KK in a tourney

snooptodd

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Our hero is the table chipleader (301k), and is dealt KK in an e-mail poker tournament (yes, you read that right), where players act by responding to prompts sent via e-mail. Buy-in was $0, and first place wins geek bragging rights. Tournament started with 755 players, there are about 150 players remaining.

UTG (205k stack) limps for 4k, Hero is next to act and bumps it to 12.5k. Cutoff (41k) shoves all but 600 of his stack (obviously send the command "POT" rather than "JAM"), the SB (246k) calls, then UTG pops it to 100k.

What now?
 

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Uh how do you get random cards via e-mail? If you can be assured it's not a set-up, jam of course.

It's called the WRGPT, you can find it if you search online. I've pasted what the e-mails you get look like below - they look a little nicer in your inbox, but you get the idea. You simply send back a command and it then e-mails the table with the action. You can take advanced action which speeds things up -- for instance, if you're in middle position and are dealt 7-2 and you want to fold, you can just send a "FOLD" command and it will do that for you once it's your turn to act. Hands typically take about a day (you have to declare a 9-hour period for Monday-Friday as office hours, and if action is on you and it takes you more than four office hours to respond, you're folded), though sometimes you end up at a table where everyone is very responsive and you can get 3-4 in a day.

This is the third or fourth year I've played in this tournament, and it's by far the deepest run I've made. The tournament started in mid-November, and it probably won't be over until June or July.

---- E-mail that tells you what your hole cards are -----

! Table d13, Hand 172, Day 115

! Your hole cards are Kh Kd


This table's current status can be found at http://hands.wrgpt.org/d/d13.html

TOURNEY INFORMATION

NOTICE:

Good luck.

---- E-mail that tells you what the action is ----

! Table d13, Hand 172, Day 116

! GunsNRoses calls
! raster846 folds
! Johnny Ice is next to act, $36000 to call
! Unlimited raises
! Pot size: $106500
! Next timeout set for Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:05 PST
! Betting round: 1
! Board: ? ? ? ? ?
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
|#| Name |Bankroll| Action |Status|Pot#|Pot Size|
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
1| Jay Usher | 219150 | 600 |folded| | |
2| Don Kirkpatrick | 88400 | 600 |folded| | |
3| Jonne Pistol | 600 | 40600 | | | |
4|D Krushinski | 86500 | 600 |folded| | |
5| GunsNRoses | 205475 | 40600 | | | |
6| raster846 | 47500 | 4600 |folded| | |
7|> Johnny Ice | 200250 | 4600 | | | |
8| Aaron Todd | 288075 | 13100 | | | |
9| Morgan Kan | 160800 | 600 |folded| | |
10| Lip | 163200 | 600 |folded| | |
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+


This table's current status can be found at http://hands.wrgpt.org/d/d13.html

TOURNEY INFORMATION

NOTICE:

Good luck.
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I know I shouldn't knock anything before I try it but I can't imagine having enough patience to play in a STT online tourney that spans months.

Maybe it's a good way to kill time during the day? As usual, if you and your group enjoy it that's all that matters :)
 

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I usually bust out after a couple weeks because I get impatient and just jam some sort of suited connector, but this year I've been trying to play well. It really only takes about 3-4 minutes a day. You get a prompt in your inbox, you respond and get back to work. There used to be a ton of big-name poker nerds that played in this thing (Chris Ferguson and Andy Bloch, for instance), but now it's mostly wanna-be poker nerds like me.
 

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wtf email poker

It's an old tradition, started out of the USEnet newsgroup rec.gambling.poker, involving a lot of very good players (and BARGErs). This the the 24th year of WRGPT.

Oh, and sometimes significant side bets. ;)

See http://www.wrgpt.org/, or wrgpt on Facebook.
 
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No villain reads?

I am folding without special information. [if hero is bored, jamming is fine but if Hero is having fun he should fold and wait]

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80% of the field is gone. It is unlikely that there is anyone left playing like the first blind level of a pokerstars play money tournament.

I am assuming this type of action is quite rare. If the table is playing really LAGgy with creative play the Hero needs to Jam.

