Santa Ysabel Frac Orientation (1 Viewer)

[JP1984]

I have been thinking about this as my own relabel journey begins. I am concerned that if I try to align them and I don't absolutely nail each one, it'll tilt me beyond belief. Given how many I have to do, I think I'm going down the non aligned route. It's just safer. In your case, given the others aren't aligned, I'd definitely go down the "DO NOT ALIGN" route.

@mattross1313 how will you ensure your labels are at 12 o'clock and not 11:58 or 12:03...?

 

[mattross1313]

@mattross1313 how will you ensure your labels are at 12 o'clock and not 11:58 or 12:03...?

I already have anxiety about this

 

[BearMetal]

I'm also planning to align the labels on my solid Flamingo T5 chip.....how you ask? I will align the label with one of the top hats in the 12 o'clock position. Yep - the sickness is real around here

You'll need to measure each hat to find the one that's the most consistent and align it with that.

I have been thinking about this as my own relabel journey begins. I am concerned that if I try to align them and I don't absolutely nail each one, it'll tilt me

I aligned my first relabel set. They weren't perfect, but it definitely didn't tilt me.

JACK NJ 25c Splash

• BearMetal
• Aug 21, 2020

 

[BearMetal]

OK, I think I'm going with either full random or semi-random (as per @ChipFinderSK's suggestion of doing equal numbers at equal positions).

With that said, what about mirroring the 2 sides. If I go full random, should the labels be aligned with each other on both sides? Like, if I flip the chip, should the label be the exact same way on the other side?

 

[Rieguy]

With that said, what about mirroring the 2 sides. If I go full random, should the labels be aligned with each other on both sides? Like, if I flip the chip, should the label be the exact same way on the other side?

Yes.

 

[CrazyEddie]

If you're doing full random then the two faces do not need to be aligned to each other, but it's probably okay if they are aligned - although there's an argument to be made that they should not be aligned because they certainly won't be on the rest of the chips in your set.

If you do align them, make sure they're medal-aligned rather than coin-aligned.

 

[BearMetal]

If you're doing full random then the two faces do not need to be aligned to each other, but it's probably okay if they are aligned - although there's an argument to be made that they should not be aligned because they certainly won't be on the rest of the chips in your set.

If you do align them, make sure they're medal-aligned rather than coin-aligned.

OK, so I think random is the way to go here. I tried doing 1 "bonkers" with both sides being any which way I wanted, and then I tried one "medal aligned". I think I like the metal aligned better than the "pure crazy" approach.

 

[TheOffalo]

Like, if I flip the chip, should the label be the exact same way on the other side?

If you're doing full random then the two faces do not need to be aligned to each other, but it's probably okay if they are aligned - although there's an argument to be made that they should not be aligned because they certainly won't be on the rest of the chips in your set.

If you do align them, make sure they're medal-aligned rather than coin-aligned.

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Gonna bump this interesting thread that I hadn’t come across today until OP linked to it in another thread, so it has more visibility for others who don’t go into the newer thread that mentioned it.

I like the terminology of “medal align” but I’m slightly confused about it. Based on the pictures, medal align means when the chip is inlay/label is upright, when it’s flipped over the other side’s label/inlay is still upright. But neither the question or the example says which way a chip is flipped, vertically or horizontally.

I’d think medal aligned means both sides are upright when flipped horizontally, like a medal dangling on a lanyard, spinning horizontally and appearing upright regardless of which face is showing. But since this is a thread about being anal, I thought I’d seek clarification/confirmation even if I may know or confidently guess what the answer is, because flipping over could be either horizontally or vertically in my mind.

 

[BearMetal]

I’d think medal aligned means both sides are upright when flipped horizontally,

That's correct; with medal aligned, you can spin the chip horizontally in between your two fingers and both sides have the inlay facing the same direction.

 

[TheOffalo]

Thanks, I figured. I just didn’t want to be left out of the anal retentive party.

You’re welcome, out of context thread.

 

[Easylife]

Wish I had never opened this thread. I agonised for days over wether to align mine or go random. Went random and was super happy. Then I read this post, I didn't even think of it at the time but why the hell did i not align both sides!!!

 

[BearMetal]

Thanks, I figured. I just didn’t want to be left out of the anal retentive party.

You’re welcome, out of context thread.

It's such an interesting / anal topic. Initially I was more concerned with the alignment of the inlay with respect to the edge spots. I was trying to figure out if I should align it a certain way, and this thread actually steered me to being randomized. And the whole idea of having the opposing side aligned with the front side became more important.

Now, the thought of actually having my inlay aligned with the edge spots across all of the chips in a Paulson set makes me tilty. But the thought of not having it aligned on a CPC set also makes me tilty.

• Paulson: randomly aligned with edge spots on chip for the 1st side. Medal align (horizontal axis) the opposing side with the front.

• CPC: edge spot aligned constantly across every chip.

 

[BearMetal]

Wish I had never opened this thread. I agonised for days over wether to align mine or go random. Went random and was super happy. Then I read this post, I didn't even think of it at the time but why the hell did i not align both sides!!!

I'm sorry. I take full responsibility for not bumping this thread enough. The horrible part is that no one else is going to care but you. But now that you know about it it's going to haunt your dreams.

 

[TheOffalo]

Is the difference because Paulsons are existing chips with generally random alignments that you’re over labeling, while CPCs, at least new ones, are custom order and don’t have existing randomness to “fall back” on it being okay not aligned?

 

[Colquhoun]

I never understood why aligning one side to the other.

How often can you see both sides of the chip at the same time?

 

[BearMetal]

Is the difference because Paulsons are existing chips with generally random alignments that you’re over labeling, while CPCs, at least new ones, are custom order and don’t have existing randomness to “fall back” on it being okay not aligned?

