but not selling right now. I had more than one new chipper chat with me about buying it, and they were so confused trying to figure out the pricing. Lol the same question, if it's so great, why aren't people snap buying it? So we talked about colors, breakdowns, conditions, market, etc.

Funnily enough, when I reached out to get further information, the answers were positive and honestly should've probably helped the chips sale prospects. I didn't crap on the chips or the sale, but I think it's plenty fair to ask for additional public information on chips to help make the sale a little clearer, even if your not the prospective buyer.
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I appreciated seeing that post it did help me understand more about the chips with questions I would not have thought to ask.i feel like my first real dive trip, way over my head with sharks all about. The only saving grace here is to have folks help is newb out so we can snag something nice for a decent price. Hope this chiproom sale you all seem so excited about is right on the money cause I’m saving my self, like a teenage prom queen, for it.
 
Would be great timing if Jim was able to release some info about the next sale.

50% would start crunching numbers & breakdowns (in line with %)
30% would look for means to up their budget
10% would just hunt pr0n shots and info
10% would have no interrest but have fun snatching up sets/chips that come available or watch things unfold

A big sale normally boosts moral on the board...i don't think this one is going to be any different
 
tabletalker7 said:
Ok - I know I have only been here a year and maybe I don't see thing the same way the rest of PCF does, but this is my story and my input.

I wanted to reestablish my home game. I had gotten a new job, bought a new house, and moved a few years prior. I lost touch with a lot of my old players, so I had to get things going basically from nothing. At the same time my old game was just a bunch of drunks playing in my garage so very VERY little mattered. I wanted to "up my game" when I got my home game going. I wanted something better than poker being the excuse to destroy my liver. A google search brought me to PCF. Signing up was free, so I signed up immediately.
In the beginning PCF was a giant classified ad. After a week, the ads ended and then it became great! I learned about re felting my Barington table, RROP, the value of a hot dog roller (you would think a fat guy who likes food would have thought of that on his own, but alas, I am a dumbass), and the "Vendor" section introduced me to Gene and Kristil from our friends at @BR Pro Poker and I immediately fell in love with semi custom Valentinos. Everything was great, for a while.

Once I got those chips and got them in play with new players, the comments from my new players were overwhelming positive. I have actually had to force some people to cash out at the end of the night because I don't want my chips to become souvenirs at people's houses. As a factory worker who would never be able to afford a Paulson set, they were great! So I thought it would only be appropriate to share my experience with ceramics with new people who have either never mentioned Paulsons or who admit are on a budget. Then the "classifieds" took over. I immediately became ostracized my most PCF members who have been here for more than a year, and all of them angry with me because ALL OF THEM had something for sale that people on a budget could not afford. Apparently telling someone who has a limited budget to get good ceramics because that is what they can afford is somehow against the laws of physics, as apparently people are only supposed to buy Paulson chips because "they can sell them for what they paid for them". When did it become acceptable to purchase something, use the hell out of it, and then expect to flip it with no loss of value?!? Why do people buy poker chips just because flipping them is more important than playing with them? I fell out of love with PCF for a long time (not a long time, but considering how long I have been here, it counts as a long time).

After a while I went online wondering if there was a market for shuffling machines. Still being a factory worker, there is NO WAY IN HELL I could ever a Deckmate. Google pointed me to "Shuffle Tech", but their website was lacking in reviews. In the search for a good chunk of reviews on this machine, Google search results brought me back to PCF :cautious:. After chatting about these machines for a while, I bought one. I may be lucky to have gotten a good one from them, but it is a good one, and people here were nice enough to share their experiences with these machines. I started liking PCF again.

Now I have been here for a year. I thought to celebrate the joy that being here has brought to me and my home games I would do a little giveaway - again it isn't much, but I am still a factory worker and as a result I can't afford to give away gold bars out of Fort Knox.I posted that giveaway at around 4 something in the morning, and with so little action on PCF at that hour people saw it and did what was required to get an entry. I limited total entries to 52, and I got 36 people entered in a hurry. I guess being in the most recent 1000 gets you attention. I honestly thought I would have drawn a winner by now, but the entries stopped. I started to wonder why, and then I saw why. The "Classifieds" took over PCF all over again. So I waited 24 hours to let them flow through and posted in my giveaway thread that I still had 16 entries left. Then the "Classifieds" took over again, but not new "Wanted" or "For Sale" or "Auction" items, but the same crap as yesterday with "bump" added to it. The PCF community buried me again. Honestly, how many people reading this even know I am doing a giveaway?

After a year here, I have learned this about PCF.
PCF was originally designed to be
1. A place to learn about poker chip history and admire that part of gambling.
2. A place to learn about all things poker related, to include home game fun!
PCF actually is
1. An alternative to Craigslist.
2. An advertising platform for people's eBay listings.

