Scammed by USPS? (4 Viewers)

I’m still waiting for @LeLe to explain my unconventional history lol?
Buying tons of chips so more likely to happen to you, as well as larger spend history (unconventional) so more likely to chalk up as a loss or split.

Unless LeLe thinks you're nuts.
 
Even then, they’re not together… as soon as they’re removed from the counter they’re put in a bin and now “in the mix” with dozens (hundreds?) of other packages.

Same goes with the self-serve drop off… the packages fall into a bin on the other side of the wall.

The odds of both packages being manipulated identically while in the mailing system are incredibly remote.
The odds that they even arrive at the destination post office on the same day are not high imo. USPS is a joke. Really only the origin office could be in question.
 
Are you suggesting USPS shenanigans are possible? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Quite the opposite.
If you ship two boxes, they don’t stay together. They get loaded in a truck, no thought at all whether they belong together, along with all the other packages received that day. Maybe they are stacked together, maybe not, all the packages just get loaded anyway they can get them into the transport rack.

They get unloaded at the next sorting destination with no thought that they stay together, all the packages going to that zip code move with them in no particular order.
When they reach any sorting destination they are agglomerated with any other packages going that direction to the next major destination point - just put into the trucks (in a rack, with hundreds of others) with no thought to keeping them side by side.
This continues until they get closer to their final destination, when they are delivered at the last PO along with hundreds of packages going to the same zip code and city. The only time they are together again is when the postman takes them for delivery to your house or when they are placed in a shelf to hold until you get the slip out of your PO Box and redeem them. They may be on the same truck, but there is nothing in the system that says “these two packages belong together”
Every package is handled as a separate package. Robotic sorting machines do most of the work after it’s unloaded from a truck, reading zip codes and addresses and routing them to other packages with the same zip code and city destination. But robots don’t care if these two packages are “together” they just know all these packages move to the same next sorting facility.

For both packages to be pulled and tampered with would be next to impossible unless it was the last point of delivery, when they may be reunited, but not side by side - they are just in the mix with the other packages, and the final PO workers then deliver them to your house or put the slip in your PO Box telling you they are ready for pickup.
They just don’t stay together through the system like that. Even though they are part of “the same set” the post office treats each one individually, hence separate tracking numbers (the last two are different in each package).

Post office theft would be:
the box missing entirely
or the box ripped open and some of the loose contents missing
Or the box destroyed beyond the point of containing the contents and an empty torn box delivered.

I have had all three of these things happen over the years.
But never the contents replaced with the exact original shipping weight of the original items.
Why would anyone go to that trouble, especially when an investigation of the above mentioned three scenarios would result in a “sorry, here’s your $100 insurance” and a closed investigation.
Replacing the contents is a sure way to get an investigation going and continuing past the point of “it’s just normal business, stuff gets destroyed sometimes”.

Empty boxes would have done the exact same thing with less suspicion on the postal employee. They would just blame the machinery.
 
Quite the opposite.
If you ship two boxes, they don’t stay together. They get loaded in a truck, no thought at all whether they belong together, along with all the other packages received that day. Maybe they are stacked together, maybe not, all the packages just get loaded anyway they can get them into the transport rack.

They get unloaded at the next sorting destination with no thought that they stay together, all the packages going to that zip code move with them in no particular order.
When they reach any sorting destination they are agglomerated with any other packages going that direction to the next major destination point - just put into the trucks (in a rack, with hundreds of others) with no thought to keeping them side by side.
This continues until they get closer to their final destination, when they are delivered at the last PO along with hundreds of packages going to the same zip code and city. The only time they are together again is when the postman takes them for delivery to your house or when they are placed in a shelf to hold until you get the slip out of your PO Box and redeem them.

Every package is handled as a separate package. Robotic sorting machines do most of the work after it’s unloaded from a truck, reading zip codes and addresses and routing them to other packages with the same zip code and city destination. But robots don’t care if these two packages are “together” they just know all these packages move to the same next sorting facility.

For both packages to be pulled and tampered with would be next to impossible unless it was the last point of delivery, when they may be reunited, but not side by side - they are just in the mix with the other packages, and the final PO workers then deliver them to your house or put the slip in your PO Box telling you they are ready for pickup.
They just don’t stay together through the system like that. Even though they are part of “the same set” the post office treats each one individually, hence separate tracking numbers (the last two are different in each package).

Post office theft would be:
the box missing entirely
or the box ripped open and some of the loose contents missing
Or the box destroyed beyond the point of containing the contents and an empty torn box delivered.

I have had all three of these things happen over the years.
But never the contents replaced with the exact original shipping weight of the original items.
Why would anyone go to that trouble, especially when an investigation of the above mentioned three scenarios would result in a “sorry, here’s your $100 insurance” and a closed investigation.
Replacing the contents is a sure way to get an investigation going and continuing past the point of “it’s just normal business, stuff gets destroyed sometimes”.

Empty boxes would have done the exact same thing with less suspicion on the postal employee. They would just blame the machinery.
Got you. I'm a little slow before my coffee.
 
