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Here’s a question for everyone. How much do you think you need to have saved in order to retire, and does that include pension and social security monies??
2.5 -3 million with my home paid for. I’m a Gen Xer (forgotten generation) and I’ve never counted on social security being there for me. If it does happen to work out where I get some back of what I paid in, it will just be a little icing for myself. ;)

I look at SS as just taxes for my generation and I learned a long time ago that the life I will ultimately live will be one of my OWN making.
 
I live extravagantly in all sorts of small ways. No debt. Only one house. Only two cars. No jet. No boat. I eat what I want, where I want. I over tip locally. Travel when health permits. I put my kids through college and am putting my nieces and nephews though as needed. Its the middle of Texas - things are cheaper here than on the coasts.

We retired on mid-seven figures. Been lucky and have more now than when we retired. You don't need that much money, but it makes things a lot more comfortable.
 
Here’s a question for everyone. How much do you think you need to have saved in order to retire, and does that include pension and social security monies??
Whatever number you come up with, I’d multiply it by 1.5.
Nobody saw double digit inflation coming this time, and they won’t next time either.
 
I’m humbly retired with less than a half million but monthly benefits that allow me to save instead of live in a monthly deficit, so it’s possible to be happy with less than you think. I’m a simple man, never have lived rich but have always had a comfortable life. Enough food, shelter, insurance, married to a woman that is much too good for me, and as mentioned earlier with two wonderful sons to be there for mom when I’m long gone. God has blessed me with abundant faith, and absolutely no malice or judgement for my fellow man. Happy for those of you who lead happy fruitful lives and hope those of you who do not have a turn around for the better. Good will for all!!
 
Here’s a question for everyone. How much do you think you need to have saved in order to retire, and does that include pension and social security monies??
About tree fiddy.

Seriously, I've got a target in mind and it's way more than these FIRE people on Reddit. To each their own, but I couldn't do it.
 
An excellent question @BPTDirector. I think that a lot of that depends on where you chose to retire (cost of living, state income tax vs no state income tax, etc…) , lifestyle expectations, and spending habits.

I know alot of people who have moved to places with no state income tax. However, I know a couple of people that moved back to their original states due to their quality of life. They had beautiful houses, a low cost of living, but most of their family and best friends weren’t there…
 
Low income taxes do not equal low total taxes.

Texas is an attractive place to live for wealthy people due to no income taxes. But the property tax rate is high and so are sale taxes. The overall cost of living in Texas is relatively lower. Quality of life is a matter of opinion.

The calculation isn't as easy as looking at a tax table and picking the lowest income taxes for most of us. < though if I were selling billions of dollars of stocks like Bezos , I too would move to a no income tax state at least for a year or two.>
 
Here’s a question for everyone. How much do you think you need to have saved in order to retire, and does that include pension and social security monies??

Here’s a site which is not unlike PCF in its ethos, except for personal finance:

https://bogleheads.org/

If you wade in at Bogleheads, be prepared to be both welcomed and hazed much like a new PCF member who shows up all excited about his recent purchase of “authentic casino weight” Monacos…

There are lots of longtime posters who take certain assumptions as gospel and have limited patience for those asking the same old questions. But I’ve found it pretty informative on issues like the one above.
 
Location is an excellent point.

I absolutely would not be able to retire in say Los Angeles right now. We lived there for 5yrs and it’s wildly expensive, has crazy taxes, and the housing market is just bonkers.

However, making the move to Alabama, my wife and I found it extremely comfortable for our way of life and finances. Between my investments, career pension, and other assets - we’re set. But again, take all of that to Los Angeles or NY City, I find myself being a bit too close for comfort if I’m being honest. My house in NYC would cost 8-15M. That’s silly.

We live in a pretty nice area, but it’s still a fraction of where we lived in LA.

We purchased vehicles that were cheap, live well within our means, and our quality of life is perfect for us.

Everyone has an opinion on what they will want as a standard for retirement. We found ours, and love it. Sweet home Alabama.
 
Low income taxes do not equal low total taxes.

Texas is an attractive place to live for wealthy people due to no income taxes. But the property tax rate is high and so are sale taxes. The overall cost of living in Texas is relatively lower. Quality of life is a matter of opinion.

