Tourney How would you handle it? (1 Viewer)

[Pinball]

Following happend:

Tourney 6 Players left, 3 were paid

Player A raises 3 BB with JJ, Player B calls from the BB

Flop: 923 rainbow. Player B check Player A bets 1/2 Pot B calls

Turn: Q Player B shoves all in

Ok, till now nothing special but than Player A asked B if he had hit the Q. Player A asked not for getting a read he expected a true answer. Player B was on a bluff but knew when he says "yes" A will fold but when he says nothing or no than A calls. So B said Yes. A asked do you show the cards. B again yes, A folded his jj and B showed as promised his bluff with AK.

Some people were disappointed that B was lying. How would you act in position of B?

Personally I think that the question of A is unfair when expecting a true answer. B would give A an adventage with the true answer that others dont have. Secondly I would never expect the truth from a player during a tournament.

 

[jbutler]

i would ask anyone who had a problem with B's answer to explain why what he did was wrong. if they didn't realize by the end of their explanation that they are fucking mental then i would feel sorry for them and encourage them to stick around as long as their money allows.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

i would ask anyone who had a problem with B's answer to explain why what he did was wrong. if they didn't realize by the end of their explanation that they are fucking cognitively disabled then i would feel sorry for them and encourage them to stick around as long as their money allows.

FTFY gotta be PC.

Also, yeah I'm a pretty honest person away from the poker table, but you can be damn sure I'm lying my ass off or at least trying to not accurately portray what I have as often as possible while playing. That is what poker is all about, trying to make your opponents think you are weak when you are strong, and vice versa.

 

[slisk250]

^ This. He said he would show. He did. I got no problem even if I had lost.

 

[phaze12]

if you re going to take a poker player at his word (in a hand) then i hope you dont like money, cuz u aint gonna have yours too long.

 

[BGinGA]

Exactly -- I have no problem if he doesn't show, either. Not binding, and anybody that believes anything that another player says during the heat of a poker table battle is a head-in-clouds optimist, at best.

 

[MikesDad]

LOL that people thought B should tell the truth... welcome to poker

 

[MaxB]

How would you act in position of B?

I would ask myself....What would Brian Boitano do?

 

[Quicksilver-75]

Ask no questions, tell no lies. It's just plain stupid to ask someone what they're holding/representing. A bluff is a lie albeit non-verbal. Though, it is still a lie. I'm just curious why people would be disappointed he verbally bluffed/lied?
Fuck 'em.
It's why calling a speculated bluff "is keeping them honest"

 

[Mental Nomad]

Some people were disappointed that B was lying. How would you act in position of B?

I would say, "oooooooh, I understand. You guys didn't realize that we're playing poker."

Truth be told, Player B did the most honest and stand-up think one can expect at a poker table - they showed when they said they would show, even though they didn't have to.

The whole "A gets an advantage from a true answer" goes out the window, because if anybody in poker actually expects a true answer in that kind of situation, they'll be a hopeless loser and this "advantage" won't add up to squat.

Honestly, his bet said, "I've got queens" louder than any words. So his bet and his words represented queens - was his bet a lie? No. It was poker.

 

[BGinGA]

Interesting related question on CT right now.... if player B says he will show, and player A folds, is player B obligated to show? Or is that just more poker deception at it's finest?

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/threads/required-to-show-or-not.91038/

To me, it's just poker, and anybody that believes anything said during a hand is a fool. Apparently not, to many of the responders over there.....

 

[catalyzeme]

Interesting related question on CT right now.... if player B says he will show, and player A folds, is player B obligated to show? Or is that just more poker deception at it's finest?

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/threads/required-to-show-or-not.91038/

To me, it's just poker, and anybody that believes anything said during a hand is a fool. Apparently not, to many of the responders over there.....

I don't think they are obligated (by rule) to show. But if they don't show, I believe the rest of the table is then obligated to heckle them mercilessly. Possibly the heckling will be added a house rule.

 

[Quicksilver-75]

I could agree with the whole showing debate. Asking to show and agreeing to is more of a gentlemanly request. If you don't want to show, don't. If you say you will show and don't then I can see why some people would get upset. Because to me, it does nothing than just irritates (tilts) a person. But therein lies another mechanism of good poker technique..I guess it comes down to who's asking.

 

[MoscowRadio]

 

[jbutler]

Interesting related question on CT right now.... if player B says he will show, and player A folds, is player B obligated to show? Or is that just more poker deception at it's finest?

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/threads/required-to-show-or-not.91038/

To me, it's just poker, and anybody that believes anything said during a hand is a fool. Apparently not, to many of the responders over there.....

hell no they don't have to show. lol at all the hand holding people want in poker. what happened to caveat emptor? sometimes i'm astonished that people who think that way made it far enough in life to be able to buy into any poker game.

next thing you know i'm going to have to start giving a trigger warning before i move in.

