Scammed by USPS? (4 Viewers)

[Machine]

Probably best to quote the whole paragraph. The "displeasure" is in reference to a different successfully completed transaction.

Thank you, that does make more sense. My ignorance notwithstanding, it's still condensing.

 

[davislane]

Thank you, that does make more sense. My ignorance notwithstanding, it's still condensing.

Your ignorance brings me great displeasure.....

 

[Hornet]

Has anyone even heard of usps insurance paying out? I hear it’s a major pain.

I was able to get payment once after A LOT of effort.

 

[philhut]

If anyone has a HSI set and could weight this that would be great. @Rhodeman77 @CraigT78

I am away but will weight the chip amount when I get home next week. Surely other members have already done so.

Sorry to hear you were scammed buddy. I have bought chips from @doublebooyah85 and the deal was easy and communication fantastic, very fast and easy.

In the passed I also messaged @SpaceMonkey420 but was also ghosted and never really completed at deals with them.
At the time or writing i am on page 3 of this epic (so far 8 page disaster)

Given the method of messaging from @SpaceMonkey420 is it possible for Tommy the website host here to look up IP addresses to see if perhaps his account is being used by someone else? Also was a return/sender address given on the package? Does it match the shippers address?

 

[Tonystark137]

I was able to get payment once after A LOT of effort.

I have a pending payment from over a year + ago...

 

[Cratty]

I'll restate the clear actions that feel appropriate here:

@SpaceMonkey420 refund fully until resolved between the two of you and the post. Partial splits can be discussed later if appropriate claims/reports are shown and processed.

@doublebooyah85 I would highly encourage you to submit all of the info and photos into their online mail fraud/theft investigation system. This will pull-in postal investigators/law enforcement. The investigators don't mess around.

If the funds are received as reimbursement, up to you if you still want to submit or let spacemonkey take it from there. But I would plan to file today if not resolved.

https://mailtheft.uspis.gov/

 

[LowerBama1714]

im going to play devils advocate here for a minute but if you were stealing a heavy item and the weight was listed on the parcel, wouldn't replacing it with paper be the best thing to replace with?

 

[BirdCage]

USPS fraud is quite possible - example of paper being used to replace exact missing weight from tampered USPS package. This is just one example.

 

[LeGold]

Given the method of messaging from @SpaceMonkey420 is it possible for Tommy the website host here to look up IP addresses to see if perhaps his account is being used by someone else?

The deal was done through phone messages, not PCF.

 

[Cratty]

USPS fraud is quite possible - example of paper being used to replace exact missing weight from tampered USPS package. This is just one example.

The good news is that we don't really need to keep speculating, as postal investigation is an arm of law enforcement that is very thorough and good at their job. If both parties here have nothing to hide, they would both welcome a robust claim to process.

Just hypothesizing, but if I was on the scamming side.. I would want to draw this out as long as possible and get community voices to create noise or create what-ifs to obfuscate the clear path.

That's why I think it's so important now to just push on a clear path... immediate reimbursement and robust claim with the feds. Once both have happened, then I think both parties can decide on any split terms if they have both acted in good faith.

 

[doublebooyah85]

I feel like you're hanging onto a thread that really isn't. How confused by him asking for half the money back, and that's a polite gesture on his part to try and split the cost of the lose. Very kind on his part. I'm gathering you refused that suggestion, which doesn't speak well for you. Then he tells you he's going after it through his CC and you feel abused, like he's trying to scam you, that's just ignorant. That is one of his avenues to be made whole again. You're trying to make an argument that he's scamming you, but I have no doubt that if you had agreed to give him half back, and, if the CC made him whole, or, an investigation proved you didn't scam him, that he would give you back your half when CC paid off. Things are starting to stack up against you.

He actually hasn’t even suggested a postal worker put paper in the boxes. That was my thought process? He thinks I did that and am scamming him. He’s also not answering my phone calls but said he would call me Sunday bc it’s the start of the Sabath day (Saturday?).

@JWC offered to hold the money (refund) until this is resolved. @SpaceMonkey420 do you agree?

 

[Tonystark137]

He actually hasn’t even suggested a postal worker put paper in the boxes. That was my thought process? He thinks I did that?

 

[Tommy]

I've been following this situation since last night, and I'm truly speechless, it's absolutely crazy. While I don’t know either member well enough or have had any transactions with them (that I can recall) to vouch for their character, I have no doubt about the credibility of those who speak highly of @doublebooyah85. I have a strong feeling about this situation, but I know that adding fuel to the fire won’t help. I just hope this gets resolved ASAP.

 

[chippitydoodah]

The good news is that we don't really need to keep speculating, as postal investigation is an arm of law enforcement that is very thorough and good at their job. If both parties here have nothing to hide, they would both welcome a robust claim to process.

Just hypothesizing, but if I was on the scamming side.. I would want to draw this out as long as possible and get community voices to create noise or create what-ifs to obfuscate the clear path.