The calculation isn't as easy as looking at a tax table and picking the lowest income taxes for most of us. < though if I were selling billions of dollars of stocks like Bezos , I too would move to a no income tax state at least for a year or two.>
Great points @DrStrange. As far as quality of life goes I was referring to the fact that people I know that had moved, had a beautiful house in a great neighborhood, but missed their family and best friends…
 
Great points @DrStrange. As far as quality of life goes I was referring to the fact that people I know that had moved, had a beautiful house in a great neighborhood, but missed their family and best friends…
Funny fact…

My best friend since 1996 brought his family out to visit us. We spoke so highly of the location that he just had to see what it was all about……….

Not more than 2 months later, his house in Sacramento was sold and he had a home built here, and it’s 1000sf bigger for less! I love having him here, we now play poker multiple times a month, and he’s on track to retire WAY sooner than before now!!!

Happy happy happy!!!
 
I've got a target in mind and it's way more than these FIRE people on Reddit. To each their own, but I couldn't do it
Way more…..? That’s quite the goal!

I speak frequently with two folks who preach FIRE…. One is a close friend, and he is north of $10M liquid at the moment, and he’s also in his 30s like myself.

“Financially Independent & Retired Early” can vary greatly for many.

I’d say he fits the description of FIRE extremely well. I’ve personally seen his trading account as we’ve shared a large amount with one another over the last 15 years. He still trades to this day (apparently 10 isn’t enough) - I stopped in 2019 clearing out my portfolio with enough to retire and not stress over finances.

@CraigT78 more folks should try to be financially independent and retire early, not sure how either of those concepts could garner negativity.
 
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Way more…..? That’s quite the goal!

I speak frequently with two folks who preach FIRE…. One is a close friend, and he is north of $10M liquid at the moment, and he’s also in his 30s like myself.

“Financially Independent & Retired Early” can vary greatly for many.

I’d say he fits the description of FIRE extremely well. I’ve personally seen his trading account as we’ve shared a large amount with one another over the last 15 years. He still trades to this day (apparently 10 isn’t enough) - I stopped in 2019 clearing out my portfolio with enough to retire and not stress over finances.

@CraigT78 more folks should try to be financially independent and retire early, not sure how either of those concepts could garner negativity.
Let me clarify as your example would fall into a different FIRE category (chubby fire? Fat fire? )

I am not risk tolerant enough to retire at the minimum number. A lot of folks on the subreddits I follow preach minimal retirement, yet after looking at their numbers, are one disaster away from being broke. I personally don't want that worry.
 
@louBdub you are in your 30's and have a pension as a day trader? I hope it's true because that would be awesome. It seems crazy because pensions are few and far between these days it seems, unless you are around 80 and retired with one years ago.
 
@louBdub you are in your 30's and have a pension as a day trader? I hope it's true because that would be awesome. It seems crazy because pensions are few and far between these days it seems, unless you are around 80 and retired with one years ago.
Retired military/VA disability is my guess
 
@louBdub you are in your 30's and have a pension as a day trader? I hope it's true because that would be awesome. It seems crazy because pensions are few and far between these days it seems, unless you are around 80 and retired with one years ago.
Yes I am 39, I have a military pension that’s padded with a 10yr day trade bundle. There’s a bit more to it, I’ll discuss in PM if you’d like.
 
It’s bit more of a chubby fire. I too wanted to have zero concerns. I wouldn’t have retired if I couldn’t be worry free.
Good for you! Congratulations.

Once we get the last kid through college, it'll be time to decide if I want to continue the corporate game or kick back and find something else.

