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[bvegas80]

Hello all. My name is Brian or Vegas....
I have been playing poker for twenty one years. And have never ran a game or hosted. Poker is my pure passion.

I will share my evolution, and pics. In a different thread.

I had a situation occur.

Before let me give you a brief context before i go into the event.

Villain: semi pro. Very much so for the "rules of the game" this guy has helped me structure fair rake. Loaned me some chips to add flair to my game. So i had a biased view at first. After listening to the guys, doong some investigating work. I choose to hear what the community has to say.

This topic I posted. My poker coach is a content creator over at Crushlivepoker. And i will be addressing this issue and what its like to run a home game next Wednesday. So you guys can tune in. There were some mixed comments.

Here we go.

Villain has previously announced he was leaving after this orbit. He has to be home to his wife at 2am. This is natural. He wins 90 percent of the time. So hitting and running isn't really a concern.

However i did have a whale on the table. A first timer. That loved the action and the stage of poker.

Villain Utg plus 1....

Utg folds.... And i hear him say to the folded player. " I thought i was going to double you up, and proceeded to open shove for 200bbs." And mentioned something about not looking. I didnt hear exactly what was said. From the whole table. They didnt think he looked. I intervened because i felt the happiness iff the table dynamic shift. And it got serious. So i asked did you look? The villain didn't answer and it was certainly his right.

Most of the drama was unwarranted. He used a person that was not involved in a hand. To influence action. Regardless. The Utg was folded and done with her hand. So he broke a rule.... In my opinion....

After a few minutes of deliberation. The whale calls.... The villain scoops. He shows Aces.....

The table was mad at him. They hold him in high regard. They wanted to skin him. I felt terrible. Its his certain right to leave. The guys in my game. Said he hit and run. That was a predatory cheap shot at an angle. Tons of things.

I got the guys story. No matter what he tells me. He involved a player that was not in the hand. I wish i better addressed the situation there. For me im mad at myself. For allowing the dynamic to shift without appropriately addressing it.

Now the guy. Will not come back because hes mad at me for not letting this go. I easily choose the side of what i believe the be. The truth. So i seek it. And will hold him accountable jist as he dies every player on the table. My guys want him back, i dont know why. And now he definitely hit and run because he can't apologize and make things right.

So my question to the group.

Was this poor etiquette?
Classless?
A simple mistake from a twenty year semi pro.
Or a blatant angle shoot?

Thank you guys.....

 

[bvegas80]

There is a lot of missing info. If anyone has questions. I do such a piss poor job of organizing and grammar.

It wouldn't be such a big deal, but it is. Its the little things to me.

Wednesday crushlivepoker. You can hear the full details in a better context.

 

[Skagglio]

 

[Perthmike]

Deleting my rant. Apologies to all.

In summary. Op is wrong and I'm defending the villain.

 

[bvegas80]

I know. I saw thay on a reddit post when i was trying to find similar scenarios.

Theres a difference. My guys arent playing for big money. Its a 1-1 game. Was previously a .25 .25 cent game. I evolved.

And phil helmouth mouth certainly might warrant that.

But not my guys. Half that are poker dealers from ny local casino who follow the rules.

 

[bvegas80]

My two cents. I know the villain very well, I know him to be extremely trustworthy and of good morals, especially at the tables (though he is a crusher).

You are talking about stakes that are on the small side for what he plays and this is a game he doesn't know well at all, so from a risk standpoint doing something dodgy would be stupid. But see my first point about how upstanding he is.

I've heard the story from him first hand, and you have many details wrong.

So in summary, you seem like a bit of a fuck nugget to come on here and question him like this. Even if it is anonymous.

You won't find a single person on here with a bad word to say about him.

Please sign off and never return lol

There are three sides to every story.
You being so quick to rush to defend a man. .

Im not asking for anyone to defend anyone this is an anonymous point.

Why dont you hear the truth from the ither side.

My two cents. I know the villain very well, I know him to be extremely trustworthy and of good morals, especially at the tables (though he is a crusher).

You are talking about stakes that are on the small side for what he plays and this is a game he doesn't know well at all, so from a risk standpoint doing something dodgy would be stupid. But see my first point about how upstanding he is.

I've heard the story from him first hand, and you have many details wrong. I can accept that maybe if you didn't quite hear the details exactly it could look weird, but I promise you it isn't. You are certainly over-dramatising this.

So in summary, you seem like a bit of a fuck nugget to come on here and question him like this. Even if it is anonymous.

You won't find a single person on here with a bad word to say about him.

Please sign off and never return lol. Good luck on the Bart Hanson show though, I really enjoy his videos. I hope you get roasted

And again.....

Were you there. Dont worry i have more people coning first hand if it gets to be like this.

 

[Perthmike]

There are three sides to every story.
You being so quick to rush to defend a man. .

Im not asking for anyone to defend anyone this is an anonymous point.

Why dont you hear the truth from the ither side.


And again.....

Were you there. Dont worry i have more people coning first hand if it gets to be like this.

Of course I am. This forum is a place of trust, we send eachother thousands of dollars on a trust basis.

