Label Mockup - Feedback and/or suggestions

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"EASY MONEY POKER CLUB" label. Suggestions or feedback appreciated. I've always liked the BCC Grand Island chips because the denom was BIG. Yeah, I'm in my 50's and my crew is too. So denom visibility is a big plus. I kept that concept and developed the idea to suit my group with some little local cues thrown in.
I should also explain why I'm using full out denoms with decimal points. This will be my only set and will double as tournament chips. We'll just ignore the decimal points and we've got a T 25/50 starting blinds tourney set.
 
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My first gut reaction is that the font makes it look way to busy; the denom overlayed on the dollar sign already makes it visually complex, and the FDLs are visually detailed, so a complex font looks to busy.

Then I thought, maybe it's looking too busy because of the watermarks. I understand protecting your content, but it's making it hard to judge the image.
 

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Thanks. Yeah I thought the watermarks block the view too much. I'll try to post one without them. It's just that you work on an idea for hours and you hate to see it copied and pasted.. not that that would happen here.... ;)
 

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Agreed it looks busy. I think you are off to a good start here. If you want to use a decimal point I think maybe a two dimensional dollar sign faded out a little more (like a watermark in itself) might help here. My gut reaction was to tell you to lose the decimal point before I read that you wanted it and seem to be using it instead of a dollar sign. I think it would clean up alot if you just went without it and went with a tourney style denom (no $ signs/no decimals) and basically just counted the values as cents for your cash game. But they are your chips and you need to like them not me.
 

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Ok Thanks to all. Will break it down and look at it further. Maybe try to simplify. Still open to more suggestions.
 

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Another attempt at a label design, More comments/suggestions welcomed.

Took the original concept and played around with it. So is this one an improvement or worse than the original?
 

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Can you keep the denoms big enough to see while ditching the ".00"? I think that would make things a bit less busy?
 

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Can you keep the denoms big enough to see while ditching the ".00"? I think that would make things a bit less busy?

Agreed here but this will be a dual use set. Cash and Tourney. I'm using the denoms this way so the tourney denoms will have full numbers. It just seems better to ingore a decimal point than to mentally add zeros. I'm thinking of the other players here, not myself. I do use .25 and .50 chips for cash games (don't make me explain this one) so the $25 chip will definitey get confused with the .25 for the tourneys. I guess in other words, I'd rather have too much than too little: extra zeros on the denoms instead of constantly telling people to add imaginary zeros. I could do it the conventional way, but I've got my other set up for sale and I just don't think I can afford to keep 2 sets of expensive chips. I'd go back to china clays (which are very good) but I can't bring myself to do it. It's gotta be "the good stuff", so I'll compromise to keep one good set for dual use. Hope this makes sense.
Thinking more about it, I guess I could make the 25.00 chip into a 20.00 chip (2000 for tourneys). Then there would be no confusion between the .25 and the $25. Gonna kick it around a bit more. Just decided to try a different label for each side of the chip. One side tourney, one cash. After all, the players should become famiarized with the COLORS of the chips as being a certain denom anyway, right?

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Dunno if it's been already addressed in this thread, but another way to craft a dual-purpose cash/tournament set is to use these written denomination values: 5/25/50/100/500/2000/10000 (50 added for your purposes only). Tournaments use the values as written, and cash values are in pennies (essentially adding an imaginary decimal point). So for cash those would be 5c, 25c, 50c, 100c (or $1), 500c (or $5), etc. This method works (and looks) much better, imo.

On a related note, it seems more than a little silly to have a currency symbol as the background on a chip that will be used as a tournament chip (where chips do not represent real money), and you are expected to ignore both the decimal point AND the dollar sign. Srsly? In the above example, you don't have to ignore anything, ever.

Parting shot: I think you are making a huge mistake in creating a dual-purpose set to begin with. Asking for big financial trouble, my friend -- the problems are well-documented. I wouldn't do it. Don't make your "only set" one that you will end up regretting....
 

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The dollar sign in the background is supposed to go with the theme "Easy Money". I'll have to give some thought to a dual use set. I've owned many sets and had cash and tourney sets at one time. When the inevitable financial crunches come, I look at the two sets and have to sell one. $600 worth of chips just sitting there in the second set is really silly for those of us without financial abundance. Suggestion for dropping the decimal point is a good one. Have to ponder it as I use the chips for more cash games than tourneys. Thanks for the honest critique.

