Matsui quality compared to hybrid ceramics (1 Viewer)

[Poppin92]

Hi guys , this is my first post ! I’m from Holland , and I’m a poker chip lover just like all of you .

I have a question , you can order a custom Matsui set if you want , pay some money and get high quality casino plastic chips as they state.
How do these chips handle , in European casinos they have mostly b&G chips and these I like very much although they are heavy (14 grams) my question is , how doest Matsui chips compare to b&g chips and how do they compare to sun fly hybrids like the Ascona , which I have and like but also dislikes some things about it , they are very light and slippery for the most time.

looking forward for some answers

thank you and greetings from holland

 

[GianThaMan]

Hi guys , this is my first post ! I’m from Holland , and I’m a poker chip lover just like all of you .

I have a question , you can order a custom Matsui set if you want , pay some money and get high quality casino plastic chips as they state.
How do these chips handle , in European casinos they have mostly b&G chips and these I like very much although they are heavy (14 grams) my question is , how doest Matsui chips compare to b&g chips and how do they compare to sun fly hybrids like the Ascona , which I have and like but also dislikes some things about it , they are very light and slippery for the most time.

looking forward for some answers

thank you and greetings from holland

Welcome! Matsui chips are heavier than ceramics, not as heavy as BG chips unless you go for heavyweight chips, but still rather heavy. They are a fair bit slipperier than BG chips, and much more slippery than 43mm Hybrids, but I can’t speak for 39mm hybrids like Asconas, which may be much more slippery. If you can shell out (a lot) more money, then you should go for Abbiatis, which feel better than BG chips in my opinion.

 

[Poppin92]

Welcome! Matsui chips are heavier than ceramics, not as heavy as BG chips unless you go for heavyweight chips, but still rather heavy. They are a fair bit slipperier than BG chips, and much more slippery than 43mm Hybrids, but I can’t speak for 39mm hybrids like Asconas, which may be much more slippery. If you can shell out (a lot) more money, then you should go for Abbiatis, which feel better than BG chips in my opinion.

Thank you !
So the inner ring decal chips are slippery ?
That’s not what I’m really looking for , I’m looking for a chip that’s like b&g in handling . The Matsui are already at a price range where I don’t want to pay more than that . So Abbiati is out of the question , maybe just try Matsui and maybe I like it .

 

[allforcharity]

You should not compare Matsui (high end plastic) to ceramics. Apples and oranges. You will need to get samples of both to compare and see which you like better.

If you like plastics, you should compare Matsui to B&G, Abbiati, and Bud Jones.

 

[Chipandchair]

Matsui are super slippery and heavier

 

[Poppin92]

You should not compare Matsui (high end plastic) to ceramics. Apples and oranges. You will need to get samples of both to compare and see which you like better.

If you like plastics, you should compare Matsui to B&G, Abbiati, and Bud Jones.

Yes but because I’m familiar with hybrid ceramics I want to know if matsui are a upgrade quality wise considering the price difference . But as you said how do matsui compare to b&g Abbiati and bud Jones ?

 

[Emitsu]

Does anyone know the minimum quantity you need to order from Matsui to get your own custom set?

 

[GianThaMan]

Does anyone know the minimum quantity you need to order from Matsui to get your own custom set?

There technically is no minimum, but there’s a 15% fee per chip that is under their 500 per denomination rule. They also have a $215 setup fee per decal design.

 

[Poppin92]

Does anyone know the minimum quantity you need to order from Matsui to get your own custom set?

There is no MOQ for matsui . But if you order less then 500 per domination you pay 15% extra for the total order . So that’s a good deal

 

[GianThaMan]

Yes but because I’m familiar with hybrid ceramics I want to know if matsui are a upgrade quality wise considering the price difference . But as you said how do matsui compare to b&g Abbiati and bud Jones ?

If I were you, I’d stick to ceramics/hybrids. Matsui are a bit better IMO, but I don’t think they’re worth the price difference. Getting some 43mm Sun-fly Hybrids would be a better way to spend your money, then you can save up for a while to get Abbiati chips.

 

[Poppin92]

There technically is no minimum, but there’s a 15% fee per chip that is under their 500 per denomination rule. They also have a $215 setup fee per decal design.

This also can be avoided if you have the domination written only in the ring centre. The setup fee per decal design only applies if you want the domination in the inlay . If you order chips with all the same inlay like a logo for example and the dominations in the inner ring . Then you will save a whole lot of money

 

[Emitsu]

There technically is no minimum, but there’s a 15% fee per chip that is under their 500 per denomination rule. They also have a $215 setup fee per decal design.

wow so it gets quite expensive to order something without a group buy

 

[warma]

I really like Matsuis, I have some Radisson Aruba 43mm chips and they feel great- I hear folks say they’re slippery, but I don’t feel it.My next set will be custom Matsuis or CPC.

After getting all excited about SunFlys, I was turned off once I. Hard to explain, but the feel was weird and distracting. I’ve also seen the noticeable misalignment with ceramic edge spots and the edge line.

(I do have a lovely B&G set, but you can’t custom order them.)

Grab some samples of each chip type from each manufacturer (e.g., Matsui has square and non-square edges) to help you see what you like.

 

[Poppin92]

I really like Matsuis, I have some Radisson Aruba 43mm chips and they feel great- I hear folks say they’re slippery, but I don’t feel it.My next set will be custom Matsuis or CPC.

After getting all excited about SunFlys, I was turned off once I. Hard to explain, but the feel was weird and distracting. I’ve also seen the noticeable misalignment with ceramic edge spots and the edge line.