UTG limped / four-bet. Just exactly what kind of hand do we expect out of UTG? Keep in mind that this hand is going to showdown since the 3-better is essentially all-in so UTG is not doing a fancy squeeze play. {if we had a special villain read on UTG maybe we could widen his range, but an ABC player is showing AA/KK maybe AK the vast majority of the time}

We can't totally ignore the 3-bettor, but the side pot will be much bigger so Hero can focus on UTG but keeping in mind SB might participate. This is not how UTG had to see it - he is focused on 3-bettor vs UTG's hand heads up as much as how he will do vs Hero's range and SB.

Just call me chicken, I am not that skilled at tournament play -=- DrStrange
 

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Sure he could have aces. He could also have queens, jacks, and ak. Or he could be trying to ISO the all-in with any two cards. Sorry but I'm never folding kings here, and if he does have aces, then good game sir.

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DrStrange, more like DrNit, amirite?

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Forgot to add even if his range is limited to AA, KK, and AK, there are six combos of AA, and Eight of AK (and 1 of KK obv). Get the monies in there.
 

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So truth be told, I acted before I saw that the UTG player had raised, sending in a JAM command when I saw the SB had called, then went to bed. I was more than likely going to jam no matter what, but definitely would have paused a bit if I'd seen the raise. If he jams there it's an instant call, in my mind ... the raise to half his stack (leaving just 25 BB behind) just seems way too obvious. If he was trying to scare people out, he would have jammed.

As it turns out, I wasn't up against just one pair of aces, but actually two, as the SB was slow playing aces as well. The cutoff had one of my outs with K-T. But I suppose if you're going to get it in with KK against AA, it may as well be against two people holding aces with a chance to knock out three players and take the tournament chip lead.

Down to about 14BB now, so we'll see if I can run it up. Full HH below.

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! History of this hand:
! 03/04/15 18:53:45! Dealing a new hand
! 03/04/15 18:53:45! Everyone antes $600
! 03/04/15 18:53:45! GunsNRoses blinds $2000
! 03/04/15 18:53:45! raster846 blinds $4000
! 03/04/15 19:22:23! Johnny Ice calls
! 03/04/15 19:22:23! Aaron Todd raises $8500
! 03/05/15 00:34:01! Morgan Kan folds
! 03/05/15 00:34:01! Lip folds
! 03/05/15 07:12:35! Jay Usher folds
! 03/05/15 07:12:35! Don Kirkpatrick folds
! 03/05/15 16:06:58! Jonne Pistol raises $27500
! 03/05/15 17:31:09! Krushinski folds
! 03/05/15 17:37:31! GunsNRoses calls
! 03/05/15 17:37:31! raster846 folds
! 03/05/15 21:21:57! Johnny Ice raises $100250
! 03/05/15 21:21:57! Aaron Todd raises $160325 and is all in
! 03/05/15 21:32:23! Jonne Pistol calls - side pot
! 03/05/15 21:39:18! GunsNRoses calls - side pot
_____________________________________________________________________________

! Well this is going to be interesting...
! (dealer suppressed lines starting with '>' or ':')
! -- Johnny Ice --
_____________________________________________________________________________

! 03/05/15 21:39:18! Johnny Ice calls - side pot

! 03/05/15 21:39:18! Pot right ($800900), flopping/dealing/drawing cards
! 03/05/15 21:39:18! 4 players, 4 all in
! 03/05/15 21:39:18! Flopped cards: 10c 4c 2d
! 03/05/15 21:39:18! Flopped card: 2h
! 03/05/15 21:39:18! Flopped card: 3c
! Hand over, current board is: 10c 4c 2d 2h 3c
! Jonne Pistol has: 10h Kc
! GunsNRoses has: As Ah
! Johnny Ice has: Ad Ac
! Aaron Todd has: Kh Kd
! Pot 1: uncalled $55100 returned to Aaron Todd
! Pot 2: GunsNRoses wins $82450 with Two Pair (A A 2 2 10)
! Pot 3: GunsNRoses wins $245475 with Two Pair (A A 2 2 10)
! Pot 3: Johnny Ice wins $245475 with Two Pair (A A 2 2 10)
! Pot 4: GunsNRoses wins $86200 with Two Pair (A A 2 2 10)
! Pot 4: Johnny Ice wins $86200 with Two Pair (A A 2 2 10)
 

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Theoretically it's a fold, realistically I've never folded kk pre and I'm not sure that's the hand where I would try it out.
 

