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On the 19th I'm hosting a multi table cash game. I have two cash sets. Neither are equipped for more than one table.

Do you think there will be a problem using two different sets for two tables?

I could either have two banks. Have someone run the bank at table two or I could just have one bank for both (which is what I'm leaning towards).

Obviously if I have to move a player to consolidate the tables then he will have to exchange his table 2 chips for table 1 chips. Shouldn't be to difficult.

Thoughts? Suggestions? How would you work this?

I could borrow a larger set from Paulo, Mike, ect....I really want to get the Samurai Palace and PCR's into play.

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I'd run one cash bank with both racks, but change up the chips whenever people move between tables.

Have people color-up at the table to avoid taking away workhorse chips. When converting at the bank, you can leave them with some cash, if they have odd amounts, or they can top up - switching tables is like buying into another game. That will help keep the new buy-in at round numbers, in case you've got all the smaller chips already in play.
 

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Have people color-up at the table to avoid taking away workhorse chips.

good idea

When converting at the bank, you can leave them with some cash, if they have odd amounts, or they can top up - switching tables is like buying into another game. That will help keep the new buy-in at round numbers, in case you've got all the smaller chips already in play.

One bank is probably the best idea. I'll keep a few extra dollars in the bank if they need topped up from .25 - ..75 cents to 1 dollar.

 

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One banker, one bank. As host you are going to be ultimately responsible for the money anyway.

As the night gets late and your players slowly go broke or go home, you will consolidate to one table. However, it may not be safe to assume there will be enough chips if the players leave because the busted rather than cash in their chips. If that happens, I suggest you keep the highest value chip from the second set in play as a store of value but use the smaller chips only from the first set. That way you might have two types of $100 chip on the table but the $1s, $5s, $25s are all from the same primary set.

Have fun! Take pictures!! (Like I am the poster child for forgetting to take pictures.)

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One banker, one bank. As host you are going to be ultimately responsible for the money anyway.

As the night gets late and your players slowly go broke or go home, you will consolidate to one table. However, it may not be safe to assume there will be enough chips if the players leave because the busted rather than cash in their chips. If that happens, I suggest you keep the highest value chip from the second set in play as a store of value but use the smaller chips only from the first set. That way you might have two types of $100 chip on the table but the $1s, $5s, $25s are all from the same primary set.

Have fun! Take pictures!! (Like I am the poster child for forgetting to take pictures.)

DrStrange


good point. Only one set has $100.00 chips. I have 20 of them, plus a rack of $25's ( .25/.50 game, 80.00 buy in which is quarters, 1's, and 5's).
I think what I'll do is borrow some 25's and 100's from Chaosrock

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For sure Bill! Whatever u need...

Nomad and the good Doc provided good advice...

If I could add one more: it might be a good idea to have someone else running the bank instead of you. You'll have 20 players at your place, you're cooking and entertaining... Adding banking to that might be too much... I think last time I played at your place John was the bank... I can do it also if you need me... A central depository for the chips and the cash helps also, with the banker being the only one with access to it...
 

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For sure Bill! Whatever u need...

Nomad and the good Doc provided good advice...

If I could add one more: it might be a good idea to have someone else running the bank instead of you. You'll have 20 players at your place, you're cooking and entertaining... Adding banking to that might be too much... I think last time I played at your place John was the bank... I can do it also if you need me... A central depository for the chips and the cash helps also, with the banker being the only one with access to it...


John ran the bank last time. Honestly. I don't trust John (not in a thieving sort of way, just didn't like the way he ran the bank).

I'm planning on picking up a lock box for the bank. Unfortunately I don't have a set up for the chips at this time. Eventually, yes, but probably not until the basement is 100% mine.

You don't usually get hammered up. We can discuss you running the bank. I don't think I'll bring your portion of the SP chips. In fact, if I could borrow a barrel of 100's and a couple of barrels of 25's that would be awesome. I can pick them up when I play at your place tomorrow night.

I will bring the loot that I owe you though. I'm ready to be free of it, lol.
 

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Total bank is a great point... You didn't mention stakes and I don't know how big you play, but if the PCR's set is 1/5/20 and good enough for one table for your game, I think the SP set can cover you as the main table when you consolidate - that's what, about $6k in SPs?

This may be a fun and rare opportunity to have hundos in play out of necessity.