(I do have a lovely B&G set, but you can’t custom order them.)

Grab some samples of each chip type from each manufacturer (e.g., Matsui has square and non-square edges) to help you see what you like.

And those square edges from matsui , do you must request them yourself when ordering ? Because I already designed my own custom chip set and everything now set and I must pay to proceed that’s is . But I definitely want square edges so I will request them myself . Thanks for letting me know

 

[GianThaMan]

And those square edges from matsui , do you must request them yourself when ordering ? Because I already designed my own custom chip set and everything now set and I must pay to proceed that’s is . But I definitely want square edges so I will request them myself . Thanks for letting me know

The square edges are Decal chips, whereas the beveled edges are inner-ring decal chips. For decal chips you can also choose between ABS and Nylon, (brighter + slipperier vs duller + less slippery).

 

[Poppin92]

The square edges are Decal chips, whereas the beveled edges are inner-ring decal chips. For decal chips you can also choose between ABS and Nylon, (brighter + slipperier vs duller + less slippery).

and inner ring decal chips , are these as slippery as the abs decal chips ?

 

[Pinball]

Does anyone know the minimum quantity you need to order from Matsui to get your own custom set?

20 per denomination is the minimum

 

[allforcharity]

Yes but because I’m familiar with hybrid ceramics I want to know if matsui are a upgrade quality wise considering the price difference . But as you said how do matsui compare to b&g Abbiati and bud Jones ?

Others have told me that Matsuis are by far the slipperiest of them all. The Bud Jones and Abbiati that I have feel very similar, but the Abbiatis are much heavier. I have no B&G to compare.

 

[Pinball]

The square edges are Decal chips, whereas the beveled edges are inner-ring decal chips. For decal chips you can also choose between ABS and Nylon, (brighter + slipperier vs duller + less slippery).

You can choose between sharp edges and beveled edges. Also for inner ring you can choose between ABS and Nylon

 

[Pinball]

wow so it gets quite expensive to order something without a group buy

The $215 is charged only once if you choose inner ring.

 

[Tommy]

Top notch video here. lol circa 2016

 

[BonScot]

Top notch video here. lol circa 2016

Need a group buy for the chip jabbing stick

 

[GianThaMan]

You can choose between sharp edges and beveled edges. Also for inner ring you can choose between ABS and Nylon

For inner-ring chips, you can only choose between ABS and Nylon for the secondary and tercentenary colors, the base has to be nylon. As for sharp v beveled edges, I know they don’t offer truly sharp edges for the inner-ring chips, possibly they are somewhat sharper, but not to the extent of a Decal line chip.

and inner ring decal chips , are these as slippery as the abs decal chips ?

Generally, I’ve noticed that ABS decal chips are more slippery than Nylon chips, but if you’re going with Matsui, you might as well just do ABS, as they’re both quite slippery.

 

[Poppin92]

For inner-ring chips, you can only choose between ABS and Nylon for the secondary and tercentenary colors, the base has to be nylon. As for sharp v beveled edges, I know they don’t offer truly sharp edges for the inner-ring chips, possibly they are somewhat sharper, but not to the extent of a Decal line chip.

Generally, I’ve noticed that ABS decal chips are more slippery than Nylon chips, but if you’re going with Matsui, you might as well just do ABS, as they’re both quite slippery.

Hmm explain this . When u are using the designer tool , how can the nylon be the base . I don’t quite understand what u mean

 

[GianThaMan]

Hmm explain this . When u are using the designer tool , how can the nylon be the base . I don’t quite understand what u mean

Those kinds of things cannot be shown in the editor, you have to specifically request them from your Representative. Are you planning decal chips or inner-ring decal chips?

 

[Poppin92]

Those kinds of things cannot be shown in the editor, you have to specifically request them from your Representative. Are you planning decal chips or inner-ring decal chips?

these are the chips I made and these are the final results . I will add some other dominations in the next order , but for now this is what I need the most . I just hope they will handle well and cutting barrels would be easy . If they are really slippery then this will be a problem .

 

[warma]

Per the North American and European Matsui reps:

ABS is is used mostly for the Coin Chips so it makes the chip lighter, where Nylon gives the chips it’s weight.

Recently we’ve made a few chips where the 2nd or 3rd color is ABS that would be the only difference.

 

[warma]

Two Matsui edge types- the blue decal value chip is the square edge.

L to R: B&G, Matsui inner ring value CC., Matsui decal value CC.310-J, Abbiati, SunFly pollyinno

Edit: corrected the 43mm Matsui number

 

[Poppin92]

Two Matsui edge types- the blue decal value chip is the square edge.
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L to R: B&G, Matsui inner ring value CC.610-A, Matsui decal value CC.310-J, Abbiati, SunFly pollyinno
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Thank you for this great comparison . Which of the matsui is more slippery , the inner ring of the decal value . Or are they about the same ? I have the Ascona and these I find hard to cut barrels with as they are really light and the edges feel really thin . On the other hand b&g chips are the best I’ve handled , and I just hope that matsui would somewhat handle like b&g

 

[GianThaMan]

these are the chips I made and these are the final results . I will add some other dominations in the next order , but for now this is what I need the most . I just hope they will handle well and cutting barrels would be easy . If they are really slippery then this will be a problem .

Cutting a barrel is easy with them, the only issue is if the table shakes too much or you push over a stack, they can fly everywhere. They don’t have any warps or inconsistencies, so the only real issue is the slipperiness. I wouldn’t say they’re too similar to BG, as BG are a bit more stable, but they are definitely playable.