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GoStumpy
Flush
I need one too for tonight's PLO8 game on Pstars LOL
The one that everyone seems to like is "Pot Limit Omaha Poker" by Jeff Hwang.
I've read that the preflop strategy might be a little too tight, but I'm not an Omaha expert by any means
I've read that the preflop strategy might be a little too tight, but I'm not an Omaha expert by any means
Hwang's book is a very good explanation of "how people get in trouble" playing PLO and PLO8. It covers both games. A few points I remember from this one:
1. Big money is usually made on the draw. I had three drawing freerolls at the Rumble and one of them hit. Hands where the worst I could do was chop, having flush and higher straight redraws to win. Huge concept you need to understand, imho. I had zero when I first played PLO/PLO8.
2. The goal in PLO is to win your opponent's entire stack, not just win individual hands. Sometimes you have to fold the flopped straight to protect your stack. That will seem very tight to a hold em player, but learning about 20 card draws makes you realize that you can be behind in this game with the current best hand.
I definitely recommend reading it, and I've been doing a lot of Omaha reading after Mark's Omaha lessons at The Melee!
1. Big money is usually made on the draw. I had three drawing freerolls at the Rumble and one of them hit. Hands where the worst I could do was chop, having flush and higher straight redraws to win. Huge concept you need to understand, imho. I had zero when I first played PLO/PLO8.
2. The goal in PLO is to win your opponent's entire stack, not just win individual hands. Sometimes you have to fold the flopped straight to protect your stack. That will seem very tight to a hold em player, but learning about 20 card draws makes you realize that you can be behind in this game with the current best hand.
I definitely recommend reading it, and I've been doing a lot of Omaha reading after Mark's Omaha lessons at The Melee!
Chicken Rob
Full House
+1 for Hwang. Helped me a lot.
It is a bit tight preflop but honestly that's perfect for a beginner. You'll get to see a ton of hands without a ton of variance (well, relative to the amount of variance you'd see with a looser albeit more correct preflop strat).
Highly recommended for anyone new to the game.
Chicken Rob
Full House
In a casino 5/5 or lower PLO game, how much equity do you think the Hwang hand selection is really giving up?
Any number I might throw out would be a pretty loose guess, but it's not a ton in any case.
The bigger problem is that most people don't have the discipline to actually execute the tight Hwang strat long term without straying in -EV, gambly ways, so if they don't learn how to loosen up without donking it up, they will end up with substantial leaks.
Chicken Rob
Full House
I'm naturally tight and disciplined. It comes from years of full ring mid-stakes limit Holdem. If I were to take up PLO as a money making venture, I could easily adopt the Hwang standard. As it is now, I'm slowly becoming a whale. I can't seem to book a winning session with decent competition.
Adam Crowley
Two Pair
It depends how many handed you are and how deep you are. 100bb deep Omaha 9 handed is similar to Holdem in that you have to play really tight. The deeper you are and the less players at the table the more you can open up.
Once you have got The Hwang strategy down pat, the best way to improve is to find your edge vs certain players. Everyone has big leaks in Omaha (even good players and certainly me). Taking advantage of these mistakes is the way to loosen up/tighten up your game in each situation.
You are best to strat with a tight strategy and work out how different hands play against each other then you can start to work on your edges.
Has anyone read Hwang's "Advanced" book? Opinions?
It's been a few years, but my recollection is that I didn't ultimately find them extremely helpful. My first read I thought it didn't connect because I didn't have enough experience to internalize the concepts, but then later after I'd put in a ton of hours I still found the concepts only broadly helpful.
As I'm typing this I'm remembering a little more and I remember thinking that the core precepts of the book were only applicable if you are already an astute hand-reader and have a good handle on your villains. So if you're playing with regs it's better than if you drop into a new casino with no knowledge of the player pool.
In any case, they're cheap as far as poker books go, so I'd say buy the first book and if you like it, pick up the second as well.
JoseRijo
Pair
I'm not sure I've ever been dealt a starting hand in PLO that would qualify in Hwang's world.
Butler, when are you going to publish your PLO8 manifesto as an ebook? At least then I would get to see it.
Butler, when are you going to publish your PLO8 manifesto as an ebook? At least then I would get to see it.
manamongkids
Full House
trever
Flush
The advanced book offers in-hand tactical suggestions for various scenarios but is not a significant strategic change from his original book.
Just emailed it to you.
I reread it recently for some reason and it's pretty lol-worthy as anything other than a complete noobs guide to O8 (not PLO8). It could literally serve as a pamphlet to be given out to hold 'em players when the floor wants to get people to play O8, but other than that it's kind of useless. Although that's okay since I originally wrote it for @bergs and HDK when they were going to play O8 for the first time at Foxwoods.
There are also typos and general structural problems that would have to be repaired since it was originally just an email rather than a document intended for public consumption.
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
I know it is old, but the PLO8 section in Super Systems 2 helped me get the basics of the game down.
Sold the book years ago, so it's been a while, but I don't recall a PLO8 chapter.
My recollection is that SS2 definitely has PLO + O8 sections (along with tons of other games).
detroitdad
Royal Flush
Yeah PLO and O8, but not PLO8, right?
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
It is possible it is O8 and not PLO8. It has been years since I read it. But at the time it was groundbreaking for me either way. Up until then the only stuff I could find was in Hold'em.
Confirmed -- SS2 has a chapter on limit O8 by Bobby Baldwin and s chapter on PLO by Lyle Berman
This free content is great. More geared to online 6 max, but still good.
I like Stewart Reuben's How Good Is Your Pot Limit Omaha. Has flaws but many core concepts.
Unearthing this to ask if any of you has the last page of Lyle Berman's chapter in SS2, containing a "Killer Cards Chart". Should be page 295 or 296.
I 'd appreciate a scan of it.
Thx.
Edit: Warmest thanks to the members who helped in private
I 'd appreciate a scan of it.
Thx.
Edit: Warmest thanks to the members who helped in private
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