If it were me, I'd be thinking about getting the paper checked for prints and sending it the local po po. We're talking about few grand here.
Tampering with mail isn’t a local PD issue. It’s federal. I have an acquaintance whose son got wrapped up with stealing checks while he was working for the post office and he went through the federal system.

Start with the postmaster. They will guide you.
 
Tampering with mail isn’t a local PD issue. It’s federal. I have an acquaintance whose son got wrapped up with stealing checks while he was working for the post office and he went through the federal system.

Packages are now weighed, photographed, and X-rayed at multiple points along their route. If the Feds choose to take up this case and can demonstrate the weight and contents were unchanged while in the USPS’s possession, this could get dicey very quickly for Seller from a legal/criminal standpoint.

Of course, getting the Feds to show interest in a $5k mail fraud case is probably the bigger issue.
 
If it were me, I'd be thinking about getting the paper checked for prints and sending it the local po po. We're talking about few grand here.
These guys are fixing to get involved @SpaceMonkey420. They don’t mess around and they know how their system can be manipulated and what/where to look for the evidence. Every step of the shipping in the system is under surveillance, including the weight at each point in the process and in addition they video every human interaction with packages along the way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Inspection_Service
 
Yeah this is gonna be a lot of legwork. Either with my credit card company, post office, law enforcement and @SpaceMonkey who is hit or miss via texting and PCF. Hence why I said let’s just split this and move on.

But I owe it to myself and the chipping community and perhaps to @SpaceMonkey420 to go thru the proper channels.

Just got home late last night, seeing my 10 month old for the first time in a week, and headed to the post office today before they close.

I’ll anxiously wait for the Sabath day to end so @SpaceMonkey420 can give us anymore updates.


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Yeah this is gonna be a lot of legwork. Either with my credit card company, post office, law enforcement and @SpaceMonkey who is hit or miss via texting and PCF. Hence why I said let’s just split this and move on.

But I owe it to myself and the chipping community and perhaps to @SpaceMonkey420 to go thru the proper channels.

Just got home late last night, seeing my 10 month old for the first time in a week, and headed to the post office today before they close.

I’ll anxiously wait for the Sabath day to end so @SpaceMonkey420 can give us anymore updates.


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Depending on how much of a message you want to send, and how motivated you are, I’d start with calls to your local PD, federal postal inspector, and State CBI.

I’ve dealt with State CBIs on a couple of eBay fraud issues, and was always impressed with how quickly: A) I got to talk to an agent, and B) how helpful they were. Maybe start there, and they can point you in the right direction.
 
And when this happened, Craig had video footage of the Postal worker picking up the boxes of chips that he immediately sent me. He also offered to replace the chips immediately. We split the loss instead.

Which is probably why @doublebooyah85 offered 1/2 refund initially, he wanted to believe it was someone at the PO that stole the chips and not a member of the site scamming him. Just my guess obviously.
Wait. You got the chips?

Season 4 GIF by The Simpsons
 
Yeah this is gonna be a lot of legwork. Either with my credit card company, post office, law enforcement and @SpaceMonkey who is hit or miss via texting and PCF. Hence why I said let’s just split this and move on.

But I owe it to myself and the chipping community and perhaps to @SpaceMonkey420 to go thru the proper channels.

Just got home late last night, seeing my 10 month old for the first time in a week, and headed to the post office today before they close.

I’ll anxiously wait for the Sabath day to end so @SpaceMonkey420 can give us anymore updates.


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This guy is a total narcissist he’s never going to admit to anything
 
Yeah this is gonna be a lot of legwork. Either with my credit card company, post office, law enforcement and @SpaceMonkey who is hit or miss via texting and PCF. Hence why I said let’s just split this and move on.

But I owe it to myself and the chipping community and perhaps to @SpaceMonkey420 to go thru the proper channels.

Just got home late last night, seeing my 10 month old for the first time in a week, and headed to the post office today before they close.

I’ll anxiously wait for the Sabath day to end so @SpaceMonkey420 can give us anymore updates.


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Haha getting slammed on an online forum is fixing to be the least of his worry’s.
 
Quite the opposite.
If you ship two boxes, they don’t stay together. They get loaded in a truck, no thought at all whether they belong together, along with all the other packages received that day. Maybe they are stacked together, maybe not, all the packages just get loaded anyway they can get them into the transport rack.

They get unloaded at the next sorting destination with no thought that they stay together, all the packages going to that zip code move with them in no particular order.
When they reach any sorting destination they are agglomerated with any other packages going that direction to the next major destination point - just put into the trucks (in a rack, with hundreds of others) with no thought to keeping them side by side.
This continues until they get closer to their final destination, when they are delivered at the last PO along with hundreds of packages going to the same zip code and city. The only time they are together again is when the postman takes them for delivery to your house or when they are placed in a shelf to hold until you get the slip out of your PO Box and redeem them. They may be on the same truck, but there is nothing in the system that says “these two packages belong together”
Every package is handled as a separate package. Robotic sorting machines do most of the work after it’s unloaded from a truck, reading zip codes and addresses and routing them to other packages with the same zip code and city destination. But robots don’t care if these two packages are “together” they just know all these packages move to the same next sorting facility.

