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Scammed by USPS? (4 Viewers)

doublebooyah85 said:
Report open. I should hear back from the postal inspector in 2 to 3 business days. In addition my local post office gave me the local inspectors direct line so if I don’t hear back in 2-3 days I’ll follow up.
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Do they do everything in 2-3 business days? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
ekricket said:
38 lbs and 12.5 ounces is about 17590 grams. For a 1000 chip set that’s about 17 gms per chip
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it was 1750 chips by my count (the post with the quantities is buried somewhere way above). the total weight works out within a ballpark tolerance.
 
doublebooyah85 said:
Yeah this is gonna be a lot of legwork. Either with my credit card company, post office, law enforcement and @SpaceMonkey who is hit or miss via texting and PCF. Hence why I said let’s just split this and move on.

But I owe it to myself and the chipping community and perhaps to @SpaceMonkey420 to go thru the proper channels.

Just got home late last night, seeing my 10 month old for the first time in a week, and headed to the post office today before they close.

I’ll anxiously wait for the Sabath day to end so @SpaceMonkey420 can give us anymore updates.


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Brother charge your phone the day just started hahaha
 
Were the contents noted as
flammable before delivery?

If yes, seller put paper in the box.

If no, seller put poker chips in the box.

Excuse Me What GIF
 
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Just throwing this out there.

If I was said scammer, wouldnt it just have made sense to accept the terms of refunding half? At this point, I made $2500 for a few reams of paper?

@doublebooyah85 sorry this is happening to you bro. This absolutely sucks.
 
Jacks said:
LOL the seller is accusing you of replacing paper with the exact same weight?

But that (post opening) weight wouldn’t be measured anywhere.

That doesn’t even make sense. It’s like a toddler going “no YOU ate the cookie” to his parent.
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Actually I think the seller is mostly accusing me of scamming him. All he said was he was going to call the police and asked if I scammed him.

I assumed @SpaceMonkey420 is scamming me or a postal worker switched out the boxes.
 
I have no clue how this happened, but for people to think that it couldn't have happened along the USPS route, is just obtuse.

Both packages were untracked (effectively whereabouts unknown) for 10 days. To assume tampering couldn't have happened to two boxes traveling the same route is nonsense. For all we know an entire carton of boxes or an entire truck of boxes could have gone off the grid, breached, then returned to the shipping system in this time. We have no idea how may people are filing similar complaints at this time.

This is a world of organized retail theft, super-clone high-end watches, and theft of every kind. This could have easily been organized USPS theft. Adding similar weight to the boxes adds cover and obfuscation, plus it slows down the claims process and permits the sender and receiver to point fingers at each other.

Not saying that this happened in this case, but for sure, it is completely possible. And there are many cases to peruse via Google searching.
 
Updating my personal notes for PCF rules.

So, absolute cardinal sin to ever publicly post
PMs, but texts are 100% different. Check.

Side note, I’ve seen suggestion to use local cops to after someone out $80 before, this one is $5k. What’s the generally accepted minimum a member must be out financially to involve authorities?
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Updating my personal notes for PCF rules.

So, absolute cardinal sin to ever publicly post
PMs, but texts are 100% different. Check.

Side note, I’ve seen suggestion to use local cops to after someone out $80 before, this one is $5k. What’s the generally accepted minimum a member must be out financially to involve authorities?
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The postal inspectors are essentially the police from my understanding so far. That’s where they recommend I get started.

Please try not to Barrie this thread in regards to other topics and keep it on track. I shared texts after @SpaceMonkey420 did and I’m trying to keep everything here on PCF. He didn’t answer my calls and he’s now gone silent to honor the Sabath day and 8th commandment.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Updating my personal notes for PCF rules.

So, absolute cardinal sin to ever publicly post
PMs, but texts are 100% different. Check.

Side note, I’ve seen suggestion to use local cops to after someone out $80 before, this one is $5k. What’s the generally accepted minimum a member must be out financially to involve authorities?
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Would need to be a decent amount for me to expect police to care enough to help me.
 
Sorry if this has already been asked, but was there anything unique about the original packaging (e.g. the tape used) that can be compared with the packages that arrived?

I'd imagine that if someone at USPS tampered, assuming the boxes were new, the tamperer would either have to:
  • Remove original tape on the seams --> Replace with new tape.
    • That often removes part of the surface of the packaging, which we might be able to see.
  • Slice open the original tape --> Add new layer of tape.
    • The original layer of tape underneath would still be there (and sliced).
Of course, if the Seller is the scammer (and was smart), he could've done these things in the original packaging (to make it look like tampering) -- but that seems unlikely (most scammers are dumb, thankfully).

