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Game of Thrones (HBO Series - NO BOOK SPOILERS) (2 Viewers)

I agree that we should have lost more main characters for sure.

I didnt notice that both dragons survived in the teaser, but just re watched it. Cercie must have a bunch of scorpions by now. You would think it would be a priority to build as many of them as possible.

Yeah the almost deaths of the main characters were kinda rediculuous. At the end it was basically just the main characters left fighting on piles of bodies.

I dont know if bran warging into the ravens actually did anything. I mean the knight king always knows where he is anyway right? Why did he even warg around? He didnt tell anyone what he was seeing or provide any insite on how to turn the tide. You would think be could be put to alot better use. Maybe someone relaying messages from him to someone else on troop positions etc. I dont know he just seems to be useless. Maybe he could warg into a pack of wolves or a fucking bear or something and join the fight a little.

Also yeah I noticed that about the blue eyes comment. And what do we say to the God of death comment. That was great when arya killed the night king.

Dont get me wrong I loved the episode. I just like bitching about things that could have been done better.
 
Theon and jorah went out like badasses, so did the little mormont, which I really liked.

I really like Sam's character, but I kinda wanted him to die by the end of the episode. I mean come on. Theres no way he should have lived through all that.

Also how did sir Davos live Lol. He keeps claiming to have not a shred of combat ability, but always lives through everything.

I cant wait to see what happens with Braun. I cant really see him killing either of the lannisters, but well see.

I also want to see theon's sister get back into the battle, and cant wait to see the battle between the hound and the mountain. Still alot to look forward to.
 
Who else was screaming at the TV to use the dragons more and screaming at Dani when she let half the dead army climb on her main dragon while she just sat there? For a minute there I thought for sure both dragons were going to die and that the army of the dead was going to win. I think it was a great episode but the way they hyped this battle up for 8 seasons just to have Arya stab the night King in the first battle blew my mind. I'm so used to the good guys loosing in GoT it was kind of surprising that she just ran up from no where and stabbed him ending the battle. I hope we get more back story and answers regarding the night King and 3 eye raven.
 
I enjoyed that and there was tonnes of suspense.

The filming for the first 30 minutes was godawful and I couldn't see shit, even on an 85" tv.

The battle plan was also completely stupid. Why did they not have firepits set up all over the place. I've have built a double firepit most around the castle, strewn tar everywhere and armed everyone with flaming arrows.

In a battle where every man you lose becomes an undead soldier for your enemy, the entire plan should be centred around losing the fewest possible men. Just dumb.

That being said, I loved it and Arya killing him at the end was cool.

Leanna Mormont went out in the most badass way ever though. They just needed a couple more characters to die.

By my count these people died
Edd Tollet
Leanna Mormont
Jorah
Beric
Theon
Melisandre

Did grey worm die? I couldn't tell.

I think Brienne should have died and at least most of the people in the crypt.
 
Perthmike said:
I enjoyed that and there was tonnes of suspense.

The filming for the first 30 minutes was godawful and I couldn't see shit, even on an 85" tv.

The battle plan was also completely stupid. Why did they not have firepits set up all over the place. I've have built a double firepit most around the castle, strewn tar everywhere and armed everyone with flaming arrows.

In a battle where every man you lose becomes an undead soldier for your enemy, the entire plan should be centred around losing the fewest possible men. Just dumb.

That being said, I loved it and Arya killing him at the end was cool.

Leanna Mormont went out in the most badass way ever though. They just needed a couple more characters to die.

By my count these people died
Edd Tollet
Leanna Mormont
Jorah
Beric
Theon
Melisandre

Did grey worm die? I couldn't tell.

I think Brienne should have died and at least most of the people in the crypt.
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I agree the that the beginning of the fighting was very hard to see. I think they do that on purpose to show how chaotic and confusing battle is to everyone involved. It annoyed me too though.

Greyworm lived as far as I could see. Jon passed him fighting trying to get to Bran and I didn’t him die after that point.
 