Eyeballing, it looks like the PCR's are a rack of 20s and two racks of 5s...that's 3K, half the zen set... I think the most you really NEED to borrow is another barrel of SP hundos for reserve, but wants are another thing entirely...
 
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Total bank is a great point... You didn't mention stakes and I don't know how big you play, but if the PCR's set is 1/5/20 and good enough for one table for your game, I think the Matsui set can cover you as the main table when you consolidate - that's what, about $6k in Zen?

This may be a fun and rare opportunity to have hundos in play out of necessity.

Eyeballing, it looks like the PCR's are a rack of 20s and two racks of 5s...that's 3K, half the zen set... I think the most you really NEED to borrow is another barrel of Zen hundos for reserve, but wants are another thing entirely...


That was my plan with the two sets. SP main table and PCR's secondary table.

stakes:

.25/.50, 80.00 buy in. The games do get quite big sometimes. I am hoping to get the 100's in play. A damn beautiful chip.
 

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Funny I was just thinking about this exact thing for some reason. Depending on how many Samurai $25 chips you have I would use those exclusively for both tables, and make them your highest denom. Then use the quarters, $1 and $5 from each set at each table. If all your $1 are blue and all your $5 are red mixing would not hurt anything in my opinion (I think they are). Quarters who cares you could change those out if people move. Both $1 blue and $5 red would be live all night and only one $25 green in play. If you don't have enough SP greens I have a full rack of the $25 paulson oversize chips you are using with your Paulson set, that ought to get you through the night. Just my thought, a little less hectic running around that goes with 2 tables and the bank.
 

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Funny I was just thinking about this exact thing for some reason. Depending on how many Samurai $25 chips you have I would use those exclusively for both tables, and make them your highest denom. Then use the quarters, $1 and $5 from each set at each table. If all your $1 are blue and all your $5 are red mixing would not hurt anything in my opinion (I think they are). Quarters who cares you could change those out if people move. Both $1 blue and $5 red would be live all night and only one $25 green in play. If you don't have enough SP greens I have a full rack of the $25 paulson oversize chips you are using with your Paulson set, that ought to get you through the night. Just my thought, a little less hectic running around that goes with 2 tables and the bank.

I like the idea of using the $25.00 chip at both tables (I don't have a $25.00 chip for the PCR's). Not a fan of interchanging the 1's and 5's at both tables which is what I think your saying. It wouldn't look right, lol.

I think if a guy needs to move from the secondary table to the primary table then counting his stack, removing it from the table, and giving him high denoms for the main table shouldn't be to bad.

I'll have the chips organized within their cases to make it easy to cut out and distribute.
 

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Oh, so you play the yellow PCRs as quarters? You might end up using a few Zen chips over there if it gets big...


yep............

That's why I liked Mike's idea of interchanging the 25's and 100's at both tables. If I borrow a couple of barrels off of Paulo we should be good to go.
 

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Not a fan of interchanging the 1's and 5's at both tables which is what I think your saying. It wouldn't look right, lol.

As a former dealer who counts on cutting stacks to match bets, I'm always very leery of mixing a single denom from different sets - differences in height and feel. And even small differences in color and spots will slow people down when they start mixing.

But a single $25 across the tables should work fine.
 

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You do have a $25 for the PCr's (mine). But yeah it would not look as cool, just save some headache. If you don't want to use those $25 anymore I'll take em back as they may get sold off. I do have a whole rack if you wanted them, no big deal either way.
 

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You do have a $25 for the PCr's (mine). But yeah it would not look as cool, just save some headache. If you don't want to use those $25 anymore I'll take em back as they may get sold off. I do have a whole rack if you wanted them, no big deal either way.

I forgot I had them tbh, lol. Getting old is a bitch.
 

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Honestly, you COULD run with just the Samurais for both tables and be fine. Even at the highest point of the biggest cash day at S@P, there was less than $5k in play on 2 big-bet cash tables (at $.50/$1)

More $5s would be nice though for making sure players have lots of chips, and I can certainly understand wanting to get your other set in play as well. But when you consolidate down to 1 table, the SPs will cover you, trust me.
 

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And now, I've embarrassedly edited my posts, realizing these are Samurai Palace, not Matsui Zens... Duh...

I've had Matsui on the brain, lately.
 

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Honestly, you COULD run with just the Samurais for both tables and be fine. Even at the highest point of the biggest cash day at S@P, there was less than $5k in play on 2 big-bet cash tables (at $.50/$1)

More $5s would be nice though for making sure players have lots of chips, and I can certainly understand wanting to get your other set in play as well. But when you consolidate down to 1 table, the SPs will cover you, trust me.

