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Scammed by USPS? (4 Viewers)

ekricket said:
There’s at least two of him.

One is a Christian poor working man raising orphans and can barely make it.

The other seems to be a high roller, buying and selling chips on behalf of celebrities and playing in some of the most exclusive venues.

Seems like there a third one that’s a scammer of sorts?

It’s kinda weird. Like it’s a community ID that’s used by multiple people.
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well said
 
Thanks everyone for the kind words. And top tier joke @chippitydoodah. I really don’t want trial by PCF and this to drag out too long but at the same time I have to bring awareness to the scam. Sucks bc seller has my home address, cell phone, and is acting like either I scammed him or the post office scammed us. Just a shitty situation.
 
suchj0sh said:
I almost said “maybe that Irish guy was right about this place!” Wasn’t sure if we were in joking territory yet tho.
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At this point my blood pressure is through the roof just seeing this shit, and I'm an independant third party. I needed a little relief not at the expense of anyone involved.

But IMO.. This thread can debate at length all it wants weight, packaging, sizing of chips.. but there's only one right action - and that's a full reimbursement from spacemonkey until this is sorted out between the two of them and the post.
 
Cratty said:
At this point my blood pressure is through the roof just seeing this shit, and I'm an independant third party. I needed a little relief not at the expense of anyone involved.

But IMO.. This thread can debate at length all it wants weight, packaging, sizing of chips.. but there's only one right action - and that's a full reimbursement from spacemonkey until this is sorted out between the two of them and the post.
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He could even reimburse a third party such as yourself and hold the money until it’s resolved. @SpaceMonkey420

But he isn’t going to. And I’ll make the CC claim tomorrow. And maybe the CC company will investigate or likely they will just take care of me bc I’m 15+ year loyal customer and who knows how far they dig into it.
 
Cratty said:
At this point my blood pressure is through the roof just seeing this shit, and I'm an independant third party. I needed a little relief not at the expense of anyone involved.

But IMO.. This thread can debate at length all it wants weight, packaging, sizing of chips.. but there's only one right action - and that's a full reimbursement from spacemonkey until this is sorted out between the two of them and the post.
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It’s a great age old question though.

If usps (or whoever) loses something, who’s responsible?

As the seller, I would take responsibility 100%, and hope that buyer would opt to cover half.

As a buyer, I’d be sad and of course offer to cover half.

A bit nerve racking though sending off thousands and thousands of dollars of chips on repeat knowing that if something happens, it’ll sit with me to resolve solo.

And then there’s all the people that say “I drop off chips, and my responsibility ends” which is crazy.
 
as someone pointed out, please put 9 racks of HSI chips in a LFRB and weigh it, if its within an ounce of the 19.2 that’s on the shipping label, I'll put down my pitchfork pending more investigation.
 
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BarrieJ3 said:
As the seller, I would take responsibility 100%, and hope that buyer would opt to cover half.

As a buyer, I’d be sad and of course offer to cover half.
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Exactly why I immediately offered spacemonkey 50/50. As the buyer I’m willing to take some responsibility but it’s truly on the seller imho.
 
suchj0sh said:
I’ve always thought it insane to think that a USPS employee could somehow target a valuable shipment and steal from it. Are they checking EVERY flat rate box to see if it’s worth stealing from?
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Also… How many postal employees even value playable sets of poker chips? Like maybe 1 in 25,000? If that? And if they mistakenly thought they were worth face value, 10 seconds on Google would tell them the casino closed.
 
Taghkanic said:
Also… How many postal employees even value playable sets of poker chips? Like maybe 1 in 25,000? If that? And if they mistakenly thought they were worth face value, 10 seconds on Google would tell them the casino closed.
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And he said he went to a different post office 45 minutes away bc he doesn’t like his local office bc there has been theft…

The USPS should m have no clue what’s inside. Probably think it’s college textbooks.
 
Cratty said:
At this point my blood pressure is through the roof just seeing this shit, and I'm an independant third party. I needed a little relief not at the expense of anyone involved.

But IMO.. This thread can debate at length all it wants weight, packaging, sizing of chips.. but there's only one right action - and that's a full reimbursement from spacemonkey until this is sorted out between the two of them and the post.
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Ya this is the smoking gun. Anyone who “values their integrity more than money” is refunding or picking a good 3rd party mediator right away to escrow/facilitate.
 
All I'm saying is if I was in doublebooyah's shoes.. I'd open up an investigation with USPS and document everything.

Postal investigators don't mess around with mail fraud. It would be a good tool to clear the name of the sender as well. I'm always in the court of if you have nothing to hide, no issue letting the process weed out any issues. If someone is reprinting labels in the postal system, I'd also want that found.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
And then there’s all the people that say “I drop off chips, and my responsibility ends” which is crazy.
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I think there is more nuance to that in this hobby.

