Murder vs No Murder & Why (1 Viewer)

[Nanook]

Obviously some here are quite pro-murder and others are anti-murder. What is your opinion & why?

I'll go first:

Chips I would murder:
Anything that is readily available in quantity is fair game as far as I am concerned. Chips like fantasy sets, starbursts, anything live or TCR chips are all ok to murder to me. There is basically no limit to how many could be had & no collectible value beyond just the basic chip price so I see no reason to hold off.

Chips I wouldn't murder:
I wouldn't murder anything that is collectible as a single and has added value just because it it collectible.

Pros:
I do like how you can make a set better or give it new life by making denominations available that wouldn't otherwise be available. I also love how you can easily combine different affordable chips into a set making it possible to make a set MUCH more affordable. Murder is perfect for adding fractionals to a set that doesn't have them etc

Cons:
It is fairly time consuming process and of course there is the look. Depending on how well the re-label job has been done, it can look anywhere between really good and really bad. Once murdered, you can't 100% go back either. You can try, but it isn't exactly the same.....

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]

#1 Murder Gripe: people who murder uncommon/badass/historical chips then decide to go a different way a few months later and sell the carcasses

 

[jpietrella]

I understand both sides. However, if it increases your enjoyment or use of them - murder it, baby. I'll add that there are probably certain chips I would never kill, but I don't begrudge anyone that would.

 

[Nanook]

#1 Murder Gripe: people who murder uncommon/badass/historical chips then decide to go a different way a few months later and sell the carcasses

This seems valid

There are some here that seem to feel it is their moral obligation to discourage murdering chips. I am trying to understand why there is such a strong feeling about this.....

 

[Colquhoun]

When I first joined, I felt it was bad to murder/mill any chip.
Every one murdered would be one less of those chips out there...forever. Would future chippers look back and wonder, "how could they have done that?"

Since then, I have softened quite a bit and am more in line with @Nanook. Common chips in quantity that you can repurpose and give new life? Go ahead.
Anything that even has a hint of collectability, leave be.

Still, I'm hoping the decisions of today don't haunt us tomorrow.

 

[Himewad]

If you’re not a collector, you’re going to have no problem with murdering chips. And if you are a collector, fewer chips in circulation is a good thing for your collections, right?

 

[AK Chip]

I murdered a big Jacks Tourney set, and now wish I hadn't. Time consuming, lots of failed attempts, and then feeling bad having killed chips others were searching for and not finding.

 

[Pinkdan]

 

[Josh Kifer]

#1 Murder Gripe: people who murder uncommon/badass/historical chips then decide to go a different way a few months later and sell the carcasses

F U 2

 

[Colquhoun]

If you’re not a collector, you’re going to have no problem with murdering chips. And if you are a collector, fewer chips in circulation is a good thing for your collections, right?

True, the more common/widely available chips get murdered, the more uncommon they all become.

 

[allforcharity]

How else are you going to get the fracs you need? Especially microstake denoms?

 

[aaronroch]

Most folks have basically the same opinion, they just draw the line in different places somewhere between these two:

“I murdered the last known existing TRK wossname thingie”. “You’re an asshole”

“I murdered my Claysmith Milanos”. “Buddy, stop talking, no-one cares”

 

[Rieguy]

#1 Murder Gripe: people who murder uncommon/badass/historical chips then decide to go a different way a few months later and sell the carcasses

Especially when they're solids and a simple trade/wanted ad would have easily yielded replacement chips in likely better condition, plus extra cash. Bonus points if they're chips you are openly after. Not bitter btw.

 

[Eloe2000]

I am a serial murderer. But they have only ever been fantasy chips, home game customs (initialed Paulsons and TRKs from home sales), starbursts, and roulettes. I felt completely unconflicted about those. I did murder two barrels of Carnival Cruise Lines snappers but those are commonly available and not viewed as historic or really collectible. Although I would not make a habit out of that. Generally speaking I have always avoided murder of any casino chips.

But to @ReallyGoodUsername ’s point, I don’t understand when people murder chips and then don’t even play them. I have always played my sets actively.

 

[Goldfish]

I murder just about everything…….

two problem I typically face 1) a lot of times cash game set denominations dont go high enough, and 2) a lot of times the higher denominations are not 43 mm, which is a must for me. Hence, I have to create my own. A great example is the FLV set….. I had to be creative….. chicken guts everywhere.

 

[Nanook]

I am a serial murderer..........Generally speaking I have always avoided murder of any casino chips.........

Even live Casino chips?

I can see the argument for taking this stance on anything that is discontinued, but for anything that is still live, that casino has the ability to buy unlimited #'s still so in my mind they are in "open season"......lol

 

[Nanook]

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Beautiful set!

