$40 is different....
Limit Sets, Limit Sets, MORE Limit Sets!!! (3 Viewers)
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This is super cool. Love it!!
Awwwww yeahhhhh. Time to start milling!
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
...and a wise way to keep those cursed $50 bill buy-ins in the player's pockets.
I played only once Limit Holdem Live and I have to say it was the best session I played in a Casino. A lot of table talk. Loose play. And for a microstake player like me playing SmallBet/BigBet 2$/4$ was way more comfy than NL200.
Nanook
Full House
not a great pic, but here is one I found that was from a while back. The guy to my right had just won a pretty big pot. Not sure why I even took or saved the pic, but this is not all that unusual in our game:
BonScot
Straight Flush
Love it!not a great pic, but here is one I found that was from a while back. The guy to my right had just won a pretty big pot. Not sure why I even took or saved the pic, but this is not all that unusual in our game:
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
sadly, a pot that big in one of my games would take 5 minutes for the player to stack, with everyone waiting for them to take their action, which is long enough for story time to break out... and we would be lucky to get in 20 hands before the night was done. 
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Nanook
Full House
Are we the only 2?Good to see another Canterbury Park fan on here @Nanook .
I miss these games. I went a couple times post covid, just not the same. But I have certainly contributed my stack picks to the "show us your live stacks" thread.
I noticed your avatar/screenname and assumed you probably made it to Canterbury at least occasionally. I haven't been since they 1st closed in Mar. I am pretty sure I was there the day before they closed the 1st tme and then not since. I just assumed with the masks, plexiglass and the 6 max that it wouldn't be the same and sounds like something I don't need in my life. I decided pretty much right away that I would wait until this whole mess is done with and we can go back to playing without all the non sense
Chris Flynn
Two Pair
Canterbury is my go to spot for Limit HE and Tournaments. Haven’t made it there since January due to COVID. Looking forward to getting back post vaccinations!not a great pic, but here is one I found that was from a while back. The guy to my right had just won a pretty big pot. Not sure why I even took or saved the pic, but this is not all that unusual in our game:
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
hard to tell if he won a big pot a breathed heavy on his chips!
slippery little bastards!
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JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
hard to tell if he won a big pot a breathed heavy in his chips!
That is the paradox of these Bud Jones chips, as one who once handled these regularly.
They can be slick, but at the same time, the suction effect is real and always at the worst time when trying to cut 8 chips to bet.
But I do love them. Three different brands are represented in the Twin Cities area cardrooms. Canterbury Park has been around the longest and has rocked these bud jones since their opening in 2000.
Treasure Island opened around 2003 and went for Paulson. However, they never took care of their white chips and they look like crap. Why I hate white chips to this day.
Running Aces opened I think around 2006 and they rock the Chipcos.
What don’t you like about the TI? Glad everyone has different opinions but just curious since I actually really like them.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
I like the poker room just fine. It's not particularly close so I almost never go there. I really don't even mind the design of the chips. The white chips just showed their dirt really bad after about a year and that is why I dislike white chips in general, nothing particular about TI.
This was the last time we were there, 2 years ago.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/show-us-your-live-stacks.3808/page-113#post-672717
Ahhh we got our wires crossed here. I assumed you were only talking about the chip below. Pretty much forget everything else about the place including that it’s still a casino when I gaze at this beauty lol
Nanook
Full House
These Bud Jones chips stack really nice. They are super flat and stack in nice neat, even and stable stacks. Lots of people including me go 50 high regularly. Try that with 20 yr worn Paulsons...hard to tell if he won a big pot a breathed heavy on his chips!
slippery little bastards!
For a home game I would take Paulsons all day long, but for a card room I think I actually prefer these. They never wear unevenly so stacks are MUCH more stable & they don't accumulate the gunk that is so often seen on Paulsons. Another thing is that 20 yrs in they still look good. The label on the original ones are a bit faded but other than that they still look way better than 20yr old Paulsons. Add to that, they are considerably cheaper than Paulsons for the card room to buy. I think they are very compelling for a card room.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
1. Bud Jones chips cost more than Paulsons for the card room to buy. 2-3x more if I recall. They are marketed as a budget friendly option though, because they have a longer lifespan.
2. Never seen a Paulson wear unevenly to the point they didn't stack, and I've played in some bicycle-tire limit games.
3. Bud Jones chips resist gunk better than any other chip, which is why I also prefer them in casinos. No disagreement here, when you're right, you're right.
Nanook
Full House
1. Bud Jones chips cost more than Paulsons for the card room to buy. 2-3x more if I recall. They are marketed as a budget friendly option though, because they have a longer lifespan.
2. Never seen a Paulson wear unevenly to the point they didn't stack, and I've played in some bicycle-tire limit games.
3. Bud Jones chips resist gunk better than any other chip, which is why I also prefer them in casinos. No disagreement here, when you're right, you're right.
Nanook
Full House
Point#11. Bud Jones chips cost more than Paulsons for the card room to buy. 2-3x more if I recall. They are marketed as a budget friendly option though, because they have a longer lifespan.
2. Never seen a Paulson wear unevenly to the point they didn't stack, and I've played in some bicycle-tire limit games.
3. Bud Jones chips resist gunk better than any other chip, which is why I also prefer them in casinos. No disagreement here, when you're right, you're right.