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Theoretically it's a fold, realistically I've never folded kk pre and I'm not sure that's the hand where I would try it out.

I've done it twice, both times in cash play against a nitty opponent who 4b-shoved. Both times I was right.

The other 8 million times I've run KK into AA, I never considered folding.
 

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I did it once, and I was wrong. Considered it one other time against a complete nit, but it was only like $150 more and I was in for $100 or so. He did have the aces. I got people to lay down kings in cash games three times pre, and both twice they were wrong.

I think in order for me to really consider folding kings it would have to be a rare combo of a super nitty opponent and two super deep stacks. Or maybe main event money bubble and I'm covered. Maybe.
 

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Heavy action and UTG villain who limped then was able to make it 100k, half his stack, pf. You have 12.5k invested. If there was a case for folding kk pf, this would be it and count yourself lucky due to all the action. Short stacks are getting it in of course but utg has 50bb. Min hand for him is AK imo. Did you time out in email? [emoji12]

Tough spot. I'd prolly shove and puke.
 

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For what it's worth, I've managed to rebound from this hand and now sit in 17th with 78 players remaining. We're officially "in the money" ...
 

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Down to 36 players, I'm in third chip position thanks to this hand.

! History of this hand:
! 04/29/15 03:06:53! Dealing a new hand
! 04/29/15 03:06:53! Everyone antes $3000
! 04/29/15 03:06:53! Zipper blinds $10000
! 04/29/15 03:06:53! Axel Foley blinds $20000
! 04/29/15 05:59:39! Aaron Todd raises $20000
! 04/29/15 11:34:19! Fooka folds
! 04/29/15 11:34:19! Pete Nerozzi folds
! 04/29/15 11:34:19! AngryPuppy is on vacation and folds
! 04/29/15 11:34:19! Regis folds
! 04/29/15 11:34:19! BronzeDodger folds
! 04/29/15 16:05:02! Zipper folds
! 04/29/15 16:06:21! Axel Foley raises $80000
! 04/30/15 03:31:18! Aaron Todd raises $414675 and is all in
! 04/30/15 08:11:08! Axel Foley calls

! 04/30/15 08:11:08! Pot right ($1103350), flopping/dealing/drawing cards
! 04/30/15 08:11:08! 2 players, 1 all in
! 04/30/15 08:11:08! Flopped cards: 5c Kc 4s
! 04/30/15 08:11:08! Flopped card: 6c
! 04/30/15 08:11:08! Flopped card: Qc
! Hand over, current board is: 5c Kc 4s 6c Qc
! Axel Foley has: Ad 8c
! Aaron Todd has: 9d 9c
! Aaron Todd wins $1103350 (net $565675) with Club Flush (K Q 9 6 5)
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
|#| Name |Bankroll| Action |Status|Pot#|Pot Size|
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
1| Regis | 688725 | | | | |
2| BronzeDodger |1078375 | | | | |
4|D Zipper | 307000 | | | | |
5|> Axel Foley | 469375 | | | | |
6| Aaron Todd |1103350 | | | | |
7| Fooka | 875775 | | | | |
8| Pete Nerozzi | 712050 | | | | |
9|V AngryPuppy | 94350 | |<Gone>| | |
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
! 36 players left in the tournament, 0 tables down to six players
! A new hand will be dealt shortly

We redrew for seats one hand earlier, and I four-bet jammed my 20 BB stack with AK on the first (wasn't called), so I think Axel Foley didn't give me much credit for a real hand when I did it again.

This is my fourth go-round in the WRGPT. In order to make up for my previous "buy-ins" I'll need to finish in the top-27. ("Payouts" for remaining places listed below, based on $10,000 "buy-in".)

1: $1,452,008
2: $ 895,158
3: $ 659,934
4: $ 491,865
5: $ 371,494
6: $ 284,229
7: $ 220,196
8: $ 172,715
9: $ 137,141
10-12: $ 110,207
13-16: $ 89,661
16-19: $ 73,834
19-21: $ 61,492
22-24: $ 51,836
25-27: $ 44,213
28-30: $ 38,115
31-33: $ 33,251
34-36: $ 29,330

 

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Ah, I see BronzeDodger at your table -- an old nemesis. :(
 
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