PAHWM $5 NLHE at P*stars (1 Viewer)

[Coyote]

Before that hand, Hero had been irritatingly unlucky (not really hitting any flops and bluffing /semi-bluffing all the way). His big pairs either can't get paid or are cracked ( in the case of KK, where he lost his stack).

He is one buy-in down, forced to play more loose than optimal, with a VPIP/PFR of 24/18, an AF of 4, and a WSF of 56(!) with almost 20% of all hands dealt won, after more than 300 hands, for the session. He is mediumly loose by this table's average, but clearly the most agressive of all players.
Faces a difficult mix of TAGs, LAGs, Tight Passives and Loose Passives.
Villain is loose passive on the verge of pathetic, with 30/2 and is after cheap flops.
Effective stacks in the area of 90BBs.

Villain is on the BB.
Hero is UTG and sees . Opens to 3BBs.
Folds to villain on the BB, who calls.

Flop: .
Villain checks. Hero?

 

[upNdown]

My guess is you’re not getting paid off on this one either. But youve got to try to build this pot, just in case you get lucky. I’d bet whatever a typical continuation bet amount would be - 3bb?

 

[Beakertwang]

So I assume 30¢ in the pot? Might as well bet 20-25¢. Maybe get called by a set or the , or somebody willing to peel with a K.

 

[Forty4]

Guessing turn or river is and you lose to

Online is rigged.

 

[Coyote]

Hero feels that he 's sucked all the air out of the deck (just like a few hands ago when his QJ flopped a full house without getting paid) and decides to leave to the villain some room for improvement.
Hero checks back.

Turn is the (following the flop of ).

Villain bets 3BB, almost half pot (15c in a 32c pot).
Things may be getting ugly quickly, so hero raises, betting 15BB (75c).
Villain calls!

River is a brick: .

So, the board is and the pot is $1.84

Villain now checks!
Hero?

 

[LeLe]

I don’t think we are good with 8 flush once the villain call your check raise at turn.

Since the villain shown some weakness by checking at the river

I will go big like over Pot size bet to try to take the pot hoping A flush will fold if he Check Raise just fold

 

[MrCatPants]

Ace and Jack of clubs would both often take check-call (or for jack check- raise) lines here I think given the action. I'd probably check this back and just get to showdown.

Slow playing non nut flushes can definitely bring trouble cards.

 

[LeLe]

If you think from Villain POV, Hero are in the same case of either A or J club as well once Hero Bet on River.

Hero will lost 50% of the time when he bet pot size in this case or even 33% of the time if he bet 67% pot size at river but i prefer max pain aggression play

Hero will lost 99.9% of the time if he check at river.

 

[mipevi]

Jeez, so I’m taking pretty much different lines on all streets. But I like PLO, so what do I know.

Fold pre, assuming this isn’t very short-handed. Bet flop, maybe around half pot. Call turn, raising big is just overrepping your hand. On the river after that big turn raise got called, I’d probably just check it back.

 

[upNdown]

Hero feels that he 's sucked all the air out of the deck (just like a few hands ago when his QJ flopped a full house without getting paid) and decides to leave to the villain some room for improvement.
Hero checks back.

Turn is the (following the flop of ).

Villain bets 3BB, almost half pot (15c in a 32c pot).
Things may be getting ugly quickly, so hero raises, betting 15BB (75c).
Villain calls!

River is a brick: .

So, the board is and the pot is $1.84

Villain now checks!
Hero?

Based on the way the action has gone, I think it is very likely that villain has either the ace of clubs or the jack of clubs. I'm guessing it's the ace, because if it was the jack, he'd almost have to lead out at the river, right? So what, your only chances of winning this are to hope he's only got the A high flush and that you can bet him off it? I hate to say it, but I think you have to check back the river.

 

[Coyote]

Hero, being on un-acknowledged, latent tilt, comes to the conclusion that Villain is just an idiot.
He 's seen idiots call all-ins with very weak holdings, in this table.
Hero goes all-in and is called and shown , losing yet another stack and proving himself to be the true idiot.
Hero calls it a (lost) session and resorts to verbal Blasphemy, an ages-old method of anger and tilt management around here.

 

[AR_poker]

Ugh, sounds like one of those sessions. My plan for this hand would be:

Pre-flop: open to 3BB. Folding to any reasonable-sized 3bet from BB given the stack depths, even though we're IP.

Flop: betting small IP, something like 25% pot. Likely 3betting a flop x/r if it comes and getting stacks in if the 90-BB-effective stacks allow it. If we're on the bad end of flopped flush over flopped flush, then it's reeeeeeally one of those days. Villain will 3bet better club combos pre at some frequency.