I am pretty sure you are wrong on point #1, but I will find out for sure. I know 100% for sure that a few yrs ago (less than 5) that our card room was buying these exact Bud Jones chips for less than 50c ea. Once COVID goes away and I go back, I'll ask the guy that buys them again.
Point #2
We may have to agree to disagree here but.....
I have played dozens of times in both the Bellagio in Vegas and Oceans 11 just north of San Diego in Oceanside CA and both of those places have Paulsons that have seen yrs of action. It is a serious challenge to stack chips higher than 30 high in either place. If you stack 30 high in 3 total stacks in a little triangle (90 total chips) you will have a mess very quickly. Stacks are extremely unstable and wobbly.
I have played well over 1000 limit sessions with lots and lots of BJ chips and I can an easily do this same thing with BJ's 50 high and have no issues whatsoever.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
This picture was taken at Canterbury Park at least 14 years ago. (The room layout was two renovations ago with the "sideways table 5" pictured.)
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/poker-set-security.46025/page-2#post-970711
(Stick tap @shorticus )
If I were to guess he is at least 200 chips high here.
The yellow chips are twos, by the way. My guess is this is 8/16 limit, but 6/12 limit was spread at the time as well.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/poker-set-security.46025/page-2#post-970711
(Stick tap @shorticus )
If I were to guess he is at least 200 chips high here.
The yellow chips are twos, by the way. My guess is this is 8/16 limit, but 6/12 limit was spread at the time as well.
BonScot
Straight Flush
There’s absolutely no way I could be there and not knock them over
I might have to do an elaborate Inspector Cleaseau type pratfall to bump the table and make it look accidental but those chips are going down
And the guy who stacked them would deserve it...
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I was a part of the boat-chip buys. Bud Jones were discussed early on, but "Team Clay" won out. Between the beauty of the chips and the difference in cost, it was easy to side with the Paulson lovers. That said, The Boat Chips discussed were BJ v7s. Canterbury's appear to be BJ S2s, so there might be a price difference there. Also, the prices may have changed drastically if they bought the BJ chips 20 years ago.
I can see where well worn Pauslons would get wobbly in triangle formation. I was thinking straight stacks. It's not uneven wear from left to right of the chip - it's uneven wear as the edges wear more than the center. Since BJ chips show very little wear, they would stack better, though they would lose their "suction" effect at the triangle stacking points.
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Nanook
Full House
I think for a home game chip or fantasy set the Paulsons are the better too. I was just pointing out that Bud Jones chips are nice too and have some advantages
There could certainly be a pricing difference between various BJ styles etc. However my pricing knowledge is much more recent than 20yrs ago. They buy replacement chips on a regular basis and not only that about 5 yrs ago or so I was discussing a possible $3 chip for a 12/24 game and I spoke to the guy that does all the buying of chips and cards etc for the room about pricing.
Like I said, I'll check once it is again possible.
Nanook
Full House
Check out that pic!
I would like to see anyone try that with Paulsons.... NO WAY!
That was almost certainly an 8/16 game. I think that is 5 high on the bottom. 20 on the next level, 100 on the next one, 50 up next and 20 at the top for 195 high. If I am right that is right about 2770 chips.
The most I have seen is 40 racks
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Nanook
Full House
I'm not talking about mint or even lightly played home game Paulsons. I am talking about the what is commonly seen in card rooms after the chips have seen various numbers of years of constant play. You know, the gunky ones with edges that look like mountain bike tires with absolutely no cross hatching left at all.
With Paulson chips like I describe, you would never make it 50 high without the whole thing tumbling down.
I'm prettty sure @Poker Zombie is correct. The big budget Bud Jones chips lines from GPI, on average, do cost more than chips from their Paulson line. Because of their durability, they have less turnover, so GPI tries to make all their profit up front because they won't make as much with future replacements (if the casino reorders the exact same chip, anyway).
Now, I'm pretty sure their R4 roulette line is probably cheaper than their value chip line, because of their simplicity and less need for security features.
Nanook
Full House
Maybe you guys are right, idk. I just know what I was told by someone that I know a) knows and b) would have no reason to be untruthful with me.
Is it possible that you guys got different pricing than an actual card room would get?
Just thinking about the manufacturing process of Paulson compression chips vs slugged plastic & labeled BJ chips. The manufacturing process for the BJ chips can't be too much different than what it is for the slugged plastic China made chips, right?
I think it depends on the line of chips.
Prior to the merger of Bud Jones with the other casino companies, they used to put out all sorts of lines of chips. Some were the really nice lines that casinos would shell out good money for, and others were cheaper, low quality lines that were meant to serve the unsophisticated home market (but that wanted a custom option). The latter chips were probably of comparable quality (or even worse) to contemporary slugged plastics, whether from China or anywhere else.
GPI has long gotten rid of the inexpensive Bud Jones lines because they no longer want to be in the home market. They have kept the premium lines going, and I'm sure those get a lot more detail in design and composition. They certainly feel a lot different than budget plastics. There may also be better finishing processes like milling or buffing to get certain esthetics like straighter- or beveled-edging, etc.
I can say for certain that among the S2s I have, there are even variations in the rolling edge patterns, i.e. not every dot or diamond or dash is exactly the same size around the chip.
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