PLO - big hand + fuzzy thinking

trever

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This hand shouldn't be particularly controversial but I'm not happy with my thinking (during or after) so I thought I'd throw it out to the forum.

.5/1 5-handed online game

Villain is semi-loose, aggressive, better than average player for these stakes, definitely neither stupid nor a maniac. Raises a lot preflop, but settles down after the flop.

UTG limps
Villain ($205) raises to $4
Short-stack ($18.50) in MP calls
SB folds
I ($201) re-raise to $17.50 from the big blind with A:ad::as::ts::9d:
Villain calls
Short stack shoves for his last $1
We both call, pot is $57.

Flop is :5s::ac::8d:

Action is on me
 

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Top set is current nut. Two runner runner nut flush draws. plus a running straight draw. SPR of three. This is about as it gets in PLO. Best villain hand is a monster wrap.

Hero needs to pot and be committed to a turn shove no matter what comes. Hero has $201 to start, $183 on the flop, $126 for the shove.

As always in PLO, expect variance -=- DrStrange
 

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Bet. Never Fold. Have to bet top set to protect times you reraise w/o AA.
 

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Obv bet is obv - only question is how much. There are 2 ways to go - pot it now, hoping that if villain calls he will feel that much more committed to call a shove for less on the turn, or bet the minimum to get the rest in on the next bet (about $42) and hope this entices villain into a bad call with a weak draw or even a shove with some sort of perceived FE. It sounds like you have a decent amount of history with villain and that should factor in to which option is best, but I probably default to option A.
 

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So Ben captured my thinking, except he like, did math and stuff.
Me, I just couldn't stand the thought of watching Villain fold, so I only bet $30.

In retrospect, I'm having a hard time thinking of a hand in villain's range that can call $30 but folds to a bigger bet. I didn't think through the stack sizes or the betting for future streets. Blech!

Villain calls the $30,
Pot is $107
Villain and I have just over $150 each.
Flop is :5s::ac::8d:
Turn is :6d:

Action's on me with my :ad::as::ts::9d:. Bet sizing?
 

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there are only two ways you could fuck this hand away. folding and not betting every street.

btw, i would adjust pf raise sizing to try to induce a shove that reopens betting. also smaller 3bets allow you to get more creative all around.
 

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No worries, Trev. Besides top set hero has blockers to villain's straight draws, and we just picked up nut diamond and straight draws. On flop, I'd prolly bet $40, but $30 isn't bad either. Certainly don't hate the turn card. On the turn I'm betting a hundo and Hellmuth-shoveling it in if raised with our boat/flush/straight draws.
 
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