For both packages to be pulled and tampered with would be next to impossible unless it was the last point of delivery, when they may be reunited, but not side by side - they are just in the mix with the other packages, and the final PO workers then deliver them to your house or put the slip in your PO Box telling you they are ready for pickup.
They just don’t stay together through the system like that. Even though they are part of “the same set” the post office treats each one individually, hence separate tracking numbers (the last two are different in each package).

Post office theft would be:
the box missing entirely
or the box ripped open and some of the loose contents missing
Or the box destroyed beyond the point of containing the contents and an empty torn box delivered.

I have had all three of these things happen over the years.
But never the contents replaced with the exact original shipping weight of the original items.
Why would anyone go to that trouble, especially when an investigation of the above mentioned three scenarios would result in a “sorry, here’s your $100 insurance” and a closed investigation.
Replacing the contents is a sure way to get an investigation going and continuing past the point of “it’s just normal business, stuff gets destroyed sometimes”.

Empty boxes would have done the exact same thing with less suspicion on the postal employee. They would just blame the machinery.
This ^^

Had a package mis-delivered on my street once. Local post office knew exactly where it got dropped off. For all the shit it takes, USPS is a lot more sophisticated than people realize.
 
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This ^^

Had a package mis-delivered on my street once. Local post office knew exactly where I got dropped off. For all the shit it takes, USPS is a lot more sophisticated than people realize.
Very true. UPS puts an RFID stickers on just every package now. Their sorting hubs and trucks have RFID readers. Loss prevention is a high priority.
 
These guys are fixing to get involved @SpaceMonkey420. They don’t mess around and they know how their system can be manipulated and what/where to look for the evidence. Every step of the shipping in the system is under surveillance, including the weight at each point in the process and in addition they video every human interaction with packages along the way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Inspection_Service
I’m trying to imagine a postal worker ripping open two boxes carefully, cutting out just the right amount of paper and weighing it repeatedly to get the weights just right, unpacking the chips, putting the paper in, putting the chips somewhere, carefully resealing the box, and coworkers walking by going….

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This ^^

Had a package mis-delivered on my street once. Local post office knew exactly where I got dropped off. For all the shit it takes, USPS is a lot more sophisticated than people realize.
I think weighing a duplicate set to see if the original combined shipping weight is even close would tell everyone a lot. I would not expect it to be exact, but it’s going to tell you if the original weight was even in the ballpark to consider it feasible to contain the set.

Envelope math
38 lbs and 12.5 ounces is about 17590 grams. For a 1000 chip set that’s about 17 gms per chip - I know the box and the packaging weigh something, this is just approximating to see if it even makes sense

Each chip weighs somewhere around 10 grams. Approximating again. 10,000 grams of chip weight, or 22lbs.

So the boxes and the packaging - empty- are approximately 7590 grams or 16 lbs?

Even though this is approximate, it’s hard to believe two flat rate boxes and packaging are going to weigh 15-16 lbs empty.

Envelope math says those boxes were way too heavy to contain only chips to start with.

I’d get exact weights but if I was you I’d take this kind of info to the police as well. He’d have to be packaging them in lead.
 
The post office said it’s crazy that both boxes were like this bc they most likely both were a needle in the haystack during the entire shipment other than drop off and delivery. And at those moments the postal worker wouldn’t have the time or effort to do it. (And my postal delivery girl is a rockstar, and I shower her with gifts).

They gave me the # for the inspectors. Stay tuned.
 
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I’m trying to imagine a postal worker ripping open two boxes carefully, cutting out just the right amount of paper and weighing it repeatedly to get the weights just right, unpacking the chips, putting the paper in, putting the chips somewhere, carefully resealing the box, and coworkers walking by going….

Adult Swim Wtf GIF by Augenblick Studios

Ocean's 11 level heist right there.
 
my assumption would be the loss would have to be split between the purchaser and the seller. Its incorrect IMO to assume its automatically on wholy either party.
Let me throw a hypothetical at you:

You live in the U.S. and pay for chips. Two boxes of paper are delivered. What did you do wrong as the buyer that warrants you taking half the blame/loss?
 
The post office said it’s crazy that both boxes were like this bc they most likely both were a needle in the haystack during the entire shipment other than drop off and delivery. And at those moments the postal worker wouldn’t have the time or effort to do it. (And my postal delivery girl is a rockstar, and I shower her with gifts).

They gave me the # for the inspectors. Stay tuned.
Let's investigate this delivery "girl" and why you shower her with gifts. :sneaky:
 
Report open. I should hear back from the postal inspector in 2 to 3 business days. In addition my local post office gave me the local inspectors direct line so if I don’t hear back in 2-3 days I’ll follow up.

His title is;

US postal inspection service
Pittsburgh division threat mgmt coordinator
Cleveland field office

The phone # I called was simply an admin employee submitting the claim. They did verify on their end the packaged weighed the same at time of drop off and delivery.
 

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