Rhodeman77 said:
I agree the that the beginning of the fighting was very hard to see. I think they do that on purpose to show how chaotic and confusing battle is to everyone involved. It annoyed me too though.

Greyworm lived as far as I could see. Jon passed him fighting trying to get to Bran and I didn’t him die after that point.
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Yeah that was definitely their plan, but they went way over the top with it lol. They ruined a bit portion of the episode.

It also seems a bit of a letdown to build up the white walkers for 8 seasons, only for them to be defeated in 1 episode.
 
Do not like that what we have been told was the real threat came and went in essentially one episode. From the very first scene of the show, the walkers were the main enemy and the biggest mystery, nothing was answered and they are now gone without really changing much of anything outside of making the army that will fight Cercei smaller.

Do not agree with making the night king a mini boss and Cercei the main one.
 
Dragons should have been sent out ahead first, to lay down a firestorm on the front wave of whitewalkers.... meaning those behind them would have to pass through fires of bodies to advance, essentially reducing their numbers before any direct confrontation with humans at all.

Sending the calvary -- flaming swords or not (which was admittedly cool) -- charging directly into a massive wall of advancing whitewalkers was possibly the worst tactical military decision in all of history.
 
Oh yeah, and put your troops INSIDE the castle to defend, not outside

Plus what's with, like 3 people defending the battlements when the walkers are clambering up the walls? Just terrible tactics all around
 
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Thoughts in the spoiler for any who haven't seen it.
I thought that scene were you slowly saw the swords go out was perfect, I had never seen a scene like that and it built tension big time. You went from, these guys aren't going to make it, but they will do some damage, to holy shit, they got extinguished quickly.

Arya killing the night king was perfect. She spent year becoming invisible, killing for the faceless god. Her skills were reinforced with the study scene, which was also perfect. Everything she did in her whole life led to that moment.

Also, does anyone think that Jon dropping his sword and screaming at the dragon was him accepting his fate and giving up? Normally he would go down swinging, has he been broken?
 
sem0030 said:
Do not agree with making the night king a mini boss and Cercei the main one.
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Meh. It feels a little anticlimactic in the moment, but I’m ok with it. Yeah, the Night King is the big bad and the existential threat etc, but he’s also...boring. Cersei is the far more interesting character, and has complicated relationships with our remaining heroes. Would much rather they close the show dealing with that.
 
GoT came up at my last game, and I said to the guys that I doubted they’d kill off more than minor/secondary characters in Ep. 3—maybe one big one—for the simple reason that they have three episodes to go after that.

Shoulda put money on my prediction.

Now I’m just hoping that Ep. 4 is more than just 60-70 minutes of funerals and weeping.
 
So basically the good guys' plan was to put 2/3 of their stack in blind on the first hand—no peeking—then play passively for the next hour in hopes of getting paid if/when they caught a one-outer.
 
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Rhodeman77 said:
We will have another build up episode before the big battle for Kings Landing. Then a wrap up episode in 6.
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I was totally wrong. I really thought the night king was going to fly down to king's landing this episode and the final battle would extend into the next episode at least.

The showrunners clearly don't understand that wars often contain multiple battles. That or they blew their whole budget on CGI effects to blur all of the filming and couldnt afford to keep it going for any longer.
 
I also thought the Night King was going down south. Divide and conquer with the individual White Walker Generals controlling 5-6 individual factions of the army. But no, Everyone link to the Night King. Let's put our only hope for winning the war right up front.

Clearly, either bad military decisions were made on all sides, or the writers have never played a single Avalon Hill wargame.
 
msuroo said:
Meh. It feels a little anticlimactic in the moment, but I’m ok with it. Yeah, the Night King is the big bad and the existential threat etc, but he’s also...boring. Cersei is the far more interesting character, and has complicated relationships with our remaining heroes. Would much rather they close the show dealing with that.
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The story is called A Song of Fire and Ice which would be hard to argue is anything but dragons or the red religion vs white walkers. They could have made the NK a ton more interesting with 20 more minutes devoted to his background this season or last season but clearly once they came off the books they wanted it to focus on the existing characters. The book alludes to Azor Ahai, Light Bringer, and a whole host of other things related to Fire vs Ice but just not where the show wanted to go.