 

[Eloe2000]

Even live Casino chips?

I can see the argument for taking this stance on anything that is discontinued, but for anything that is still live, that casino has the ability to buy unlimited #'s still so in my mind they are in "open season"......lol

I have avoided it because I haven’t needed to go that far. Not because I am taking a stance against it. I find fantasy chips 100% fair game and any notion to the contrary ridiculous. However I could understand arguments made against murdering some live casino chips. That being said I was almost going to do a set with Sams Town $1s murdered. I wouldn’t have any problem murdering those.

 

[Nanook]

I have avoided it because I haven’t needed to go that far. Not because I am taking a stance against it.......I could understand arguments made against murdering some live casino chips. That being said I was almost going to do a set with Sams Town $1s murdered. I wouldn’t have any problem murdering those.

I am thinking about Paris $1's and Sam's Town's & thinking that I can not come up with any good reason not to murder, but I know some would....

What is an example of a live chip that you wouldn't murder & why? I am having a hard time coming up with a good example.

 

[jpietrella]

I am thinking about Paris $1's and Sam's Town's & thinking that I can not come up with any good reason not to murder, but I know some would....

What is an example of a live chip that you wouldn't murder & why? I am having a hard time coming up with a good example.

Spotted birds?

 

[RichMahogany]

I have avoided it because I haven’t needed to go that far. Not because I am taking a stance against it. I find fantasy chips 100% fair game and any notion to the contrary ridiculous.

Even Le Cove chips, which are probably one of, if not the best lineup of fantasy chips from top to bottom?

I would never, ever murder a set of those

 

[Eloe2000]

I am thinking about Paris $1's and Sam's Town's & thinking that I can not come up with any good reason not to murder, but I know some would....

What is an example of a live chip that you wouldn't murder & why? I am having a hard time coming up with a good example.

I don’t have anything specific in mind, but if it is a historic or notable casino and or there were a limited quantity of chips in excellent condition or just limited in nature (small casino with not a lot of quantity or a special run of chips etc) I could see there being an argument against it. For example some casinos have a vary small quantity of fracs live just from specific games.

 

[Eloe2000]

Even Le Cove chips, which are probably one of, if not the best lineup of fantasy chips from top to bottom?

I would never, ever murder a set of those

I would have zero concerns murdering those.

And a better example for what you are looking for would be TRK Deadwoods or Rounders. My only concern murdering those would be that it was financially dumb.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Is it murder?

Before...

After...

Besides.. they're not so much "dead" as "Zombified"

 

[jpietrella]

This thread is gonna get salty real fast. Can't wait.

Fire up the Putin gifs.

 

[Jeevansluck]

I love these threads. I'll murder anything that I think suits my fancy. I could not care less what anyone thinks about this.

I'm definitely not even close to being an "offender" considering what I've seen other serial killers do around here. My mantra is, if I'm gonna kill it, do I plan to keep it, and if that answer is yes, I kill. If unsure or no, I overlabel.

So far though, I've murdered around 1000 chips and sold only 40 of them, and I'm sure they got used by the buyer.

 

[Jeevansluck]

Even live Casino chips?

I can see the argument for taking this stance on anything that is discontinued, but for anything that is still live, that casino has the ability to buy unlimited #'s still so in my mind they are in "open season"......lol

I've murdered 320 NYNY $1s.. definitely a live chip.

GPI keeps making them since fresh mint $1s still come out of the cage. (Thanks @casinochipper22 )

I feel like it's open season on live chips. Happy to buy them and kill them as long as they keep ordering them.

 

[Colquhoun]

Murdering a live Las Vegas chip that would otherwise be destroyed when they change to new chips…no problem.
However, those chips will gain quite a bit in value if left alone.

 

[Nanook]

Spotted birds?

yea, I could see the argument against murdering those...

Even Le Cove chips, which are probably one of, if not the best lineup of fantasy chips from top to bottom?

I would never, ever murder a set of those

Another interesting example. I could see both sides of this one....

....
And a better example for what you are looking for would be TRK Deadwoods or Rounders. My only concern murdering those would be that it was financially dumb.

another decent example where I could see both sides. Probably financially dumb though so for me, If it is significantly financially dumb, I'm probably not going to do it.

This thread is gonna get salty real fast. Can't wait.
Fire up the Putin gifs.

I have no problem with that.

 

[swana]

However, those chips will gain quite a bit in value if left alone.

I guess it matters how each person defines "value". I will get waaay more "value" having murdered Paris $1 in play regularly at my home games, than from any appreciation in price.