Dunno if it's been already addressed in this thread, but another way to craft a dual-purpose cash/tournament set is to use these written denomination values: 5/25/50/100/500/2000/10000 (50 added for your purposes only). Tournaments use the values as written, and cash values are in pennies (essentially adding an imaginary decimal point). So for cash those would be 5c, 25c, 50c, 100c (or $1), 500c (or $5), etc. This method works (and looks) much better, imo.

On a related note, it seems more than a little silly to have a currency symbol as the background on a chip that will be used as a tournament chip (where chips do not represent real money), and you are expected to ignore both the decimal point AND the dollar sign. Srsly? In the above example, you don't have to ignore anything, ever.

Parting shot: I think you are making a huge mistake in creating a dual-purpose set to begin with. Asking for big financial trouble, my friend -- the problems are well-documented. I wouldn't do it. Don't make your "only set" one that you will end up regretting....
 

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Regarding the decimal point and denoms...
Before I saw BG Dave's post, I was going to make the same suggestion regarding the decimal point and denoms. I've used $100, $500, $1000, etc. casino chips for $1, $5, $10, etc. in small cash games numerous times without any complaints or confusion among players. To be fair, though, I haven't gone back and forth between cash game and tournament with the SAME set of chips, so I can't comment on that. I'm still a relative noob compared to guys like Dave, and I haven't come across the well-documented problems of a dual purpose set, but I trust that Dave is correct. However, I also admit to feeling a bit dense right now... I know I must be missing something obvious, but I can't think of the big financial trouble it might cause, unless it came from someone accidentally betting 100 times more than intended during a tourney.

Regarding the "busy-ness" that numerous people have commented upon...
Some of this is obviously a matter of personal taste. However, one potential problem that is NOT a matter of personal taste is when we look at large high resolution graphics mockups of things that are going to be printed much smaller in real life (not just a problem with poker chip graphics). So, I'm not going to comment as to whether *I* thinks it's too busy, but I strongly recommend that you view your artwork multiple times for extended periods AT ACTUAL SIZE on screen or in print, i.e. at 7/8" diameter (or whatever your inlay size is). Sometimes we think a graphic looks awesome in the large mockup, only to find that in real life it looks too busy, and/or that it loses its pizazz when the tiny detail is lost when printed/viewed in actual size (physically smaller than the big mockups we've been viewing). I hope that makes sense the way I worded it.

Regarding the two mockups, and the dollar sign and the FDL...
Overall, I much prefer your second mockup. One thing you might consider: Given that you use a dollar sign in "EA$Y MONEY", perhaps you could re-capture some local Louisiana flavor by replacing the big dollar sign behind the denom with a large fleur de lis. If preferred, you could also replace the red asterisks on the second mock up with dollar signs. I only lived there for 7+ years, but IN LOUISIANA, I think the fleur de lis would be a stronger tie to your "Easy Money" name, and would be a bigger hit with your local crowd. You might even want to change the name to "Big Easy Money"! :D Of course, Hank Hill over here in Texas (where I am now) wouldn't understand a bit of that! :rolleyes:

For even more local flavor, perhaps you should replace the black of the outer ring with K&B purple! (OK, so it's "Rite Aid" now... whatever.)
 

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  • If you're using for cash and tourney, use tourney values. They're much easier to interpret. 25 is a quarter 100 is a dollar 500 is $5. Easy game.
  • The dollar sign graphic is the poops imo. It looks like a gif from the Internet in 1999. How bout a nice big 'EZ' in the background, black n grey maybe.
  • Oh god red font is the worst. Don't use red font on anything ever. It's hard to see and looks pewpy.
 

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This version looks much better, however it would all depend on the chips they're going on too. Lookin good!
 

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Thanks again for the comments, folks. This will end up being a work in progress. I think I'm going back into the tank on this one for just a short while.

Ski, very good advice and yes, I did view the labels smaller size and even printed out actual size versions on paper to put on the chips. 7 years in Louisiana was long enough.. you know your 'Nawlins stuff :)

200Motels, interesting suggestion on the "EZ". I may try that concept. I'm just a little confused about the red font? It's only for the denoms and I've seen plenty of casino chips with red denoms.
 

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In the OP, I mentioned that my cash crew is all middle-aged players. Visibility is a key issue. Also as Ski mentioned, when you shrink an image down to 7/8 of an inch it can look tiny. I think you are referring to proportions and I get that. The visibility and "easy to read" factor gets priority.
Thanks.
 

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Thanks to the comments here, I've scrapped the original idea and came up with a new one. I'm not going to post my mock-up here. I will post pictures of the completed set once the chips are labelled. :)
 

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Would like to see pics when you make it. Curious on what you decided on final design? What matters of course is if you like it :).
 
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