As an "international" chipper, when first starting out, I always chose my preferred postal carrier, paid for insurance and accepted any loss as a condition of sale as it was the only way I could get people to sell me stuff or reship internationally on my behalf.

Its still wild to me you all send thousands of dollars worth of chips through usps nonchalantly, raw dogging it with no insurance.

I get why people automatically think its on the seller to make the transaction whole because everyone is accustomed to the way businesses run these days with online shopping, if they didnt do it that way then no one would have the confidence to buy things online if they had to accept the risk but this is a hobby and a transaction between two individuals. Unless the details of what happens in the event of a loss was explicitly discussed prior to the items being sent, my assumption would be the loss would have to be split between the purchaser and the seller. Its incorrect IMO to assume its automatically on wholy either party.

Maybe this event can be the catalyst for people to have these conversations as part of a transaction moving forward.
 
davislane said:
I think there is more nuance to that in this hobby.

As an "international" chipper, when first starting out, I always chose my preferred postal carrier, paid for insurance and accepted any loss as a condition of sale as it was the only way I could get people to sell me stuff or reship internationally on my behalf.

Its still wild to me you all send thousands of dollars worth of chips through usps nonchalantly, raw dogging it with no insurance.

I get why people automatically think its on the seller to make the transaction whole because everyone is accustomed to the way businesses run these days with online shopping, if they didnt do it that way then no one would have the confidence to buy things online if they had to accept the risk but this is a hobby and a transaction between two individuals. Unless the details of what happens in the event of a loss was explicitly discussed prior to the items being sent, my assumption would be the loss would have to be split between the purchaser and the seller. Its incorrect IMO to assume its automatically on wholy either party.

Maybe this event can be the catalyst for people to have these conversations as part of a transaction moving forward.
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But if the seller requests PPF&F UNLESS the buyer pays the difference for PPG&S and says their responsibility ends at the post office how can you fault the seller in an instance like this?

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davislane said:
I think there is more nuance to that in this hobby.

As an "international" chipper, when first starting out, I always chose my preferred postal carrier, paid for insurance and accepted any loss as a condition of sale as it was the only way I could get people to sell me stuff or reship internationally on my behalf.

Its still wild to me you all send thousands of dollars worth of chips through usps nonchalantly, raw dogging it with no insurance.

I get why people automatically think its on the seller to make the transaction whole because everyone is accustomed to the way businesses run these days with online shopping, if they didnt do it that way then no one would have the confidence to buy things online if they had to accept the risk but this is a hobby and a transaction between two individuals. Unless the details of what happens in the event of a loss was explicitly discussed prior to the items being sent, my assumption would be the loss would have to be split between the purchaser and the seller. Its incorrect IMO to assume its automatically on wholy either party.

Maybe this event can be the catalyst for people to have these conversations as part of a transaction moving forward.
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I am inclined to agree. I recently sold a ~$4k set not through the classifieds to a long established member. I asked if they wanted insurance and they declined, There reasoning was they didn't fully expect USPS not to fuck it up, but also not sure that USPS would actually pay out the claim. This brings up an interesting thought: has anyone insured a large value shipment through USPS and had to file a claim? Did they pay out?

The casual usage of USPS stems from chips values used to be $1ea on the "expensive" ones. A $100 rack wasn't a big deal to eat the cost if it disappeared. That has obviously changed.
 
JeepologyOffroad said:
Has anyone even heard of usps insurance paying out? I hear it’s a major pain.
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I’ve been paid. Not a large sum, but a couple hundred bucks. Wasn’t a hassle at all tbh. I later received the chips :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

I honestly don’t think I’ll utilize USPS for any significant chipping purchase in either direction anymore, it’s just gotten so damn bad. But that’s for a different thread.
 
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I think UPS has flat rate options, but I tried to look them up the other day and I was confused. I think you print your own label and the box can be anything under certain demensions or something?
 
doughboy63 said:
I think UPS has flat rate options, but I tried to look them up the other day and I was confused. I think you print your own label and the box can be anything under certain demensions or something?
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He mailed it via flat rate at the post office.
 
doublebooyah85 said:
Serious!

Mikes always been a nice guy. But I don’t buy an excuse that this was opened up and the post office put the paper in if that’s what he’s going to try to say.
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The next obvious comment will be “my account was hacked”.

I honestly think there is a commune that he/they live in and there are several different people that use this account.
 
ekricket said:
The next obvious comment will be “my account was hacked”.

I honestly think there is a commune that he/they live in and there are several different people that use this account.
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The entire transaction was via cell phone.
 

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