I work from home, and have for 20 years, so it doesn't feel all that much like a grind most of the time. This year has been a little different though as they sent me back to school and I had to create and manage two additional teams. But I work smart and play hard so it's a good balance.
 
i was let go during the beginning of the pandemic and I tried to talk my wife into moving to Ecuador where we would be considered well off instead of barely scraping by here. She said no so back to the grind. If we stay here, i'll never retire, but if we move to ecuador or thailand, I could retire now. I still got all these kids to pay for too =T
 
i was let go during the beginning of the pandemic and I tried to talk my wife into moving to Ecuador where we would be considered well off instead of barely scraping by here. She said no so back to the grind. If we stay here, i'll never retire, but if we move to ecuador or thailand, I could retire now. I still got all these kids to pay for too =T
I think this goes back to the location point and valuation. If I gave you an income stream of $15K a month, $2M in the bank, I’d still say good luck living in San Francisco…. Retire in your 70s…. But if I put you in a place, say Alabama, you’re set.

You have one single life to live. I lost all of my grandparents within a short period of time, and was able to have a full blown “I’m gonna die soon so listen up” with my Grandfather…

He told me he worked his entire life, had two pensions, a solid savings, house paid for, zero debt…. All to just end up on deaths door step and not able to enjoy life at 72.

He showed me an extremely important view…

Your golden years are in the middle. 40-60, NOT 60-80

Everything in the 60-80 range are the rusty years…. Shits fallen apart, everything hurts, etc…

So my wife and I made the decision to work our asses off and get to a point where we can enjoy our REAL golden years. Which is now.

I never miss a single moment with my daughters lives, I spend every day with my wife and we share every meal, and I see my friends and extended family whenever I want. That’s what life is. Chasing smiles with loved ones.

Time. You won’t get it back. And retirement is ALL of the time.
 
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I think this goes back to the location point and valuation. If I gave you an income stream of $15K a month, $2M in the bank, I’d still say good luck living in San Francisco…. Retire in your 70s…. But if I put you in a place, say Alabama, you’re set.

You have one single life to live. I lost all of my grandparents within a short period of time, and was able to have a full blown “I’m gonna die soon so listen up” with my Grandfather…

He told me he worked his entire life, had two pensions, a solid savings, house paid for, zero debt…. All to just end up on deaths door step and not able to enjoy life at 72.

He showed me an extremely important view…

Your golden years are in the middle. 40-60, NOT 60-80

Everything in the 60-80 range are the rusty years…. Shits fallen apart, everything hurts, etc…

So my wife and I made the decision to work our asses off and get to a point where we can enjoy our REAL golden years. Which is now.

I never miss a single moment with my daughters lives, I spend every day with my wife and we share every meal, and I see my friends and extended family whenever I want. That’s what life is. Chasing smiles with loved ones.

Time. You won’t get it back. And retirement is ALL of the time.
I couldn't have said it any better myself!!!
 
I think this goes back to the location point and valuation. If I gave you an income stream of $15K a month, $2M in the bank, I’d still say good luck living in San Francisco…. Retire in your 70s…. But if I put you in a place, say Alabama, you’re set.

You have one single life to live. I lost all of my grandparents within a short period of time, and was able to have a full blown “I’m gonna die soon so listen up” with my Grandfather…

He told me he worked his entire life, had two pensions, a solid savings, house paid for, zero debt…. All to just end up on deaths door step and not able to enjoy life at 72.

He showed me an extremely important view…

Your golden years are in the middle. 40-60, NOT 60-80

Everything in the 60-80 range are the rusty years…. Shits fallen apart, everything hurts, etc…

So my wife and I made the decision to work our asses off and get to a point where we can enjoy our REAL golden years. Which is now.

I never miss a single moment with my daughters lives, I spend every day with my wife and we share every meal, and I see my friends and extended family whenever I want. That’s what life is. Chasing smiles with loved ones.

Time. You won’t get it back. And retirement is ALL of the time.



this is my sentiment as well. I have a feeling im not going to live past 65 anyways, and my own father passed away at 62. I had children late so I'll still have kids in highschool when i reach 60. I try to spend all my time with them. Drop them off at school, leave the office early to pick them up. I go to games, dance competitions, bug adventures.. I know this is peak life right now. I have no retirement plan and dont plan to retire anyways. But these are the years and moments that my family needs me so i try to be present. Even with more money, my life wouldnt change much. Maybe few more vacations and some more chips, but i'd keep my job, and i'd stay in the same house, and i'd still spend all the time i could with my family.


PEAK LIFE is now!
 