I had thought about this. I wouldn't have near enough quarters. I only have 125. That won't work for two tables.
 

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I'd run one cash bank with both racks, but change up the chips whenever people move between tables.

Have people color-up at the table to avoid taking away workhorse chips. When converting at the bank, you can leave them with some cash, if they have odd amounts, or they can top up - switching tables is like buying into another game. That will help keep the new buy-in at round numbers, in case you've got all the smaller chips already in play.

Based on personal experience, this works very well..
 

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Honestly, you COULD run with just the Samurais for both tables and be fine. Even at the highest point of the biggest cash day at S@P, there was less than $5k in play on 2 big-bet cash tables (at $.50/$1)

More $5s would be nice though for making sure players have lots of chips, and I can certainly understand wanting to get your other set in play as well. But when you consolidate down to 1 table, the SPs will cover you, trust me.

This ^^^ Wondering what kinda of $.25/.50 game requires more than 6k bank, wow!

Strongly dislike more than one kinda of chip in play (although mixed sets are ok IMHO). As a host, you've got enough to worry about (food, etc...), and it's hard enough to have players switching back and forth, but to also have to chip them out each time? Sheesh! forgettaboutit.

Do the math. $6k divided by 20 players is $300 for each player ...assuming that each player will buy in multiple times (equally), each player has 3.75 buyins at their disposal. And even that math is flawed, because for people to rebuy, it means that some people are winning and not requiring rebuys. I can't imagine your game would require more than 3-4k. However, having the right breakdown is a completely different story.

Best of luck.

I had thought about this. I wouldn't have near enough quarters. I only have 125. That won't work for two tables.

I just read this post... And if you're going to use different chips at both tables, try to keep it to one denom that might float well across both tables. So maybe two different chips for quarters?
 

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All the cooking will be done prior to the cards flying. Once I start playing I'll be able to focus on the game at hand.

I'm not planning on mixing any chips. Main table will be the Samurai Palace chips and the secondary table will be the PCR's. I have mike's Paulson 25's, they will be used at that table.

If I have to move a player from one table to the next I will cash them out, and equal their cash out in large chips for the new table. Then they can make change as needed.

If I have to miss a few hands due to managing this its not that big of a deal.

I don't have enough quarters and ones to cover the break downs for two tables for everyone to have effective starting stacks.

Thanks for the suggestions. You guys have helped me realize any potential problems and come up with some fixes if needed.
 

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This ^^^ Wondering what kinda of $.25/.50 game requires more than 6k bank, wow!

Really? I have a 900 chip BCC Protege microcash set for 5¢/10¢ games with 200x 5¢, 300x 25¢, 200x $1, 100x $5, and I added 60x $25,000 and 40x $100,000 for chipping up and just to be sure I have enough in the bank (which now totals $5,500,785).
 

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Really? I have a 900 chip BCC Protege microcash set for 5¢/10¢ games with 200x 5¢, 300x 25¢, 200x $1, 100x $5, and I added 60x $25,000 and 40x $100,000 for chipping up and just to be sure I have enough in the bank (which now totals $5,500,785).

Um ok... If you ever get 5 million on the table in a 5c/10c game, I'll eat my words... Pics or it never happened.
:)
 

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Trihonda, I know my bank is good, as even you stated it's all about the breakdown
 

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I meant to update this and just forgot.

I ran two tables with one bank. One table used the Samurai Palace set and the secondary table used the PCR's. I used the SP 25's and 100's for all rebuys (both tables).

It only happened a couple of times. When someone came from the secondary table to the primary table (or vise versa) I would have someone at the table buy all the chips that were valued 5 and under. Then I would give them big denominations to take the new table.

Everything worked easy peasy. I didn't encounter any problems running two tables.

Most importantly the bank was perfect at the end of the night (just over 3k total for the two tables).
 

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Really? I have a 900 chip BCC Protege microcash set for 5¢/10¢ games with 200x 5¢, 300x 25¢, 200x $1, 100x $5, and I added 60x $25,000 and 40x $100,000 for chipping up and just to be sure I have enough in the bank (which now totals $5,500,785).


I would like to see how the game jumps from needing $5 chips to $25,000 chips. That would be pretty entertaining to watch, this must be an ace deucey tournament or something.
 
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