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Official Worldwide Football (Soccer) Discussion Thread (42 Viewers)
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JMC9389
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In real time I thought it went off the Portuguese defender first and it was a good goal. Watching the replays it looked like it went off the Croatian attacker first. Harsh way to lose and the result could have gone either way.
Watch it again in slow motion. it hit the defender’s head. Zero trajectory change off the Croatian player. The Portuguese defender was bent over facing the goal and it bounced off the back/top of his head towards the goal.
Then the defender and attacker both went for it knocking it in the net.
OP
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JMC9389
Royal Flush
I agree with you there, I think the VAR was trying to decide if it hit the attacker before that. The deflection you're referring to is what I saw in real time. I'm just not sure that the ball went off the Croatian attacker first. I'm not sure there was enough there to overturn the call on the field.
I say that as someone half Portuguese in heritage.
Minute 1:00 - 1:02 in the attached clip. View it slow motion back and forth with attention to the trajectory of the ball.
Minute 2:00 - 2:02 is an even better view.
I cannot fathom in what universe Matanović touched the ball.
Minute 2:00 - 2:02 is an even better view.
I cannot fathom in what universe Matanović touched the ball.
Yup - totally agree. I hate to see a team win or lose based on that. If even for the good of the cup - let them win or lose it on the field when it’s that controversial and decided the game.
I’m just blowing of steam with the posts above - lol. (Not directed at you - I’m just yelling at clouds
)I’m just so disappointed by the way they called that.
legend672
Full House
Never touched him and land on the Portugal guys head. It’s not right to disallow goals on marginal shit with no clear look at it. What did they do before this technology?
w00zie
Flush
Let’s go Switzerland!
Portugal to advance. Poly has it at 1:2 at this minute.
My $100 to your $200. Could do partial.
Anyone up for it?
Edit: Done, booked through PM.
My $100 to your $200. Could do partial.
Anyone up for it?
Edit: Done, booked through PM.
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Mr Winberg
Full House
Wife: Weren't you supposed to get your hair cut?
Igor Matanović: I'll do it after the game.
Igor Matanović: I'll do it after the game.
Mr Winberg
Full House
Even if it is not deliberate, according to the laws of the game you get a red card if you endanger the safety of the opponent AND the outcome is serious enough.
Sweden had a similar situation in the Euros against Ukraine, think it was 2020(1). A Swede got to the ball first and kicked it legally, the Ukrainian was close and got the follow-through on his knee (serious impact). Straight red!
For those with facebook, here is an explanation of USA's red card and why it was the correct call:
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1KMSMh53Be/
I disagree - strongly. There have been too many game changing decisions based on VAR with no judgment. In the case of the red card, there’s what’s written on the page and then there’s intent. Intent matters in these circumstances and judgment should prevail.
VAR is not supposed to judge those instances in slow motion and still frame, they did and sent both to the ref.
Did the player get hurt and leave the game…? Any other time and place - that’s a yellow, Germany’s goal stands, Croatia’s goal stands.
Too soon, too soon - lol.
I’m still steaming about that one
I won’t admit it’s funny for at least another week -
BPTDirector
Full House
Another questionable off sides call. US had two goals denied on close calls in their game.
GamingWithChips
3 of a Kind
While I agree intent should matter a lot more (in hockey players often get injured but because there’s deemed no “intent” to injure, they often don’t get penalized enough
)But it’s very easy (and legitimate) for players to not have any intent to injure, but still make a very reckless play.
If people are only penalized based on intent, and or on results (ie injured or not), then it very quickly becomes a player safety issue. Too many people needlessly get injured in sports because another player is reckless.
Edit: to add to this, if penalized only based on results of an injury then that’s an incentive for players to dive or fake injuries just to get a call, and that of course is bad for sports
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Mr Winberg
Full House
We should separate the discussions. Are we discussing what the rule is or what it should be?
If you're disagreen what the rule is, then there's no need for us to argue as I haven't written the rule. You can just look it up.
If you're endagering the opponent and the damage is large enough, it's a red regardless of intent. Hell, on the one with Sweden I mentioned I was fuming because HE HIT THE BALL FIRST, then the opponent. Just like a slide tackle, only more brutal. And with zero intent. A lot of people agreed with me. But we quickly got corrected by those who actually knew the rules. 
If you're disagreeing what the rule should be, then I partially agree with you. One part of me feels that the challenge should be judged, not the outcome. The same challenge should get the same sanction regardless of outcome. The other part of me thinks that penalizing the outcome is a good way to discourage such tackles.
If you're disagreen what the rule is, then there's no need for us to argue as I haven't written the rule. You can just look it up.
If you're endagering the opponent and the damage is large enough, it's a red regardless of intent. Hell, on the one with Sweden I mentioned I was fuming because HE HIT THE BALL FIRST, then the opponent. Just like a slide tackle, only more brutal. And with zero intent. A lot of people agreed with me. But we quickly got corrected by those who actually knew the rules. If you're disagreeing what the rule should be, then I partially agree with you. One part of me feels that the challenge should be judged, not the outcome. The same challenge should get the same sanction regardless of outcome. The other part of me thinks that penalizing the outcome is a good way to discourage such tackles.
GamingWithChips
3 of a Kind
This is where supplemental discipline should come into play.
1) same challenge gets the same penalty
2) if there is a resulting injury, then it can be reviewed post game for further penalty/discipline as needed
legend672
Full House
Is it common to have non scorers taking penalty kicks in the World Cup or is the Aussie manager just a mook ? Socceroos must be scratching their heads
A bit, but it's mostly about who's got the guts to do it. Some guys don't want to. What I thought was strange was seeing Souttar go first versus second, third, fourth. Your first taker needs to be a sure thing. I don't like seeing the kid Herrington taking one because he's so young, but I don't know that the position you play makes a huge difference. Kudos to him for having the balls to step up there. PKs are a lottery regardless!
I agree - there absolutely should be a penalty. It’s whether that action warranted a red card. IMO, it didn’t. Yellow card - yes, no argument.While I agree intent should matter a lot more (in hockey players often get injured but because there’s deemed no “intent” to injure, they often don’t get penalized enough
But it’s very easy (and legitimate) for players to not have any intent to injure, but still make a very reckless play.
If people are only penalized based on intent, and or on results (ie injured or not), then it very quickly becomes a player safety issue. Too many people needlessly get injured in sports because another player is reckless.
Edit: to add to this, if penalized only based on results of an injury then that’s an incentive for players to dive or fake injuries just to get a call, and that of course is bad for sports
As for diving…
GamingWithChips
3 of a Kind
What a nasty shot, go Cape Verde!
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