I am 67, had a stroke at 62 - if I could go back and do it like @louBdub i would but you only get one shot so I am ok with how it turned out. My faith is what’s most important to me, but you do you I can only do me.
 
To figure what you will “need” on retirement figure out how much money you would like to have to live off off each year. That would need to be about 4-6% of your portfolio …assuming you were invested in a way that would generate about 10% returns on an average a year…also accounting for 3% inflation
 
To figure what you will “need” on retirement figure out how much money you would like to have to live off off each year. That would need to be about 4-6% of your portfolio …assuming you were invested in a way that would generate about 10% returns on an average a year…also accounting for 3% inflation

My wife & I decided what we needed/wanted early on, and built from there. Having been married for 18yrs and working towards our goals, and being completely in step together was huge for us. Same team, same direction & same journey.

We needed:

Steady income from things we setup ✅
Full Medical Coverage ✅
Enough funds to enjoy the interest ✅
No Arterial Debt ✅

Once those boxes were all checked, that was that. Retired ✅

It’s definitely a must do if you plan to ever retire, otherwise it simply will never happen.
 
What is this “Full Medical Coverage ✅” you speak of?

There does not seem to be anything like guaranteed coverage in the U.S.

There are a zillion loopholes even in gold-plated policies, giant deductibles, plus insurers looking to find any excuse to deny claims and make you fight for what you thought you’d paid for.

They’ve got bureaucratic hacks in call center cubicles overruling doctors left and right. I pay over $500 a month (just for myself—can’t imagine what people with big families pay). I get nothing covered unless I’ve already shelled out $9K in expenses annually. So effectively $15K until anything’s “free” (meaning until you get the privilege of going to war with your own insurer.)

I’m an active, vegetarian, non-smoker who has never broken a bone or spent a single night in a hospital. I see a doctor once a year for a perfunctory checkup. But being healthy and living well still doesn’t keep the expenses down.

If I were 20 and had to start all over again, I’d try to get the barest bones catastrophic insurance until I was ~50 just to guard against any major accident, and pay smaller medical bills out of pocket. And research what kind of low tax/untaxed/tax-deductible invested accounts can be set up to self-fund future medical expenses.

Then have a nice pile of cash by the time I was old enough to need it for healthcare... Rather than sending these shady corporations hundreds a month for something I can’t 100% rely upon. But then 90% of doctors won’t see you without an insurance card.
 
What is this “Full Medical Coverage ✅” you speak of?

There does not seem to be anything like guaranteed coverage in the U.S.

There are a zillion loopholes even in gold-plated policies, giant deductibles, plus insurers looking to find any excuse to deny claims and make you fight for what you thought you’d paid for.

They’ve got bureaucratic hacks in call center cubicles overruling doctors left and right. I pay over $500 a month (just for myself—can’t imagine what people with big families pay). I get nothing covered unless I’ve already shelled out $9K in expenses annually. So effectively $15K until anything’s “free” (meaning until you get the privilege of going to war with your own insurer.)

I’m an active, vegetarian, non-smoker who has never broken a bone or spent a single night in a hospital. I see a doctor once a year for a perfunctory checkup. But being healthy and living well still doesn’t keep the expenses down.

If I were 20 and had to start all over again, I’d try to get the barest bones catastrophic insurance until I was ~50 just to guard against any major accident, and pay smaller medical bills out of pocket. And research what kind of low tax/untaxed/tax-deductible invested accounts can be set up to self-fund future medical expenses.

Then have a nice pile of cash by the time I was old enough to need it for healthcare... Rather than sending these shady corporations hundreds a month for something I can’t 100% rely upon. But then 90% of doctors won’t see you without an insurance card.
Lou is a retired United States service veteran. As such he gets medical care at any base hospital as does his wife. The service is staffed with many top notch physicians. It is the least our country can do for his lifetime dedication to us.
 
Lou is a retired United States service veteran. As such he gets medical care at any base hospital as does his wife. The service is staffed with many top notch physicians. It is the least our country can do for his lifetime dedication to us.
I so appreciate your view on this. It’s unfortunate this way of thinking has pretty much dissolved. I so appreciate our military members for the sacrifices they’ve made.
 

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