split spots on Diamond Square mold from CPC?

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In my short time on this forum, this has by far been my favorite thread to just read. The amount of science and technique that goes into these little colored discs would surprise the average person. Next time a non chipper friend balks at what you payed for your chips, send them to this thread!
 

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Love all the updates in this thread. Very cool info.

Just throwing this idea out there, assuming that some of the problem is due to the different colors melting at different temperatures. I'm imagining a situation where the edge spot melts first and the base color hasn't fully melted when it is pushed out through the melted edge spot, causing the split. Do you track the melting temperatures at all when trying to decide how many extras to make? Maybe you could even publicly assign a temperature range to each color without disclosing any details: just say that the temp is "low, medium, or high" or "1, 2, 3, or 4" for example. And then flag it if you have two colors that are more than 2 steps apart on the list and more likely to cause split spots. And customers could try to avoid bad temperature combos when designing chips if they had that info available.

Just thinking out loud. I'm not sure if that's even a primary source of the problem, since the manufacturing process is complex.
 

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I would guess that the thickness of the initial slugs could contribute to this issue. If there is too much material in the slug, which needs to be pushed out of the mold when it is pressed, this could result in the edge spot material being pushed out, resulting in a split spot. Maybe look into QC on initial slug thickness?
 
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Fascinating. Looks like ~13 of 40 barrels. Trimoon, Lcrown

When I have a split, it’s almost always just one spot.

On DG Peacock only spot color was DG Tiger
On the DG Yellow, all but 3 were Black (Retro Green & Retro Lavender were the other colors).
On the Maroon, it was majority Bright White (DG Pink and DG Green the other colors).
On the white, it was just Butterscotch (Light Blue, Retro Blue the other).

I remember unboxing them and, upon seeing a “split” spot, thinking- oh, interesting... that’s how they make the spots. Never once bothered me. When I set them up like this- eh. So I’ll shuffle them up now.

Yes, I rather prefer the solid spot. But my next order will still be Trimoon.

EDIT: I got curious again... the Black, White, and Butterscotch spots are all the bottom spot. Maybe it’s the mechanics of the press?

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After seeing these totally just scrapped my tri order! Can't drop 3-5k and have this be outcome. I for one can't stand split/squeezd at all. I'm a purest so they all better be at a +/-1% screwed up.

I'll wait for a while before I pull trigger. Love the tri moon though ahhhhhh.y
 
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I don’t have another pic of Club House trimoon add-on but I know none of them had split spots. They came out perfect

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And to David’s comment about aligning all the bad spots to make it look worse, here is a pic of 100 of my $1 chips after I did the splashed pot pic and randomly put them back in the rack. The splits still stand out IMO.

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As a poker dealer/floor guy (counting chips from 10ft away if your talking $25 or $100 the potential for guy (al) to have $1000 or $500 is a big no no in a managers eyes.
 

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After seeing these totally just scrapped my tri order! Can't drop 3-5k and have this be outcome. I for one can't stand split/squeezd at all. I'm a purest so they all better be at a +/-1% screwed up.

I'll wait for a while before I pull trigger. Love the tri moon though ahhhhhh.y
Did you see my updates post? Splits were pulled out.
 

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Not to derail the thread, but...

That 25K is the bomb! Is that newer than your others? I hadn't seen it before.

Ya, I just added those for fun when I got my Bounty chips in case I want to do a deep stacks tourney.
 

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Just got my FDL set and if I could go back and do it again I would remove the Tri-moon from my order. I didn’t see this thread till well after my order was placed and I just crossed my fingers and hoped for the best. I only had 220 chips on the tri moon but at least 30 have true splits and probably 40-50% have severe squeezed spots at are really close to being true splits. If that chip was my work horse chip in my game there is no way I would find that acceptable. I did email David and he basically said it’s just a product of that specific spot pattern. I personally feel like if that is the case it should definitely be noted on the site somewhere. On the other 1200 non tri moon chips there were no issues. Overall I am pretty happy with the set but the splits bug me more than I’d like.
 