All speculation of course, but just my 2 cents.
 
suchj0sh said:
Would need to be a decent amount for me to expect police to care enough to help me.
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You don’t think local deputy Fife is going to run fingerprints on 2 reams of paper and work in conjunction with federal/other states to investigate and have detectives sleuth out or get a warrant for mikes fingerprints!?
 
ChipChalk88 said:
Sorry if this has already been asked, but was there anything unique about the original packaging (e.g. the tape used) that can be compared with the packages that arrived?

I'd imagine that if someone at USPS tampered, assuming the boxes were new, the tamperer would either have to:
  • Remove original tape on the seams --> Replace with new tape.
    • That often removes part of the surface of the packaging, which we might be able to see.
  • Slice open the original tape --> Add new layer of tape.
    • The original layer of tape underneath would still be there (and sliced).
Of course, if the Seller is the scammer (and was smart), he could've done these things in the original packaging (to make it look like tampering) -- but that seems unlikely (most scammers are dumb, thankfully).

All speculation of course, but just my 2 cents.
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I’m waiting to do a full inspection of the boxes w the postal inspector.

I know exactly what you’re insinuating and also agree if he was willing to replace the contents with paper that he could also make it look like the box was opened and put back together, so I’m not sure it does anything for us.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
You don’t think local deputy Fife is going to run fingerprints on 2 reams of paper and work in conjunction with federal/other states to investigate and have detectives sleuth out or get a warrant for mikes fingerprints!?
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Right? Getting fingerprints is wishful thinking.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
The other point - if this was two known, liked PCFers, posting this thread this early in the back and forth would’ve been looked poorly upon.
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I disagree. When you suspect a potential scam the correct thing to do is notify the community to help prevent there being other victims. This is a lesson that can be learned from Poppin, IIRC once there was a thread, lots of folks came out of the wood work saying they’d been having odd dealings with him.

I think the only critique along this line that can be made of Booyah is he could have included “potentially” or “likely” a couple times in the title and OP so that pedants and defendants of the meek would have less ammo
 
doublebooyah85 said:
Right? Getting fingerprints is wishful thinking.
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It makes sense that everything thinks of it, I bet it crosses most minds.

And many reasons people already have prints on file (I do for coaching, kids volunteering, etc.), but those aren’t available even to the police or federal. It’s pretty much he’s in the system or the prints would be mostly useless.
 
doublebooyah85 said:
I’m waiting to do a full inspection of the boxes w the postal inspector.

I know exactly what you’re insinuating and also agree if he was willing to replace the contents with paper that he could also make it look like the box was opened and put back together, so I’m not sure it does anything for us.
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In fact, if I was going to scam someone I would go through the process of packaging the chips in there, then unpackaging if I was a postal worker etc.

@BirdCage as mentioned a few times in this thread and also when I spoke to the post office, even when these boxes were delayed, it is most likely they were not together, but in multiple bins over thousands of boxes. Needle in a haystack the supervisor said. The theft either occurred directly at drop off or at delivery, when we know the two boxes were together and I still think the theft started from the seller, but I’ve made that assumption already.
 
FestiveKnight said:
I disagree. When you suspect a potential scam the correct thing to do is notify the community to help prevent there being other victims. This is a lesson that can be learned from Poppin, IIRC once there was a thread, lots of folks came out of the wood work saying they’d been having odd dealings with him.

I think the only critique along this line that can be made of Booyah is he could have included “potentially” or “likely” a couple times in the title and OP so that pedants and defendants of the meek would have less ammo
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What part of this entire thread has been “potential warning to folks on an interesting, unsettled, issue laden exchange”.
 
If I were to do this, and had said chips to begin with, I’d pack the box with all chips and packing material, and weigh it. Now I’d remove everything and get the weight as close as possible. In this case, paper worked, but I’d add crap if needed to match the weights.

Weighing the exact chips and such would then result in the same ballpark weights.

Just a hypothetical, and how I’d do it.

(I’ve never done this before, and never would )
 
BarrieJ3 said:
What part of this entire thread has been “potential warning to folks on an interesting, unsettled, issue laden exchange”.
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Missing a few words but giving Craig the leeway that something like this is frazzling, basically half the thread? Or are you expecting that he put his dismay through ChatGpt before posting?
 
I'm not taking sides, but why even send a package of paper when it's guaranteed to be seen as a scam when delivered? Couldn't you just as easily make a label with the correct weight, take all the shit out, drop it off, then claim somebody opened the boxes en route and stole all the shit? I mean, if it wasn't delayed and got delivered on time in a few days, you get paper, you know it's a scam. I'm probably not thinking it all the way through, few sips of coffee is not enough.
 

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