Kems Out of Stock (1 Viewer)

[edwardstarcraft]

We have a limited quantity of Bridge size jumbo remaining and that's it:

https://spinettisgaming.com/products/kem-arrow-black-gold-bridge-size?_pos=3&_sid=d3d66ac68&_ss=r

https://spinettisgaming.com/product...green-bridge-size?_pos=2&_sid=d3d66ac68&_ss=r

@Spinettis Gaming Any idea why Kems are so hard to find lately?

Yea, here they are in stock:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Modiano-...1b-a256-d02b1e218078&pd_rd_i=B0017V7P54&psc=1

About $37 in USD shipped to US.

• Made from 100% Acetate (as Original KEMs)

Does this mean the new Platinums will use the same card stock as KEM? (ie prone to warping)

They're not in the US Amazon anymore But I can see them still having stock elsewhere, even if discontinued.

 

[Spinettis Gaming]

Aren't they right here on their website? However, they are $5 more a setup:

https://www.kem.com/

 

[edwardstarcraft]

Aren't they right here on their website? However, they are $5 more a setup:

https://www.kem.com/

That's a 3rd party distributor: https://www.kem.com/ABUS.html

I don't really care enough to link to different poker store websites but at many of the popular ones on this forum, they're sold out, including Amazon (it's a 3rd party that's selling it at the inflated price now).

 

[davefr]

@Spinettis Gaming Any idea why Kems are so hard to find lately?


They're not in the US Amazon anymore But I can see them still having stock elsewhere, even if discontinued.

They must be new production because the box has brand new artwork. I wonder if these could be made in the same factory as KEM? Is Modiano part of the Cartamundi /USPCC empire?

 

[JMC9389]

They must be new production because the box has brand new artwork. I wonder if these could these be made in the same factory as KEM? Is Modiano part of the Cartamundi /USPCC empire?

No. Modiano is their own entity. DaVinci is the only subcompany of Modiano.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Any idea why Kems are so hard to find lately?

Climate change, they're all

 

[wickedwonka121]

I love cards. Started collecting years ago, different prints on paper stock. I am new to the different kinds of plastic. Had kem paisleys for something like 8 years before they warped on me. I think i left them in my trailer. So my fault. I'm surprised that copag don't get much love. Maybe because I don't run a game every week like I would like. I'm having trouble settling on a favorite. Right now I'm liking the desijn and broken arrow decks. I have a few others to try. I want to like faded spade but they are a shock compared to the rest. So it's slow getting those into the rotation. I'm going to try rotating broken arrows and desijn in the same game to get a vote this Friday.

 

[Colquhoun]

I love cards. Started collecting years ago, different prints on paper stock. I am new to the different kinds of plastic. Had kem paisleys for something like 8 years before they warped on me. I think i left them in my trailer. So my fault. I'm surprised that copag don't get much love. Maybe because I don't run a game every week like I would like. I'm having trouble settling on a favorite. Right now I'm liking the desijn and broken arrow decks. I have a few others to try. I want to like faded spade but they are a shock compared to the rest. So it's slow getting those into the rotation. I'm going to try rotating broken arrows and desijn in the same game to get a vote this Friday.

I agree about the Broken Arrow cards. I have been a KEM fanboy for a while, always finding that the thinner flex cards were easier to shuffle.
The Broken Arrow cards are now my favorite. Not as flexy as KEM, but for me, they’re hands-down the easiest shuffle of any card yet.

 

[xdan]

Haven't gotten a chance to respond to your PM, sorry about that! But anyway, I was only able to get a hold of some of the PVC Aristo Club Poker jumbo stock. I'll PM you the contact information of my Matsui contact, but I don't think anyone has been able to get an acetate stock group buy together. Similar to GPI only selling Paulson chips to casinos, same thing with Angel and their acetate stock. They only will sell that to casinos as fat as I know. Some Australian casinos have had Angel acetate stock, right @xdan , @davislane ?

Correct

crown Melb use acetate

I had a set of acetate bridge standard many moons ago. They were very nice.

 

[VMR911]

Oh. Darn. No KEM cards. Shoot. How will I ever play again....

Oye... back to your hole alright?!

 

[Josh Kifer]

Oye... back to your hole alright?!

 

[VMR911]

Yeah, that's right.

 

[VMR911]

It seems like Kems are starting to go out of stock in many of the online stores and are super expensive on Amazon. Anyone know what's going on?

Are there any cellulose acetate cards that are a reasonable alternative? I'm not a fan of Copags (too easily damaged, poor colors on artwork) nor Faded Spades (too thick and hard to peel / shuffle).

If you really want KEMs - I'm sure you can still buy them here: https://www.kem.com/

 

[Josh Kifer]

Yeah, that's right.

 

[DMack]

I agree about the Broken Arrow cards. I have been a KEM fanboy for a while, always finding that the thinner flex cards were easier to shuffle.
The Broken Arrow cards are now my favorite. Not as flexy as KEM, but for me, they’re hands-down the easiest shuffle of any card yet.