Additionally I know him on a more personal level, so that only adds to my confidence.

And you sir have come onto this forum purely to recruit players for your low stakes cash game. You had 5 posts before today. You've mentioned a whale also, so I assume you are running this game to try to profit from your players rather than have fun. Do you take a rake as well?

I don't need to have been there, the villain has my absolute trust. But you don't.

 

[bvegas80]

Of course I am. This forum is a place of trust, we send eachother thousands of dollars on a trust basis.

Additionally I know him on a more personal level, so that only adds to my confidence.

And you sir have come onto this forum purely to recruit players for your low stakes cash game. You had 5 posts before today. You've mentioned a whale also, so I assume you are running this game to try to profit from your players rather than have fun. Do you take a rake as well?

I don't need to have been there, the villain has my absolute trust. But you don

Of course I am. This forum is a place of trust, we send eachother thousands of dollars on a trust basis.

Additionally I know him on a more personal level, so that only adds to my confidence.

And you sir have come onto this forum purely to recruit players for your low stakes cash game. You had 5 posts before today. You've mentioned a whale also, so I assume you are running this game to try to profit from your players rather than have fun. Do you take a rake as well?

I don't need to have been there, the villain has my absolute trust. But you don't.

Since you got this mans dick so far up your ass. Why dint you tell the version if i got it wrong?

I've never recruited. I used this forum as a guidance and education.

 

[MatB]

Even if I didn’t know who OP was talking about,
I’d still say OPs version of events would barely pass the sniff test for improprieties.
Your version of events, even at face value at worst on a scale of 1 to 10 would be a zero in terms of poor etiquette.
Also ‘Villain’ announced they were leaving in a low stakes cash game and then they happen to win a hand and then leave. ?
Oh no ! The shock !!

Now, back to me actually knowing who you are calling the ‘villain’.
You must be on crack if you think there was any shady business with the person you are talking about.
I’d suggest you do some background research on people be fore you start slinging mud.

 

[bvegas80]

This is a home game. No matter what the villain tells you. He colluded with a girl that was not even in the hand. He influenced action.

He was wrong. He knows the rules, he knows better. I don't care who the fuck this guy is. He was wrong.

 

[Perthmike]

Side note, villain is upset because he was hoping to call a hand that was shoved blind in a low stakes game. He had no money in the pot in the first place so boohoo regardless. You've heard half a conversation and then try to influence the entire table by insisting you wanted to know what was said.

Lol jog on bruv

 

[bvegas80]

Even if I didn’t know who OP was talking about,
I’d still say OPs version of events would barely pass the sniff test for improprieties.
Your version of events, even at face value at worst on a scale of 1 to 10 would be a zero in terms of poor etiquette.
Also ‘Villain’ announced they were leaving in a low stakes cash game and then they happen to win a hand and then leave. ?
Oh no ! The shock !!

Now, back to me actually knowing who you are calling the ‘villain’.
You must be on crack if you think there was any shady business with the person you are talking about.
I’d suggest you do some background research on people be fore you start slinging mud.

It ain't about winning a hand. Its proper etiquette.

 

[Perthmike]

Since you got this mans dick so far up your ass. Why dint you tell the version if i got it wrong?

I've never recruited. I used this forum as a guidance and education.

I believe you have the part about the opening conversation wrong

 

[MatB]

OP.

Your story is weak sauce for any kind of collusion/ angle/ shady business

And then you add In Who you think the villain is and that makes your story that much weaker.

 

[bvegas80]

Side note, villain is upset because he was hoping to call a hand that was shoved blind in a low stakes game. He had no money in the pot in the first place so boohoo regardless. You've heard half a conversation and then try to influence the entire table by insisting you wanted to know what was said.

Lol jog on bruv

What's with you and this low stakes nonsense?

Like your some baller.... Your funny

 

[bvegas80]

No cock up my ass, but if I were that way inclined I'd be putting mine up yours because you sound like a bitch

The villain knows where I live.

Stop by mike inwill.mopnyoi across the floor.

 

[Perthmike]

Ok maybe i went too far with that one but I've had a stressful morning lol and some relief was necessary.

Either way, I can promise you nothing shady occured with that hand.

 

[bvegas80]

OP.

Your story is weak sauce for any kind of collusion/ angle/ shady business

And then you add In Who you think the villain is and that makes your story that much weaker.

You will be silenced shortly. Your said villain. Is not so credible. Thats okay he chose this route.

 

[Perthmike]

What's with you and this low stakes nonsense?

Like your some baller.... Your funny

Actually I don't play anymore because I've got more kids on the way and my bankroll has disappeared into a larger car. And even when I did I was a 1/3 player with a bit of 2/5 if I was feeling brave. So I'm very far from a baller lol.

But 1/1 is generally considered low stakes, and I was referring to the stakes for the player you were talking about. Nothing positive or negative meant by it, but the stakes are relevant. Because the sums involved are fairly small in relation to the general games played by the person you are accusing.

As I said, this is a forum of trust. So when you come on here accusing long time members of cheating/colluding/angling we aren't likely to take it well.

