buffalojim
Royal Flush
Umm, booyah?
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Scammed by USPS? (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter doublebooyah85
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LeCoq
Two Pair
looks like I was right
It’s been so many pages I don’t remember. What were you right about again - lol
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Tonystark137
Full House
I can verify that Mike - @SpaceMonkey420 made things 100% right of his own free will and volition. This is a sad situation where both the buyer and seller acted in good faith, and external circumstances created a problem.
My best to both Craig and Mike!
John
My best to both Craig and Mike!
John
I came across this thread and found it eye-opening, especially as someone about to spend what might be thousands on chips for the first time. I never realized both the buyer and the seller shared so much risk. I appreciate the candidness throughout the ordeal and feel sorry for any non-perpetrators involved.
I’m going to need the love to be just as loud as the hate. I expect a 36 page thread to cover the 18 pages of “damn, it wasn’t a scam.”
I still blame it on the mail. I am sure that @SpaceMonkey420 would like to see the love from everyone. Both sides have been through a rough week.
Damn, my pitchfork stock prices have just tanked.....
I can say, I thought it was a scam too, but I was wrong. Although I didn’t directly accuse @SpaceMonkey420 of scamming him, I did share that I thought it was possible so I can absolutely say I’m sorry about that.
Glad you got your money back @doublebooyah85. The whole thing never sat right with me and I really hope @SpaceMonkey420 is made whole as well.
It’s unfortunate but it can happen to anyone at anytime for no apparent reason. If anything it speaks to how well it was thought out given the reaction here.
It’s unfortunate but it can happen to anyone at anytime for no apparent reason. If anything it speaks to how well it was thought out given the reaction here.
Huskerchipper
Flush
Not very clear on what happened here, but I am sincerely wishing both parties the best going forward.
Know that stuff like this has been very rare.
Happy to hear you’ve been made whole @doublebooyah85 and also that this was not a member to member scam after all.
You know people often get out of prison after decades with help by the innocence project and others because they find that some piece of evidence used in the case was wrong. Then people falsely claim this proves the person is innocent. But actually, all we can say for certain is we didn’t actually have enough proof to convict.
Unrelated.
Unrelated.
justsomedude
Royal Flush
As one of the loudest pitchfork-ers in here, I'm going to hold out for the outcome of the investigation(s). There's still so much that's not understood.
I'd still like to know how two boxes, that were seemingly not retaped, were modified and resealed in transit in precisely the same way. Who knows, since there were no origin photos, maybe the perpetrators used entirely new boxes in the swap-out scheme. Hopefully the investigations provide some clarity on that matter.
Anyway, it's nice to see that things seem to be (mostly) settled for now. Although if seller was legit scammed by USPS, he's now out both the chips and his $5k.
Perfectly acceptable. It might be unfair to rush to judgment either way so I can absolutely respect that.
Double standard or is that guilty until proven innocent?
well he would just be out the Chips but still that's 5k worth of chips as I said before I have dealt with both parties before def find both of them to be legit so hopefully @SpaceMonkey420 is made whole
buffalojim
Royal Flush
I knew the whole time, but nobody asked me.
justsomedude
Royal Flush
You can certainly view it that way, and I'm happy to take my lumps in that regard. I just don't think a refund provides any certainty of guilt or innocence either way.
There are still many unanswered questions. And yes, I may have rushed to judgement from the outset, but I'm not going to make the same mistake twice. I'd like for the USPS to show us exactly what happened here.
They know which locations those packages went through. Maybe just check each location to see who’s low on printer paper.
While it’s great that the buyer has been made whole, like @justsomedude I don’t see how a refund in and of itself really proves or resolves anything. We still don't know what happened — just what was discussed after, and that a refund finally got made.
Yes, the refund could suggest that possibly the seller was totally innocent and someone else emptied and refilled the package with paper.
It could also mean that the seller became sincerely remorseful for having tried to scam a trusted PCFer after seeing the buyer’s reaction.
It could mean that the seller came to realize — after 18 pages of getting blasted by 95% of posters— that he would never have any transactions again in this community if he didn’t at least make the buyer whole.
Someone above suggested that the refund was issued completely unilaterally. That suggestion is kind of belied by the many pages of pressure applied here before the refund.
To me the situation would seem less ambiguous if a refund had been issued immediately, if the buyer had not tried to impugn the seller at first, and if the package had shown any signs of tampering.
Not to mention if it were not so improbable that a random postal worker actually found both boxes of poker chips and considered those worth stealing. And bothered to fill the box with paper rather than making the packages disappear and simply seem lost.
It will be interesting to see what the USPS investigation finds. Unfortunately the most likely answers are “nothing at all” or “nothing conclusive.” So that may leave some PCFers with some lingering doubts, and reluctance to work with the seller—not because it is proven that this was a scam, but because any uncertainty creates problems for future sales.
All around, a bad situation.
Yes, the refund could suggest that possibly the seller was totally innocent and someone else emptied and refilled the package with paper.
It could also mean that the seller became sincerely remorseful for having tried to scam a trusted PCFer after seeing the buyer’s reaction.
It could mean that the seller came to realize — after 18 pages of getting blasted by 95% of posters— that he would never have any transactions again in this community if he didn’t at least make the buyer whole.
Someone above suggested that the refund was issued completely unilaterally. That suggestion is kind of belied by the many pages of pressure applied here before the refund.
To me the situation would seem less ambiguous if a refund had been issued immediately, if the buyer had not tried to impugn the seller at first, and if the package had shown any signs of tampering.
Not to mention if it were not so improbable that a random postal worker actually found both boxes of poker chips and considered those worth stealing. And bothered to fill the box with paper rather than making the packages disappear and simply seem lost.
It will be interesting to see what the USPS investigation finds. Unfortunately the most likely answers are “nothing at all” or “nothing conclusive.” So that may leave some PCFers with some lingering doubts, and reluctance to work with the seller—not because it is proven that this was a scam, but because any uncertainty creates problems for future sales.
All around, a bad situation.
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Huskerchipper
Flush
If he actually opened an investigation, he’s either innocent or stupid.
That really depends on your confidence in the USPS’s willingness and ability to investigate itself.
My sense is that they have relatively few resources to do so, and also like many corporations consider it not particularly worth their time even with a $5K package. (I don't get the sense that there is any universe where USPS would give the shipper his $5K value in the absence of insurance, and even then would likely propose some smaller amount.)
On the rare occasions when I have had packages go missing (either as shipper or recipient), they could not explain what happened. It was more a question of whether they agreed that anyone should be entitled to compensation, and how much. However, I haven't shipped anything that valuable with USPS before. Mainly in the $50-$500 range.
Now, if the usps does find themselves at fault, what chance does spacemonkey have in getting $5k back? Is the fact that doublebooyah paid $5k proof of their worth?
Oh he’s fucked.
OP
OP
@SpaceMonkey and I worked thru a third party. There was doubt on both sides. After he offered a full refund, I only took half. At the beginning of this, I was willing to accept a 50-50 responsibility of the “loss”.
Idk what the hell happened but I know @SpaceMonkey420 offered a FULL refund.
Sure…if the usps investigation goes anywhere that would be great, but I have little faith.
Idk what the hell happened but I know @SpaceMonkey420 offered a FULL refund.
Sure…if the usps investigation goes anywhere that would be great, but I have little faith.
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