I liked the feel of the Broken Arrows, but my players had a hard time distinguishing suits because of the artwork. Granted, my group is a lot of blind, old timers, but I would be lying if I said there weren’t multiple times I had to double check to make sure what I thought I saw.

 

[grandmeme]

I liked the feel of the Broken Arrows, but my players had a hard time distinguishing suits because of the artwork. Granted, my groups is a lot of blind, old timers, but I would be lying if I said there weren’t multiple times I had to double check to make sure what I thought I saw.

I may be mistaken, but I think Justin will be making some small changes to the card fonts for the next run to fix some of these issues. @justincarothers

 

[Chippy18]

You should try the Copags made in Belgium. Not too fancy of a design, but definitely different and more textured than the wearing, smelly PVC ones.

 

[Chippy18]

https://www.pokershop.nl/12-pack-copag-playing-cards-2-jumbo-index.html

 

[w00zie]

Yea, here they are in stock:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Modiano-...1b-a256-d02b1e218078&pd_rd_i=B0017V7P54&psc=1

About $37 in USD shipped to US.

• Made from 100% Acetate (as Original KEMs)

Does this mean the new Platinums will use the same card stock as KEM? (ie prone to warping)

No, it’s a different stock. But in my experience Modianos often come with a slight bow from the vendor. I have not experienced it getting worse over time though like with KEMs.

 

[davefr]

You should try the Copags made in Belgium. Not too fancy of a design, but definitely different and more textured than the wearing, smelly PVC ones.

Interesting. How does the printing hold up? Copag's handle pretty good, it's just that crappy ink fading problem.

 

[davefr]

I may be mistaken, but I think Justin will be making some small changes to the card fonts for the next run to fix some of these issues. @justincarothers

I liked the feel of the Broken Arrows, but my players had a hard time distinguishing suits because of the artwork. Granted, my group is a lot of blind, old timers, but I would be lying if I said there weren’t multiple times I had to double check to make sure what I thought I saw.

The more I play with the Broken Arrows the more I like their handling. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the same Dal Negro card stock used by Desjgn. If someone's on a budget but wants to try almost a full spectrum of plastic cards the $27 eBay WSOP2011/2012 bundle along with the $2 BA dregs is a great deal. (ie soft KEMs, firm Fourniers and in between BAs)

 

[KHarp1]

@edwardstarcraft I believe fellow chipper @Machine has some Angel cards available. He had imported a large order and made them available to the members. Nice cards at a good price.

 

[Machine]

The Angel Aristo are PVC, and they are very close to the feel of old school KEMs, they are one of my favorite.

The locals running charity and underground games found out about them, and bought the last 40 decks I had. I've kept some for myself, but I don't plan on selling any more unless I was to re-order 2 boxes (288 more decks)

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

The Angel Aristo are PVC, and they are very close to the feel of old school KEMs, they are one of my favorite.

The locals running charity and underground games found out about them, and bought the last 40 decks I had. I've kept some for myself, but I don't plan on selling any more unless I was to re-order 2 boxes (288 more decks)

Congrats! Had to be a good day when they came knocking. Loved those cards, felt great.

 

[CUORE3]

If you plan to buy Aristos from Matsui, this is the last moment. Once the stock is finished, they will sell Dal Negro

 

[JMC9389]

If you plan to buy Aristos from Matsui, this is the last moment. Once the stock is finished, they will sell Dal Negro

Did not know this. Are they going to sell a proprietary pattern or commerically available decks?

 

[CUORE3]

Did not know this. Are they going to sell a proprietary pattern or commerically available decks?

I don't know this detail

 

[JMC9389]

I don't know this detail

I suppose we'll see once they're made available...

 

[Chippy18]

Interesting. How does the printing hold up? Copag's handle pretty good, it's just that crappy ink fading problem.

Frankly I have not played a deck to its limits, but Cartamundi produces them in Belgium. Knowing their high reputation on the older Cartamundi casino cards, I find it hard to suspect any flaws in the materials and quality checks.

The 4 copag decks I bought are more textured, a wee bit stiffer, not smelly and better/deeper printing.

They're around 10 euros for a deck regardless of 4 corner or standard/jumbo index.

 

[JMC9389]

Frankly I have not played a deck to its limits, but Cartamundi produces them in Belgium. Knowing their high reputation on the older Cartamundi casino cards, I find it hard to suspect any flaws in the materials and quality checks.

The 4 copag decks I bought are more textured, a wee bit stiffer, not smelly and better/deeper printing.

They're around 10 euros for a deck regardless of 4 corner or standard/jumbo index.

Careful about Copags.

A significant majority of the Copag cards available commercially are manufactured in Brazil and not in Belgium. There are certain Copags made in Belgium but they're only available on eBay or European poker supply shops that'll ship to the US but not cheaply.

The Belgian Copag PVC stock is much nicer feeling than the smelly Brazilian stock.