People who are here and don't like what PCF has become, I don't know what to tell you anymore. The only way I see to reestablish the happy PCF I fell in love with, and to prevent PCF from becoming this monster again, is to have the website as a whole BAN CLASSIFIED ADS. Craigslist and eBay can sell anyones and everyones chips. We don't need it here.
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tabletalker7 said:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/excited-to-join-advice-much-appreciated.59589/#post-1160595

In this post I advised a new person to

The very next post told them to consider taking their budget and doubling it
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@tabletalker7 , I appreciate and understand the perspective. I've been chipping for 15ish years, and have purchased pretty much every time of chip along the way as my life & financial situations has evolved - from those plastic interlocking ones you get at Walgreens all the way up (well maybe not all the way up lol), so I've been in your shoes. I read back through the posts above, as well as the thread you linked where you had a problem with chippers always saying "double your budget noob" In particular, I found this point interesting (bold added for emphasis), and I'd like to maybe expand on it a bit to help offer a different perspective, more from a hobbyist standpoint:

tabletalker7 said:
Two rules to pass on to you

1. GET SAMPLES! We are not kidding. The market has sooooooooooo much to offer, and you can waste an ELEPHANT LOAD of cash buying something you shouldn't have. Get samples, and when you think you know what you want, GET MORE SAMPLES!
2. Set a budget AND STICK TO IT. Whenever someone says they like a certain chip and ask what the group thinks of it, people always seem to chime in with "If you open up your budget a little more you can get something a whole lot better". Don't do it. Stay within your budget. Chipping is a great hobby, and poker is a lot of fun, but causing yourself financial difficulties will not only hurt your chipping desires in the long run, but can also affect other aspects of your life as well. Chipping is supposed to be fun, not cause pain.

Stick to these two rules and you will have A LOT of fun here at PCF. I found this place to be a very welcoming community and I am sure you will too.
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In a general vacuum, this IMNSHO is very good financial advice, and advice that a lot of folks these days probably should heed a bit more these days. But there's a key word in there: set a budget. There are lots of variations on ways to do this, but you can probably put them all in two big groups. The first is pretty simple - you define a finite dollar amount that you want to or can spend, irrespective of anything else. "I want to start hosting a poker game, I got $300 in cash for my birthday - I want to spend it on chips - what's the best bang for my buck for $300 and not a penny more?" It's finite consumer approach that's often driven either by need (I need a set of chips now to start my game) or circumstance (yay I got a $300 bonus from work) - and if you had zero interest in ever buying another chip, there's nothing really wrong with that approach. The second approach is to take that $300 and do some more research on the purchase, because maybe you want to make it a hobby, or get even more enjoyment out of the purchase. You research the various levels of the hobby, what's readily available from a vendor, what you'd need to assemble from other outlets (personal sale/eBay), what chips hold value (both from a $$$ and collectible standpoint) and all the associated prices with each aspect. Similar to purchasing a car - maybe one set you buy will plummet in value the second you put it on the felt - where another you may be able to fully recoup your initial investment. In doing all that research, you may learn that $300 will buy you a nice new set of middle of the road chips, and after doing the research you determine that's just fine with you. Awesome. However you may also find out that for $500, you can get a set that not only fits your wants/needs now, but may offer you more flexibility in the hobby down the road - or even fully recoup your costs if you decide the hobby just wasn't for you in the first place.

There are a lot wheelers & dealers in this hobby - it's been that way for a looooong time (yes even back in the CT "glory" days) and will always be that way - it's not really this particular hobby, that's just how some people are. The reason some folks here push Paulson and other high end chips is they've invested in their collections and it's in their best interest to see their collections increase in value. But that's not the only reason, and certainly not the reason many offer the advise to always get samples and do some research on higher end chips, even if they don't seem attainable at the moment. If you're truly into the hobby, there are a lot of benefits in taking the time to save up for a nicer set of chips. There are countless folks on here that can attest (@Irish raises his hand) that they rushed their first few chip purchases or didn't take the time to properly research some slightly better options ("I'll never be able to afford Paulsons!"), spent a decent chunk on china clays, then ended up selling them on craigslist for next to nothing a year later when they realized they really liked the hobby. Money out the window in the long run. Neither approach is right or wrong, they're just different, and a lot of the folks who are taking their time to post and offer advice on the latter in those inquiry thread are doing so out of a spirit to help and educate, not to profit.

Don't let the volume of classifieds get you down, they have those tags on the front of them when you're in the "New Posts" screen so they're easy to ignore if you'd like. IMNSHO the only thing that's really changed around here in 15ish years (aside from losing that horrible blue color ;) ) is the explosion of new interest and members in the last few years. There have always been asshats as well as folks with deep pockets swinging their dicks around at the latest new premium set, but there are still plenty of good folks here as well, you may just have to sift through a little more white noise to find them. X100 on @Lil Tuna 's advice, get to a meetup if you can, you'll likely make a few long time chipping friends! :tup:
 
For me, I’ve decided that once Paulson chips were out of my budget, I went CPC. Sure, the colors aren’t as vibrant, but I get what I want, and keep a small US based business going for that much longer. I’d rather send my $ there. Sure, Jim sells great chips, but he’ll have no problems moving chips.

seriously though, I have 2 2000 chip tournament sets, 2 CPC/ASM cash sets, a CC limit set, all with my own “brand”. What’s not to love about that
 
WedgeRock said:
You are dead to me.
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Of all the things I've said this seems to be the most controversial for some reason. I just don't like them. They're not terrible. But I'm not a chip snob so it's not like I don't have some BJ sample sets. I do think some look cool just don't like the feel of them.
 
Marhault said:
Of all the things I've said this seems to be the most controversial for some reason. I just don't like them. They're not terrible. But I'm not a chip snob so it's not like I don't have some BJ sample sets. I do think some look cool just don't like the feel of them.
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Obviously, my over reaction to saying you didn't like plastic was tongue-in-cheek, to emphasize the point. I do love clay chips, I own three sets of clay chips. But to me, the precision of a high end plastic is desirable.

I get that it's not for everyone. There are people out there who still believe a hot dog in not a sandwich, so the world is made up of all kinds of people.
 

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