Is this angling? (1 Viewer)

[fishsaybloop]

Hi folks,

Had an interesting discussion at a home game recently and wanted to get some thoughts whether this is angling.

Casual friends $1/2 game, stacks are $500 - $1k.

Heads up to the river and Villain makes a $50 (3/4 pot) bet. As hero (not me) is deciding to make the call, V makes a comment "don't worry its only $50". At which point, hero snap calls and V turns over the nut flush.

H makes a comment saying that V's statement is angling and in a 'less friendly' game would get called out / penalised.

What do you think?

 

[LeLe]

That’s called speech play IMHO, and not really angling to gain an unfair advantage

 

[KHarp1]

I don't see angling, if anything he was warning him that he's got the nuts and it's only going to cost you $50.

 

[rusmon]

I wouldn’t consider that to be angling. Fully above board in my eyes.

 

[LeLe]

I don't see angling, if anything he was warning him that he's got the nuts and it's only going to cost you $50.

Haha, i liked the way you think. I going to use that quote next time

 

[Rhodeman77]

Agree with the above. Speech play on the river is part of poker. It is added information for the Hero to decipher. If he had made the correct fold from V talking would he be upset that he saved the river bet?

 

[fishsaybloop]

Hero explained that he felt that V was trying to imply weakness and it was only $50 to call my bluff.

 

[rusmon]

"Of course I lied. It's poker, Phil."

 

[NotDunric]

Hero explained that he felt that V was trying to imply weakness and it was only $50 to call my bluff.

Yeah, this is just run of the mill speech play. I’d be curious what kind of things Hero would find acceptable to say during a hand (presuming heads up) if this is something they’d consider below board.

 

[TheOffalo]

No poll? Not an angle.

 

[OfficerLovejoy]

Hero explained that he felt that V was trying to imply weakness and it was only $50 to call my bluff.

Well yes, that is what speech play on the river is for.
Totally fine to try to talk your opponent into a decision if it's heads up and you're one of the two parties still involved in the hand.

 

[cpac54]

Definitely not an angle in my book. Just good old speech play.

 

[kmccormick100]

Definitely not an angle. Heads up in a cash game you can pretty much say anything you want.

If he had said “it’s only $50” after putting out $150 or something, that would be angling…

 

[LotsOfChips]

Similar thing happened in an online tournament recently. Villain posts in the chat window that “it’s time to go, who wants my chips?” and then raises all in pre.

Three suckers bite, and he shows KK and takes down a pretty substantial pot.

I’ve seen this movie before, so I wasn’t one of the players busting out because of it. But yeah, part of the game IMO. It’s poker, deception is expected, everyone is a liar.

 

[fishsaybloop]

Yup that was my stance as well as there was no illegal or grey area behavior. But H was pretty adamant it was.

 

[glynn]

Hero has no idea what angling is. Don't even entertain the idea.

Hero explained that he felt that V was trying to imply weakness and it was only $50 to call my bluff.

The baby is petitioning for a free pot. That's more of an angle than anything you did.

 

[fishsaybloop]

Haha yeah H was pretty quiet the rest of the game. Mission accomplished

 

[DMack]

Given your name and thread title, I thought we were going to have another fishing thread going! This is angling:

 

[fishsaybloop]

Given your name and thread title, I thought we were going to have another fishing thread going! This is angling:

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“don’t worry it’s just a worm”

 

[Colquhoun]

 

[grandmeme]

Actually V "feigning weakness" by talking usually means he has the nuts lol. This holds true for most poker players. Especially in a SG home game . Makes it easy to get away. Not an angle IMO, rather the opposite.

 

[Machine]

I always let them know… if my mouth was moving, I was probably lying…

 

[mipevi]

Not an angle, hero is prolly just upset he fell for it.

 

[surfik]

"I swear I didn't look..."

 

[TheRealTeddyKGB]

+1 NOT an angle. I love it when people start talking...

 

[surfik]

+1 NOT an angle. I love it when people start talking...

You asking "What do you have?" and sometimes they tell you

 

[Mr Winberg]

Not angling. Not even close!

 

[LowerBama1714]

I’m pretty sure I’ve heard eric persson use this exact line when he had skwadoosh…but don’t quote me on that.

He might have said…”don’t worry, it’s only $350k”.

 

[MeridianFC]

That ain’t angling’, that there is poker.

 

[arch3r]

Angling is when you purposely bend/break a stated/known rule to gain an advantage. Talking when you are HU is not against any rule. So unless what you say indicates or implies an action, which you are then held to, chat away.