Pot Limit with All-In ? (1 Viewer)

[CrazyEddie]

I was watching some PLO on Hustler Live and I noticed that people were allowed to bet/raise all-in even if that bet would have been bigger than pot limit would normally allow.

e.g.

SB 5
BB 10
UTG call 10
+1 all-in for 125

(and then five people call because it's PLOL but that's beside the point)

Is this common? If not, any idea why HL does it? What effect does it have on gameplay?

 

[detroitdad]

Any pot limit game I have played in only allows you to bet the pot. Doesn't matter whether you announce all in or not.

 

[Kain8]

That's pretty bush league. Your best dealers have to be working on the stream to prevent mishaps like this.

 

[TheOffalo]

I was watching some PLO on Hustler Live and I noticed that people were allowed to bet/raise all-in even if that bet would have been bigger than pot limit would normally allow.

e.g.

SB 5
BB 10
UTG call 10
+1 all-in for 125

(and then five people call because it's PLOL but that's beside the point)

Is this common? If not, any idea why HL does it? What effect does it have on gameplay?

The easiest way to calculate what you can raise in PLO is take the last bet/raise, multiply it by 3, and then add the rest of the pot not counting the last bet/raise. So you can potentially raise all in for more than the pot if there was a bet/raise ahead of you.

Example:

SB 5
BB 10
UTG raises to 20
UTG+1 pots to 75 (20x3 + 15)
MP goes all-in for 225 (max raise would have been to 260)

Could there have been an intermediate bet between the UTG call and the all-in in your example? That’d allow someone to go all-in for more than the pot but still within what’s allowed in PL betting.

 

[LeLe]

Sound like The dealer and floor manager just deal in a PLO for the first time, +1 can announce all in but dealer will only accept max pot call

But then recently HCL had been on the downstream, they keep inviting people who are very clueless on poker to the steam. The most recent being Welsey who actually asked why the person with 76 didn’t win against K10 on a 76K55 board if I remember correctly

 

[surfik]

I did play no limit Omaha few times but it is rare at clubs..
And I do not recommend it...

 

[CrazyEddie]

I guess I should rewatch the stream and make sure I wasn't misunderstanding the betting, but this wasn't a case of bettors or dealers misunderstanding the rules, it happened numerous times and seemed to be accepted practice by everyone.

At one point someone bet slightly too large (not all-in) and the dealer corrected him, telling him the correct max bet based on the pot size, so I know the dealers are paying attention and enforcing the pot limit. It just seems like they're playing with a special rule - "pot limit, unless you go all-in, in which case go right ahead YOLO let's have a party"

 

[Machine]

We play it that way, here is how it goes.

its a '1 / 2 PLO game' but you can straddle from anywhere, and you can straddle for a max of $15, you can also raise to $15 from anywhere at any time.

You can over bet the pot and push all in at any time, BUT anyone can call you back, meaning if there is 45 in the pot and you bet 300, the person only has to call 45

 

[CrazyEddie]

We play it that way, here is how it goes.

its a '1 / 2 PLO game' but you can straddle from anywhere, and you can straddle for a max of $15, you can also raise to $15 from anywhere at any time.

You can over bet the pot and push all in at any time, BUT anyone can call you back, meaning if there is 45 in the pot and you bet 300, the person only has to call 45

Interesting, thanks.

What do you do if A overbets to 300, B calls his 300, but C wants to just call the original 45 limit?

 

[Machine]

That is not typical, but A would be called back to 45, B would then typically raise to 200, C would then fold because A is going to reraise

OR

A would be called back to 45, B would call or fold, C would typically call, its customary to not call back if you don't plan to call

 

[Machine]

It creates some interesting dynamics, I wasn't at the game when this happened but this is fun.

Flop comes out giving A quads, B pushes all in, I don't know the exact numbers or hands, I think B had flopped a boat. A calls B back to the pot size bet, I'm guessing to try to keep players behind A and B in the pot. Basically stacks B by the river but slowed him down to keep other players in the pot.

So other players putting B on a hand are likely to think A is on a draw and maybe the money is right to stay in. Player A is hard to beat.

 

[moose]

We play it that way, here is how it goes.

its a '1 / 2 PLO game' but you can straddle from anywhere, and you can straddle for a max of $15, you can also raise to $15 from anywhere at any time.

I've played that way in a casino before.

That's the 'dealers are dumb rule'

As in dealers are too dumb to count the pot correctly so they count the blinds as "5" total. So you can pot to $15.

 

[Machine]

I think most of my posts in 'show us your live stacks' are from this game..

Here is the highest cash out from that game ... in for 2 out for 12ish? It can get very crazy, last week was in for 600 out for 900

 

[jmc999]

Sound like The dealer and floor manager just deal in a PLO for the first time, +1 can announce all in but dealer will only accept max pot call

But then recently HCL had been on the downstream, they keep inviting people who are very clueless on poker to the steam. The most recent being Welsey who actually asked why the person with 76 didn’t win against K10 on a 76K55 board if I remember correctly

Yeah, that guy is a crypto millionaire. He's been playing poker for less than 1 month if I remember correctly. Doesn't know how to stack his chips properly yet, but wants to play with the best players.

 

[LeLe]

Yeah, that guy is a crypto millionaire. He's been playing poker for less than 1 month if I remember correctly. Doesn't know how to stack his chips properly yet, but wants to play with the best players.

Ya, i don’t really see the entertainment of livestream people who are clueless about the game

Only good for the better player on the table but not the audience

 

[OfficerLovejoy]

Ya, i don’t really see the entertainment of livestream people who are clueless about the game

Only good for the better player on the table but not the audience

I personally enjoy watching a mix of good and below average players.
Let's face it, we all encounter bad players in our games and I enjoy seeing the pro get max value on a middling holding, squeezing out thin value on the river. This improves my game more than watching a table of gto wizards bluff shoving with the nut blocker and getting the second nuts to fold, because none of the players in my game would ever make that fold.