Turn: flatting a turn lead, betting small-ish again (like 40% pot?) when checked to. Targeting villain's two-pair (or sets if villain has them, though I'm expecting QQ, TT, 99, and KK to 3bet pre plenty) hoping to boat up on the river, or a really sticky one pair (though those should be insta-folds). If villain has any turn bluff stabs, our turn call will likely put the brakes on those. And yeah, we're crushing hands like Q9, but if we check back I don't think those hands put another cent into the pot except when they boat up. Don't mind charging villain's two-pairs and sets that feel frisky and want to try to draw out on us. If we think villain is capable of x/r as a bluff, probably begrudgingly calling a turn x/r and then folding to river aggression.

River: if villain led turn, I'm begrudgingly folding to anything but a block bet. Annoying with the fourth nuts, but I think it's fine to overfold on 4-flush boards given how underbluffed they are, and how villain has infinite AcXx and JcXx coverage in this single-raised pot. If we were the turn aggressor, hoping to go check-check.

Love the heart, though.

 

[MrCatPants]

Ugh, sounds like one of those sessions. My plan for this hand would be:

Pre-flop: open to 3BB.

Flop: betting small IP, something like 25% pot. Likely 3betting a flop x/r if it comes and getting stacks in if the 90-BB-effective stacks allow it. If we're on the bad end of flopped flush over flopped flush, then it's reeeeeeally one of those days. Villain will 3bet better club combos pre at some frequency.

Turn: flatting a turn lead, betting small-ish again (like 40% pot?) when checked to. Targeting villain's two-pair (or sets if villain has them, though I'm expecting QQ, TT, 99, and KK to 3bet pre plenty) hoping to boat up on the river, or a really sticky one pair (though those should be insta-folds). If villain has any turn bluff stabs, our turn call will likely put the brakes on those. And yeah, we're crushing hands like Q9, but if we check back I don't think those hands put another cent into the pot except when they boat up. Don't mind charging villain's two-pairs and sets that feel frisky and want to try to draw out on us. If we think villain is capable of x/r as a bluff, probably begrudgingly calling a turn x/r and then folding to river aggression.

River: if villain led turn, I'm begrudgingly folding to anything but a block bet. Annoying with the fourth nuts, but I think it's fine to overfold on 4-flush boards given how underbluffed they are, and how villain has infinite AcXx and JcXx coverage in this single-raised pot. If we were the turn aggressor, hoping to go check-check.

Love the heart, though.

On that last point - I thought about it a little more. Hero also blocks 3rd AND 4th nuts. Very unlikely a worse hand is going to lead/be aggressive here. And definitely supports a check back on the river. Hero is only getting called by better hands here.

 

[trigs]

Fold pre

Really? 78 suited is basically the nuts imho lol.

 

[mipevi]

@trigs from OP’s description I’m assuming pretty much a full table, and hero is facing a difficult mix of players (his words) OOP. I would like to be playing deeper than 90 big blinds effective in order to open it from UTG. This isn’t Live at the Bike LOL. But also it’s been a looong time since I’ve played NLHE, and even much longer since I played it full ring, so maybe 78s is an open now.

 

[AR_poker]

@trigs from OP’s description I’m assuming pretty much a full table, and hero is facing a difficult mix of players (his words) OOP. I would like to be playing deeper than 90 big blinds effective in order to open it from UTG. This isn’t Live at the Bike LOL. But also it’s been a looong time since I’ve played NLHE, and even much longer since I played it full ring, so maybe 78s is an open now.

Tbf, I thought it was unclear in OP's first post who was the effective stack. Agree that if hero has only 90 BBs this hand goes down in value as an open.

 

[Coyote]

I wonder if I should rename this thread as "Coyote's disillusionment about being able to play even at micro-stakes online, when he thought he was a steady winner".

I had to face a Swedish (or Sweden-based) maniac the night before, with a VPIP/PFR or 80/08, going all-in on the flop most of the time.
Heroic Russian "crocodiles", as I call them (with stats like 09/07, waiting peacefully for hours to grab and devour some careless victim) tried to confront him, only to find out that this time he had the best hand. VPIP 80 and WSD 78

I went all-in with him with top pair (K), holding KQ, only to find out he held the other two KKs, this time.
The second buy-in I lost was with AQ suited on a dry board, where he re-raised me.
I would have folded against any normal person, but went all-in against this kind of ultra-loose villain. He turned over K-10 off-suit (no contact with the board), giving me 75 to 25 favorable probabilities.
One 10 card flashed as the river, and I consider it a huge gain not having thrown the Mac out of the window.

 

[mipevi]

Maniacs on heaters are the worst.