That's why I think it's so important now to just push on a clear path... immediate reimbursement and robust claim with the feds. Once both have happened, then I think both parties can decide on any split terms if they have both acted in good faith.

Let's hope its better than this

 

[doublebooyah85]

@SpaceMonkey420 also told me he would be calling the cops yesterday but I don’t believe he did. I’ll go to the post office this morning…

 

[Rhodeman77]

Fully caught up now.

A few observations - me and @doublebooyah85 sharing the same first name made seeing my name all over this thread confusing.

Space monkey 420 has been on my blocked list for quite a while.

When I shipped HSI's to @Rhodeman77 USPS straight up stole a box. There is no way in the processing of packages is someone going to stop, grab a box, go somewhere where they aren't on video taking out contents and replacing them with the exact weight in loose leaf paper. The mental gymnastics needed to get there are, well, mental.

Good luck with the credit card charge back, I hope it works out because I'd be willing to bet that $5k all went to drugs and have been fully consumed by now.

And when this happened, Craig had video footage of the Postal worker picking up the boxes of chips that he immediately sent me. He also offered to replace the chips immediately. We split the loss instead.

Which is probably why @doublebooyah85 offered 1/2 refund initially, he wanted to believe it was someone at the PO that stole the chips and not a member of the site scamming him. Just my guess obviously.

 

[Tommy]

One thing that really stands out to me, though, is when do multiple box shipments ever stay together through the USPS system? The fact that both boxes had paper in them makes it seem like they stayed side by side the entire time in the USPS system and honestly, that’s a hard pill to swallow.

edit for clarity
The possibility of USPS shenanigans is less likely.

 

[JMC9389]

One thing that really stands out to me, though, is when do multiple box shipments ever stay together through the USPS system? The fact that both boxes had paper in them makes it seem like they stayed side by side the entire time in the USPS system and honestly, that’s a hard pill to swallow.

Are you suggesting USPS shenanigans are possible? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

 

[suchj0sh]

One thing that really stands out to me, though, is when do multiple box shipments ever stay together through the USPS system? The fact that both boxes had paper in them makes it seem like they stayed side by side the entire time in the USPS system and honestly, that’s a hard pill to swallow.

This is definitely a serious consideration no one has mentioned yet. Very very unlikely to happen in today’s USPS reality. I wonder if the tracking histories are identical.

 

[Tommy]

Are you suggesting USPS shenanigans are possible? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

Not at all. The possibility of USPS shenanigans is less likely.

 

[doublebooyah85]

My local post office clearly knows I get valuables shipped to me. So if there WAS usps theft it would have been at my local office IMHO.

I also do everything in person there and frequently drop them off gifts…

 

[ssanel54]

One thing that really stands out to me, though, is when do multiple box shipments ever stay together through the USPS system? The fact that both boxes had paper in them makes it seem like they stayed side by side the entire time in the USPS system and honestly, that’s a hard pill to swallow.

This is what I was going to call out as well. If it was someone at the post office it would have had to be at some point where the packages were together, and the thief would have to assume they were part of a set.

The tracking timeline makes a little more sense if you consider they were dropped off on a Friday and in transit through a Holiday weekend

 

[doublebooyah85]

 

[chippitydoodah]

Not at all. The possibility of USPS shenanigans is less likely.

Its most likely to happen at the start or end post office when the packages are together.

Edit: Exactly what @ssanel54 said lol

 

[doublebooyah85]

And when this happened, Craig had video footage of the Postal worker picking up the boxes of chips that he immediately sent me. He also offered to replace the chips immediately. We split the loss instead.

Which is probably why @doublebooyah85 offered 1/2 refund initially, he wanted to believe it was someone at the PO that stole the chips and not a member of the site scamming him. Just my guess obviously.

Correct. I was seeing if Mike @SpaceMonkey420 would take some accountability. Obviously he is going to deny it. I didn’t think he would even consider me being the scammer lol so I offered 50% so we could just chalk it up as usps theft.

 

[Tommy]

Its most likely to happen at the start or end post office when the packages are together.

True

 

[justsomedude]

Its most likely to happen at the start or end post office when the packages are together.

Even then, they’re not together… as soon as they’re removed from the counter they’re put in a bin and now “in the mix” with dozens (hundreds?) of other packages.

Same goes with the self-serve drop off… the packages fall into a bin on the other side of the wall.

The odds of both packages being manipulated identically while in the mailing system are incredibly remote.

 

[ChipFinderSK]

Sorry you have to go through this Booyah

I’ve got the over/under on subsequent posts from Spacemonkey on PCF (not just this thread) at 3.5

 

[doublebooyah85]

I’m still waiting for @LeLe to explain my unconventional history lol?

 

[Tommy]

If it were me, I'd be thinking about getting the paper checked for prints and sending it the local po po. We're talking about few grand here.