 

[bvegas80]

Ok maybe i went too far with that one but I've had a stressful morning lol and some relief was necessary.

Either way, I can promise you nothing shady occured with that han

Actually I don't even play anymore because I've got more kids on the way and my bankroll has disappeared into a larger car. And even when I did I was a 1/3 player with a bit of 2/5 if I was feeling brave. So I'm very far from a baller lol.

But 1/1 is generally considered low stakes, and I was referring to the stakes for the player you were talking about. Nothing positive or negative meant by it, but the stakes are relevant. Because the sums involved are fairly small in relation to the general games played by the person you are accusing.

Who has the villain beat?

Hes a bun hunter. He uses this to recruit his own players.

He doesn't beat anyone credible.

And mike. When i unfold more to this villain because we have other dealings.

Im still not decided if i want to really destroy his reputation. I just want him to apologize. Thats all

The more you know Mike

 

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@Perthmike

 

[JMC9389]

 

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[Saoliver]

This has to be good to get @Perthmike out of retirement! Congrats on the more kids on the way?

I assume that I know who the villain is here. And I only know him to be a standup guy. And poker is poker.

 

[MatB]

You will be silenced shortly. Your said villain. Is not so credible. Thats okay he chose this route.

Silenced?
Your original post has your entire explanation of what you perceived happened.
Then You asked what people thought happened.
Angle?
Collusion?
Etc. etc

Just your original Post would be enough for me to say NO, nothing happened.

I think you’re over thinking a low stakes home game

And now let’s add that although you are keeping villain anonymous, I know who it is and I am telling you that you are fucking nuts if you think they would be angling or colluding.

And NO. It was not bad etiquette to leave after you had announced you are leaving after an orbit.
Whatever happens in the proceeding hands after the announcement.

You sound like you’re upset he stacked a player and left.

Poker for 21 years? You may need to play with some better players and get more experience in table etiquette

 

[bvegas80]

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This has to be good to get @Perthmike out of retirement! Congrats on the more kids on the way?

I assume that I know who the villain is here. And I only know him to be a standup guy. And poker is poker.

It will get better i promise you

 

[Perthmike]

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This has to be good to get @Perthmike out of retirement! Congrats on the more kids on the way?

I assume that I know who the villain is here. And I only know him to be a standup guy. And poker is poker.

Haha we all know I like to get myself riled up at times, but yes two more . Scans today have me especially on edge.

So I'll go ahead an apologise to @bvegas80 for going full rant mode.

I still think you are very wrong on this though and I stand by my staunch defence of the villain.

Bum hunter I'm not so sure about but everyone should always be making appropriate game selection surely. Why would you play against a table full of sharks when there are fish for the taking. I know you agree with me because you said you have a whale you are trying to keep in the pond.

 

[bvegas80]

Silenced?
Your original post has your entire explanation of what you perceived happened.
Then You asked what people thought happened.
Angle?
Collusion?
Etc. etc

Just your original Post would be enough for me to say NO, nothing happened.

I think you’re over thinking a low stakes home game

And now let’s add that although you are keeping villain anonymous, I know who it is and I am telling you that you are fucking nuts if you think they would be angling or colluding.

And NO. It was not bad etiquette to leave after you had announced you are leaving after an orbit.
Whatever happens in the proceeding hands after the announcement.

You sound like you’re upset he stacked a player and left.

Poker for 21 years? You may need to play with some better players and get more experience in table etiquette

Im a polarizing figure I understand etiquette.

I press the rules at the casino.

Im just here to speak the truth ......
And let you guys know somethings.

Since most of you assure hes a saint. I can promise you hes not. Its people like you who have no clue.

I understand you dont have to believe me. I will have the dealer apeak on this incident when he gets off work. And sone other players from that game to give you a better perspective.

Its funny how you hijacked this thread. Now i cant get a decent opinion. That wouldn't be biased.

I have some pretty sensitive information i should disclose and i will. Now is not the time. I will post the proof. And hopefully you will view the said villain in the light he truly deserves .

People make mistakes. We own them. As men. Him. He wanted to justify this event. To better serve.

The simple answer is yes its a low stakes home game. Why would a man pull a stupid move like this in a very friendly atmosphere.

Like you guys at first I let it go. But my guys were mad. So i have to protect them.

 

[bvegas80]

And they arent mad he takes their money. They genuinely liked and looked up to this man

 

[bvegas80]

Haha we all know I like to get myself riled up at times, but yes two more . Scans today have me especially on edge.

So I'll go ahead an apologise to @bvegas80 for going full rant mode.

I still think you are very wrong on this though and I stand by my staunch defence of the villain.

Bum hunter I'm not so sure about but everyone should always be making appropriate game selection surely. Why would you play against a table full of sharks when there are fish for the taking. I know you agree with me because you said you have a whale you are trying to keep in the pond.

You are absolutely correct.

Dont make it assume this guy is a crusher.
He doesn't crush 5-10 or even regular 2-5.

He bum hunts here. He beats people... Lower stakes

If he knew how to negiotate appropriately at the end of this summer.

I would love to take his whole bankroll... But he wouldn't do that