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FWIW as someone who has placed an order in the last month, David did plenty of disclosing about split spots to me. I assume he had changed his disclosure process since this thread. My set is almost entirely DG bases. There was plenty of discussion about specific chips and reasons why it may occur. Fortunately I had seen this thread before and I was already aware. In the end, I am not changing anything and I will expect some splits. For me it was either do the set I want and accept some level of imperfection or don’t do it at all. A non-DG based set is not in the cards for me.
 

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Just got my FDL set and if I could go back and do it again I would remove the Tri-moon from my order. I didn’t see this thread till well after my order was placed and I just crossed my fingers and hoped for the best. I only had 220 chips on the tri moon but at least 30 have true splits and probably 40-50% have severe squeezed spots at are really close to being true splits. If that chip was my work horse chip in my game there is no way I would find that acceptable. I did email David and he basically said it’s just a product of that specific spot pattern. I personally feel like if that is the case it should definitely be noted on the site somewhere. On the other 1200 non tri moon chips there were no issues. Overall I am pretty happy with the set but the splits bug me more than I’d like.
On the edge spots page of the website there is a linked image regarding this.
 

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FWIW as someone who has placed an order in the last month, David did plenty of disclosing about split spots to me. I assume he had changed his disclosure process since this thread. My set is almost entirely DG bases. There was plenty of discussion about specific chips and reasons why it may occur. Fortunately I had seen this thread before and I was already aware. In the end, I am not changing anything and I will expect some splits. For me it was either do the set I want and accept some level of imperfection or don’t do it at all. A non-DG based set is not in the cards for me.
I've been sending that same info out for a long time now. It would appear many don't read it or ignore it though, but it's definitely being sent as several people have opted to pay the optional premium. It's also linked to the spots page on the website. I have been waiting for an update to the design tool which will automatically flag chips that might be an issue but sadly the developer has been sick with Covid for nearly 3 months so it hasn't been completed yet.
 

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On the edge spots page of the website there is a linked image regarding this.
Has this been up for sometime? I know my order was from last fall. If that has been up for quite some time then that is on me. Again the vast majority of my chips exceeded or met my expectations. Guess I should have found that and done my own due diligence a little more thoroughly.
 

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So what % are the normal levels of split spots the 20% premium buys the customer?
It's impossible to be precise because they vary through mold/colors/spot patterns. Problematic ones have historically always had 10-20%, it's been like that for many many years, it's nothing new. It only appears to happen more frequently because people here have requested we use more and more complex spot patterns. We already make and reject a significant amount of extras as it is, without us doing that the splits would be 50-80%.
If people are still not satisfied we will simply have to discontinue half the spot patterns, some molds, and some colors. It's as simple as that.
 

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Has this been up for sometime? I know my order was from last fall. If that has been up for quite some time then that is on me. Again the vast majority of my chips exceeded or met my expectations. Guess I should have found that and done my own due diligence a little more thoroughly.
Yes it has been up for some time, it caused several customers to discuss their spots going back a good few months now. I guess most people only reference the spot patterns through the design tool though which is why I wanted to add it on there. When that is achieved I will post again here.
As I stated though, 10-20% is the norm for any small spots and only the level you could hope to get by paying the premium.
For orders like yours that were placed before this thread appeared, we have been deliberately making sufficient extras (at a huge cost to ourselves) to bring the split level down to that 10-20%, so no-one has lost out by not seeing this thread anyway.
Additionally, I have for some time been alerting customers who have placed orders after this thread started of their options with any problematic chips.
Before we threw out the rejects, your $1's had about 50% splits. Had we not taken action, that's what you would have ended up with.
 

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Has this been up for sometime? I know my order was from last fall. If that has been up for quite some time then that is on me. Again the vast majority of my chips exceeded or met my expectations. Guess I should have found that and done my own due diligence a little more thoroughly.
PS - it may have not been obvious enough but I was trying to demonstrate on that graphic that the top 3 chips show 10-20% with splits and the bottom about 50%.
 
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