 

[CHP TD]

Interesting related question on CT right now.... if player B says he will show, and player A folds, is player B obligated to show? Or is that just more poker deception at it's finest?

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/threads/required-to-show-or-not.91038/

To me, it's just poker, and anybody that believes anything said during a hand is a fool. Apparently not, to many of the responders over there.....

to me this is nothing like the post on cp. totally different imo.

the expectation for the question to be honestly answered. Expectatios are pre meditated resentments.

Player A had all the info he needed to make the correct call. 1 he got the guy talking 2 Player A was told plya a was WEAK

Player A is just plian uneducated. Above all weak is strong and strong is weak. If he has any idea he wold just push all in.

No sympathy for player A. He is a sucker. He got out played by the oldest trick in the book and if he had any idea at all he would have made the right play.

can you invite him to my game on Friday?

 

[Pinball]

Sorry guys but be showed his hand. He just had not the Q as he had said before.

 

[Numerobis]

What if B did not lie and said "No"? Would player A call nonetheless? Because B could have an overpair, 2 pairs, or a set and still beat his JJ

This is poker!

 

[Pinball]

What if B did not lie and said "No"? Would player A call nonetheless? Because B could have an overpair, 2 pairs, or a set and still beat his JJ

This is poker!

Yes, Player A would have called. (says all about the level of my home game)

 

[QuiQuog]

Does this game have a "keep your promise" rule? Were any fingers crossed when he declared he had a queen? If he said "I pinky swear I have the queen" then that would be binding, right? Bottom line is, don't play poker unless you've had your nap time.

 

[guinness]

US card rooms don't allow you to talk about your hands but lol home games.

For my home games, its ESPECIALLY encouraged to do what player B did. If I were player A who folded JJ, I'd only be disappointed that player B actually had outs. I'd respect him more if he was drawing dead by tabling something like 78os.

 

[bergs]

US card rooms don't allow you to talk about your hands but lol home games.

For my home games, its ESPECIALLY encouraged to do what player B did. If I were player A who folded JJ, I'd only be disappointed that player B actually had outs. I'd respect him more if he was drawing dead by tabling something like 78os.

US card rooms will allow you to talk about your hands in cash games heads-up. Never in tourneys, and not in cash games with 3 players or more in the hand still.

 

[QuiQuog]

US card rooms will allow you to talk about your hands in cash games heads-up. Never in tourneys, and not in cash games with 3 players or more in the hand still.

Didn't Jamie Gold talk about his hands throughout his WSOP win? God I hated that guy.

 

[Shaggy]

Didn't Jamie Gold talk about his hands throughout his WSOP win? God I hated that guy.

That is a relatively new rule that came about after Jamie Gold was such a douche. It is referred to as the Jamie Gold rule.

 

[jbutler]

That is a relatively new rule that came about after Jamie Gold was such a douche. It is referred to as the Jamie Gold rule.

but he's the best bluffer of all time.

and therefore it occurs to me that most likely he's a super nice and humble guy who has been running the douche canoe bluff for damn near a decade now.

 

[Racer96]

All you guys lying and stuff in poker are never invited to play in my games. I'm an honourable reputable fellow, and such actions are not to be encouraged in my presence.

Mike

 

[Mr Tree]

All you guys lying and stuff in poker are never invited to play in my games. I'm an honourable reputable fellow, and such actions are not to be encouraged in my presence.

Mike

I would never lie while playing poker. Can't believe the poor character in exhibit here

 

[Racer96]

I would never lie while playing poker. Can't believe the poor character in exhibit here

Thank you , Mr Tree. You sir, are invited to play in any of my home games.

Mike

 

[Gear]

I've often said - and I mean this quite sincerely: There's no lying in poker. It's not possible, if you define lying to be saying something false when you are expected to be telling the truth.

In poker, you are not allowed to lie -- for example, when someone asks you how much you have left in your stack, whether you saw that flashed card on a possible misdeal, whether you've posted your ante yet, etc. You are expected to be honest and truthful for the integrity of the game.

But during the actual play of the hand, there can be no such thing as lying because there should be zero expectation of being told the truth (or at least, no more expectation for the truth than an untruth.)

Splitting hairs? Yes. But someone who gets upset because he chose to believe the given answer, has completely missed the point of asking the question.

 

[Mr Tree]

I've often said - and I mean this quite sincerely: There's no lying in poker. It's not possible, if you define lying to be saying something false when you are expected to be telling the truth.

In poker, you are not allowed to lie -- for example, when someone asks you how much you have left in your stack, whether you saw that flashed card on a possible misdeal, whether you've posted your ante yet, etc. You are expected to be honest and truthful for the integrity of the game.

But during the actual play of the hand, there can be no such thing as lying because there should be zero expectation of being told the truth (or at least, no more expectation for the truth than an untruth.)

Splitting hairs? Yes. But someone who gets upset because he chose to believe the given answer, has completely missed the point of asking the question.

This is actually 100% my feelings on the matter. It's a game of deception.