The list of who died was longer than I thought but I don't buy that a dozen main/secondary characters should live cause there's 3 more episodes left. People find big character deaths very interesting (the Departed/Red Wedding) and I'd argue the plot/story line could have gone on perfectly fine (obviously based on what we think will happen) with the deaths of anyone like: Sansa, Brienne, Davos, Tourmond, Varys and even maybe one other main character. Not saying it ruined the episode but I think they could have risked a few more deaths and gotten rewarded for it.
 
Poker Zombie said:
Clearly, either bad military decisions were made on all sides, or the writers have never played a single Avalon Hill wargame.
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Got to check these games out I guess... I love strategy war games.

There was a reddit pre-4th episode about the battle plan and how fucked up it was solely based on people playing Total War games. Hilarious to say the least.
 
ReallyGoodUsername said:
Got to check these games out I guess... I love strategy war games.

There was a reddit pre-4th episode about the battle plan and how fucked up it was solely based on people playing Total War games. Hilarious to say the least.
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Total War AI is trash though. Easy to lure and smash in the flanks or get enemy troops to expose their rear to javelin or archer fire.
 
ReallyGoodUsername said:
The story is called A Song of Fire and Ice...
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The books are called A Song of Ice and Fire. The showrunners have always had a tumultuous relationship with the fantasy elements of the story, and especially so once they surpassed the source material. What does the Night King want? How do Bran’s powers work? How does the faceless assassin magic work? Does Drogon have some sort of fuel gauge or can Dany just keep shouting Dracarys forever? These are all super interesting questions to me, but the showrunners have shown no interest in addressing any of them. Which is fine, it’s still a great TV show, but it’s a TV show which is clearly at its strongest when dealing with its human relationships (aka people talking in rooms) as opposed to the more fantastical stuff. It’s why I liked last week’s episode so much, and it’s also why I’d just as soon get the NK stuff over with and move on to Cersei, who has always been one of the most interesting characters on the show. Do I wish the show could have done the fantasy stuff better? Of course, but given the course that it has taken, I’d rather it finish strong with the stuff it is good at. YMMV obviously.
 
Anthony Martino said:
Total War AI is trash though. Easy to lure and smash in the flanks or get enemy troops to expose their rear to javelin or archer fire.
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:ROFL: :ROFLMAO: not saying it's realistic but it gives you the general concepts plus it's fairly hard to do if you never pause or slow down the game to move your troops around
 
msuroo said:
The books are called A Song of Ice and Fire. The showrunners have always had a tumultuous relationship with the fantasy elements of the story, and especially so once they surpassed the source material. What does the Night King want? How do Bran’s powers work? How does the faceless assassin magic work? Does Drogon have some sort of fuel gauge or can Dany just keep shouting Dracarys forever? These are all super interesting questions to me, but the showrunners have shown no interest in addressing any of them. Which is fine, it’s still a great TV show, but it’s a TV show which is clearly at its strongest when dealing with its human relationships (aka people talking in rooms) as opposed to the more fantastical stuff. It’s why I liked last week’s episode so much, and it’s also why I’d just as soon get the NK stuff over with and move on to Cersei, who has always been one of the most interesting characters on the show. Do I wish the show could have done the fantasy stuff better? Of course, but given the course that it has taken, I’d rather it finish strong with the stuff it is good at. YMMV obviously.
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Book the show is based on! :) They followed it so closely for S1-5 up to a ton of the dialogue (which also imo fell off right after S5). NK was never in the books (S6 we first saw him) and I get they're going to diverge but I don't think their failure was the direction they went but their story telling.

I'm not saying they needed to explain every magical detail - they barely touched up any of actually - just that they missed out on making the NK more than a 2 dimensional character despite focusing so much of the show on him/the white walkers as this giant, historical, imminent, world ending threat, that has been there for 8 seasons.
 

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