Logically, yes, that is the only explanation that makes sense. Existing Paulsons are just made with the inlay randomly oriented. Even sets that have high alignment percentages still have a large number of chips that just have that inlay any which way. And because of that, it just feels more natural when applying your own labels to murdered Paulsons so that they preserve a little bit of that casino chip feel.

With CPCs, it's a fully custom chip. And that means that you are designing everything down to the alignment of that inlay. I'm sure that you could ask CPC to randomize the alignment for you if you really wanted to, but I think what actually ends up happening is that people submit their orders and when they get their chips and they're all aligned to the same way they look at them funny and say, "shit, if I had known they were going to do that I would have spent more time figuring out how I wanted them to look since they're going to be consistent"

 

[BearMetal]

I never understood why aligning one side to the other.

How often can you see both sides of the chip at the same time?

You don't sit there at night, in a dark room, casually spinning a chip in between your pointer and thumb? The chips don't talk to you and ask you if they're being good?

I don't know, I think it just happens to do with the fact that it makes it feel more like something that was constructed rather than a piece of clay that had a sticker applied to both sides. For me it's just a mental issue, but I think you can still see some of the sides when you do shuffling and chipped flips and things like that.

... Also the whole dark room thing with the chips talking to you and you casually telling them that they're good little chips sitting there in your underwear.

 

[Colquhoun]

You don't sit there at night, in a dark room, casually spinning a chip in between your pointer and thumb? The chips don't talk to you and ask you if they're being good?

I don't know, I think it just happens to do with the fact that it makes it feel more like something that was constructed rather than a piece of clay that had a sticker applied to both sides. For me it's just a mental issue, but I think you can still see some of the sides when you do shuffling and chipped flips and things like that.

... Also the whole dark room thing with the chips talking to you and you casually telling them that they're good little chips sitting there in your underwear.

Yeah I guess if you’re spinning in your hand you’d notice…
The only chips I’ve ever labeled have been solids, but I could definitely see aligning them if they have edgespots. The medal alignment is when the inlay is upright when spun horizontally.

Coin alignment is when they are opposite. I just got some older Horseshoe chips and was noticing how they are coin aligned with edgespots. One side the spots make the “A” shape, and the other the “Y” in relation to the inlay. I like it.

 

[CrazyEddie]

I like the terminology of “medal align” but I’m slightly confused about it. Based on the pictures, medal align means when the chip is inlay/label is upright, when it’s flipped over the other side’s label/inlay is still upright. But neither the question or the example says which way a chip is flipped, vertically or horizontally.

The pictures show each coin (one medal aligned, one coin aligned - yes, coins can be medal aligned rather than coin aligned) being held up to a mirror. That shows you that medal alignment means that both sides are simultaneously upright, whereas coin alignment means that while one side is upright the opposite side is inverted.

I’d think medal aligned means both sides are upright when flipped horizontally, like a medal dangling on a lanyard, spinning horizontally and appearing upright regardless of which face is showing. But since this is a thread about being anal, I thought I’d seek clarification/confirmation even if I may know or confidently guess what the answer is, because flipping over could be either horizontally or vertically in my mind.

That's correct in both respects. Whether medal-aligned and/or coin-aligned faces remain upright when flipped depends on which way you flip them.

Medal-aligned faces will remain upright when flipped horizontally, spinning them around a vertical axis, as a medal would be while suspended from a ribbon. Coin-aligned faces will remain upright when flipped vertically, spinning them around a horizontal axis.

 

[BearMetal]

Coin alignment is when they are opposite. I just got some older Horseshoe chips and was noticing how they are coin aligned with edgespots. One side the spots make the “A” shape, and the other the “Y” in relation to the inlay. I like it.

I don't think there's a "wrong" answer here; it's just what you like. Coin alignment might be preferred for vintage chips b/c it fits more with their style. The same even goes for aligning the first label with edge spots consistently across the rack. I liked it for my JACK Fracs but I did not like it for the Santa Ysabel:

JACK NJ 25c Splash

• BearMetal
• Aug 21, 2020

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• BearMetal
• Aug 29, 2021

Santa Ysabel cash set with custom 25c.

Something about the JACK fracs wanted me to align them fully, but not the SY fracs... The half circles just needed some randomness..

 

[TheOffalo]

The pictures show each coin (one medal aligned, one coin aligned - yes, coins can be medal aligned rather than coin aligned) being held up to a mirror. That shows you that medal alignment means that both sides are simultaneously upright, whereas coin alignment means that while one side is upright the opposite side is inverted.

I’m a bit sleep deprived so I didn’t realize the examples in your pics were mirrors. I just thought two coins were being held up in each pic.

Mirrors totally make sense and made it unnecessary to explicitly call out the directionality of the flip. Should have never doubted your attention to detail.

 

[CrazyEddie]

• Paulson: randomly aligned with edge spots on chip for the 1st side. Medal align (horizontal axis) the opposing side with the front.
• CPC: edge spot aligned constantly across every chip.

To each their own, of course, but if I were using random alignment of inlays to spots, I would randomize both sides independently such that the two inlays were not aligned. This is in fact the most common arrangement for Paulson chips, in my limited experience.

I agree that with CPC chips, where fixed alignment is the default, I would align the inlays with the spots on both sides, such that the two inlays were medal-aligned with each other. This is the default for CPCs; I think it costs extra to do it otherwise (I'm not positive, though).

 

[CrazyEddie]

I never understood why aligning one side to the other.

How often can you see both sides of the chip at the same time?

I habitually and uncontrollably notice when two sides of a coin, chip, or similar object are or are not aligned.

I can't not see it, any more than I can not see where my feet fall on the cracks in the sidewalk.